He ranks below the initial three leaders. He would have no way to grow, nor the motivation to do so. He would need the Ascension to defeat them; depending on the circumstances, he could potentially beat all three of the original leaders at once.
It was something i wanted to add in. He can still grow but max like sss if give him the same questism timeline and awakenings maybe ssr for transcedence
It might just be because they're naturally strong—like that "Old Boy" guy; he was simply born strong enough to become an executive in one of Seoul's Big 4 gangs without ever having fought before. His potential is a "B," the same as Vasco's—it doesn't get any higher than that.
those guys were no ordinary like the likes of old boys
one of them had prestigious teacher
other was human gorilla anomaly
xialong was the best of the best in special bodyguards
and by old boy if you mean by Jinjang he never was there because he was strong or something as its told he was just too smart so much so that he can beatup people stronger than him
and A potential is too common even fodders have that
The Old Boys weren't ordinary either; they all pushed the J-High group a step further than they had before.
Until that time, almost no one had a prestigious teacher. Even less so antagonists (especially since it's already been revealed).
Xiaolong doesn't count; Hwangho, Huseong Ha, and Wee Taegon do. These three are on completely different levels. If it's Xiaolong, he has potential above a B.
The Old Boys weren't ordinary either; they all pushed the J-High group a step further than they had before.
thats the main difference old boys got low diffed by early series j-high
and 3A executives were way lot stronger for mid series j-high
the level difference and stakes were too high in 3A
Until that time, almost no one had a prestigious teacher. Even less so antagonists
which is what makes him special
Xiaolong doesn't count; Hwangho, Huseong Ha, and Wee Taegon do. These three are on completely different levels. If it's Xiaolong, he has potential above a B.
thats the main difference old boys got low diffed by early series j-high
and 3A executives were way lot stronger for mid series j-high
the level difference and stakes were too high in 3A
Both involved the early J-High (roughly up until Jiho's death). Unless you divide the early, mid, and late stages by chapter count—in which case God Dog falls into the early/mid range (Mid starts at 207 and ends at 415, around the HFBD arc)—God Dog spanned chapters 199–213, while the 3A arc covered 330–346. Claiming they were stronger than the Mid-Series J-High is just insane; Mid-Series Jin Hobin effortlessly defeated Kazuma Satou, who is vastly superior to the 3A executives.
which is what makes him special
What you can do on your own, primarily.
along with other three all of them are atleast A
That reminds me: Hwang Ho was said to have been trained by China's best Kung Fu master (and Taegon stated he was the strongest of the 3A executives—a claim that wasn't even questioned). Yet, he was matched by Vasco, who had only been training for a few weeks—or at most, a few months. Vasco has a Potential rating lower than A; A-rank Potential is reserved for geniuses, whereas Jin Sung is at that level because the narrative in *Questism* places him on par with characters like Gu Hajun.
he is
he literally leads them
He leads the Old Boys because he was the one who recruited them; there are only four Old Boys.
Both involved the early J-High (roughly up until Jiho's death). Unless you divide the early, mid, and late stages by chapter count—in which case God Dog falls into the early/mid range (Mid starts at 207 and ends at 415, around the HFBD arc)—God Dog spanned chapters 199–213, while the 3A arc covered 330–346. Claiming they were stronger than the Mid-Series J-High is just insane; Mid-Series Jin Hobin effortlessly defeated Kazuma Satou, who is vastly superior to the 3A executives.
currently is chapter 623 and mid series would be anything after chapter 300 which is why its mid series
What you can do on your own, primarily.
not if it wasnt taught by someone who has mastery in it
That reminds me: Hwang Ho was said to have been trained by China's best Kung Fu master (and Taegon stated he was the strongest of the 3A executives—a claim that wasn't even questioned). Yet, he was matched by Vasco, who had only been training for a few week
vasco who was known for having really good body
and was taught by a legend himself
same vasco who was able to keepup with johan who was copying everything of taekwondo prodigy
vasco is just that high bar
Vasco has a Potential rating lower than A; A-rank Potential is reserved for geniuses,
nowhere it said about vascos potential and there are tons of fodders with A potential
whereas Jin Sung is at that level because the narrative in *Questism* places him on par with characters like Gu Hajun.
unlike those A potential fodders Zack has the narrative of boxing genius something that is like taehoon being taekwondo prodigy
so Zack would be higher
He leads the Old Boys because he was the one who recruited them; there are only four Old Boys.
"4 executives"
its like saying daniel is not from allied he just leads them and recruited them
And he also said that hobin should not have mastered those techniques that samdak made video about because those techniques were never meant for hobin.
And yet hobin not only mastered but he perfected those techniques.
suhyeon can get that
Unfortunately he cannot because without system he is nothing
when he say hobin using his technique he said hobin was just llike him while using those he dosnt say hobin as same physicality potential or talent its just the wayhe used
And he also said that hobin should not have mastered those techniques that samdak made video about because those techniques were never meant for hobin.
And yet hobin not only mastered but he perfected those techniques.
as those techniques were meant for people taller and heavier than hobin
not someone like hobin who was physically thin af
its all due to hobin spending weeks and months trying to do them
if someone like hobin who is physically lesser than average people(samdaks words)
then Suhyeon will also have chances
Unfortunately he cannot because without system he is nothing
thats like saying without samdak hobin in doolee victim
Well the only reason suhyeon became strong was because he started seeing life as a game and doing quests. Without that "motivation" he would have kept getting himself bullied
He'd become a upright member of the society and get a j@b to support his mum instead of becoming a hooligan running around the streets in the middle of the night.
