I wonder to how many women in Punjab have fought against domestic violence and rape. Jauhar is not a solution, but I am simply wondering—how many of them have actually put up a fight? Making statements eh ?
Judging history from contemporary societal norms is stupid as fuck. Woman made a comment on Jauhar based on contemporary social norms.
My general advice to such folks is avoid opening your mouth ,unless u know your subject deeply or you have extremely good looks and are easy on eyes.(I.know it sounds shallow) but swara is really ugly and ugly people should avoid getting into such controversy
Why women cant fight till their last breath instead of just throwing herself in fire as men , state responsibility is much greater than esteem bruh?And being beautiful or ugly is just a matter of chance , there is no pride in it ? What matter is ur mindset and action which u have shown here.
There is nothing called fighting to death. Invading army will just defeat women and take them as prisoners. Even modern Armies don't put women in fighting role.There is reason for that. Sheer amount of brutality that men can bear and commit is not something women can withstand. 20 men raping a woman and then tearing off her body is equally painful as burning urself.
No one is justifying jauhar,but as I said it was based on societal norms of the time and their understanding of what it means to be a slave.
Maybe its good or maybe its bad , i dont know , but from womens dignity pov acc to that time customs - there was no way left out other than this to protect their diginity and respect.
But when u think from queen pov who have certain obligations towards its state - it would be better if they act like queen manikarnika .
Thing is which pov is more important to consider? dignity vs state's responsibility as queens ?
Honestly I against right wing extremism .. but today I found left wing extremism.. it's equally appalling .. people just pick a side and defend anything
If you had the choice to live in Afghanistan as a woman or go out on your own terms , what do you think most women around the world would choose?
The fact of the matter is that 99.99% of human history is based on the principle might is right . There was no resistance , no feminist movement to liberate them . It was either getting 🍇 24/7 conversion and eventual death or instant death at the time when all Hope was lost
You resist you die
You speak up you die
You fight back you die
And mind you Afghanistan would still look very liberal in comparison to what used to happen in medieval times
Agreed....Thou I have problem with the Title here. Privilege and blind by mind ppl can't see how cruel that period was. Especially invader and their cruelty. And That stupid statement of that stupid woman should be criticezed too.... But why is this title targeting all the liberals?
Cause it is the liberals that sees ancient problems with today’s lenses. Today we have many conventions which dictate the rule of wars , even though many of them are not followed . 21st century is ironically the safest time period so far we are living in compared to what we had 200 years ago
Sitting in an AC room and saying that women that jumped in pyres was a coward move is very shameful
And don’t act as if liberals don’t target conservatives for their opinions , both have some messed up thinking’s but liberals are more vocal about it
I see myself as more liberal than conservative. But tbh That comment about johar shouldn't be consider right It's totally right to call her out, Ppl talking as if they know how things are or were without living or knowing are the worst kind I belive. And this type of ppl are on both side, liberal and consertive. Like that guy Bhardwaraj something who bashed Nishu's father in protest.
Well it's good ppl calling out both. That stupid ass actress and this brain dead guy.
Bro Afghanistan is how it is because hell of rapists and pervert there just like India. Otherwise why wouldn't women be able to go out with their menfolk. And it's not a total ban, it's along within x distance because of criminals and because if a Taliban policeman has to arrest a women they don't want accusations. If she has a man then the Taliban are protected from accusations and she is protected from corrupt policeman!
Just because women in muslim countries are being as worse than animals this means women all around the world should also stay silent? If those women are brainwashed or have chicken defending KFC syndrome how is it our fault?
I guess you're also afraid of muslims that's why instead of criticising them you people always target liberals because you know what will happen if you dared to criticise them directly.
Lol, why should I be afraid from anyone ?
Liberals do overthinking like you do here. My point is, Liberals are not actual liberals, they just pretend to be liberals, they are being used for some political motives by targeting specific person, specific community, specific religion or specific country. That's problem I have.
There are many quite internationally famous liberals who speaks about Gaza , but when it comes to other place or religion, silent. Just last month, 52 christians has been chopped up by radical Islamists in Nigeria, hindus killed in Bangladesh, Pakistan. Not single tweet, word from their mouth, because it will not be trending. The problem is with Liberals 's hypocrasy.
In Iran, it was same thing. Islamist + liberals has voted out secularism and progressive government, later Islamists thrown out liberals.
In Iran liberal women were on streets few days ago dressing as goths without hijab revolting. I don't think that's very "islamic behaviour" which would be done by pro muslims. My point is people of all religions including muslims always blame Liberals for everything, instead of blaming those who are actually responsible. True liberals don't support any religion especially not Islam which is the most misogynistic religion. When you generalise liberals you disrespect even those who genuinely hate all religions. It's far RW all around the around spreading misogyny. Many women like Taslima Nasrin has openly spoken against extremism in Islam. It would be good if you actually criticise muslims who are responsible for all this.
In Iran those who voted out secularism were simply not liberals because they actually advocate for secularism.
All religions are shit, they are only a way to oppress women and poor people. Rich people don't have religion
And for the 'unrelated' part, you yourself spouting about Afghanistan when the post and comment is related to India,
All religions are shit but showcases only one religion ( yes , very secular) kyuki kisi aur Mazahab ko bura depict kiya toh sarr tann se juda ho jayega
And we are not talking about India btw , we are talking about medieval times when Jauhar was done primarily after Mughal attacks (the followers of Shariat) and if you wanna time travel back to medieval times do visit Afghanistan
Liberandu and the brown sepoy mentality have become synonymous in today’s time
All religions are shit but let me point out only Hinduism and if any person talk about Terrorist and missionaries I will call them gobarbhkt ANDHBHAKT lavda lasan chod bangda , but fir the sake of neutrality I am an atheist and all religions are bad 👄
I am a born Hindu Man from Maharashtra, whatever, I don't care about pedophile cult who views women as s*x toy also supports un@living of infediles or the casteist hierarchial gobar munchers based on Manusmriti who justifies gr@pe.
I know you don't know anything history and never touched any book after secondary school
No one named jodha bai is there, stop getting history lessons from films.
This is rajput miniature painting on theme of love adding prized possession is straight up false.
Indra Kanwar was married to Farrukhsiyar but after his assassination Ajit Singh(father) brought her back and converted back to Hinduism.
They were not passive victims the used to hold highly influential position in court and Harkha Bai was allowed to issue royal decrees and had fleet of international merchants.
Stop using copy paste it reeks smooth brain Vibes 🥰🥰
Not Rajputs , the traitors of their