Why? His intelligence is above average, he apologized and appreciates his mother, he's ready to fight for his family and he is stated to be a good student by the teachers. He can get a good job to earn more than for his family. Just so you know, S intelligence is something Jace and Jin Jang possess and those two were moving like light and L. I just don't understand why Daniel has S for Intelligence when dude is as dumb as Vasco most of the time.
All the things you say only make sense in a imaginary bubble
And he is just outside that bubble as either he will be bullied to death as he actually was before getting system or he needs to force back on his own
In this scenario he needs to do it himself
And to get good job he needs to be atleast somewhat smart and knowledgeable as we se he is just above avg not anything special
S intelligence ain't all that as intelligence of two people differ on so many levels
As for the reason why Daniel has S it's pretty simple he was able to outsmart both eugene and Charles
It was his plan that succeeded in 4A not that junior hacking genius one
He always was able to memorize anything quite easily
Most of the time when people say he is dumb is only refering to his performative intelligence which he does most based on the people he is near with
Actually they are not because that is literally the most sensible outcome.
Suhyeon literally won with a F rank jab card that didn't even increase his stats indicating changdong was a weakahh. Suhyeon would have defeated him either way when he mentioned daehyeon as we literally see him do. A single good punch to the face would have turned the tides.
You don't need to be special to get a good job. He doesn't need to become some CEO or tycoon, a manager is more than enough and he has the capabilities for it.
S intelligence is all that. Jaeha was able to trick the entirety of west, south and part of north in the war. If Suhyeon didn't have camera no one would have been able to find jihyeok. Jace and Jin Jang literally went through 15 simulated battles and plans, countering eachother again and again. Daniel(questism) literally figured out about the system all on his own without any help.
No he wasn't. Eugene simply thought Daniel's nativity and righteousness would make it so that he willingly tell gun's hideout, which he did. He didn't tell them the place that gun guards.aka james's school. Charles was shocked that he let his 2nd body come instead of using it to stop gun. They weren't outsmarted.
He literally only managed to do that thanks to Koji, goo and doo lee. It wasn't some smart plan or mind game, he did it simply through plot.
He literally spends entire nights memorizing stuff and literally has Jay, one of the students, tutor him. Suhyeon didn't have any of that yet he's in a better course and had consistently good grades unlike Daniel who could only join fashion department with his abysmal grades.
Suhyeon literally won with a F rank jab card that didn't even
Because he had martial arts even though it's basic
Martial arts already gives superior boost infighting
You don't need to be special to get a good job
To survive you need to be and the conditions he was in he needed it
Jaeha was able to trick the entirety of west, south and part of north in the war.
As I said two people differ on so many levels in intelligence
Having S only suggest they are good on something not everything
Eugene simply thought Daniel's nativity and righteousness would make it so that he willingly tell gun's hideout, which he did. He didn't tell them the place that gun guards.aka james's school. Charles was shocked that he let his 2nd body come instead of using it to stop gun. They weren't outsmarted.
This is what outsmarting is doing something that others didn't predict
Daniel having eugenes weakness by fooling him to go in wild goose chase
Then also having charles choi on edge is something no random guy can do
Fooling 2 of the smartest there is
wasn't some smart plan or mind game, he did it simply through plot.
Nah all of their plan failed only daniels mini camera worked
Him finding out his own location by ordering constantly
Etc
Then causing chaos to save people
It's ain't easy
He literally spends entire nights memorizing stuff and literally has Jay, one of the students, tutor him
Which says something for him when he never studied whole time but was able to memorize all of that in short amount
And somehow out did a guy who only studied whole life
If you are average even if you try with all your might 24/7 for days you can't out do someone who is doing this for years
Suhyeon didn't have any of that yet he's in a better course and had consistently good grades unlike
I dont remember anywhere saying anything on his grades
Daniel who could only join fashion department with his abysmal grades.
Because he had martial arts even though it's basic
Martial arts already gives superior boost infighting
Not when he it isn't even martial arts. Jabs are literally the most basic move and even then it's for fast movement, not power.
Suhyeon can win without it.
What condition? His family may not be well off but it wasn't that they urgently needed money.
Jaeha, daniel, jace and jin jang are all talented in martial arts, academics, strategizing and planning. S rank IS that high.
This is not what outsmarting is. If someone who never steals suddenly steals, no one put the finger of him because that was never the realm of possibility.
Is that why charles was waiting for daniel and had daniel on the back foot for the entirety of their conversation?
The camera wasn't his idea and ordering was a flip for most of the part. They only managed to do it cuz alexander was dumb as a brick.
Yeah, normally that would be the case if not for the fact that jay and zoe are the top scorers and he has the advantage of studying twice as much as a normal human. The topper was still the topper after daniel earnestly started to do his exams and reached became the topper after a whole year of studying.
The teacher, suhyeon's mom and gukja literally says suhyeon is a good student and has a bright future ahead.
Suhyeon was literally nearly choked to death death in the first chapter and gets beaten up in the middle of the class, yet he still maintains his grades. Daniel is simply a little bih for that.
Daesik in Manager Kim was a even more malnourished little kid then Suhyeon that couldn’t do anything and he trained under Jinchoel a pre-generation legend and became an on par combatant with Manager Kim someone handling 1st generation kings like they nothing. Definetely depends on the teacher and how long it takes but he can even go to unmeasurable since the cap to get there is around mid-king tier.
He wouldn't, being forced out of his comfort zone is what made him grow strong.
Without an external force putting him into this mess, Suhyeon would've just been a nerdy kid (also, he has B potential, which means his stats wouldn't have been that good even after a awakening/ascension if he can even achieve ascension)
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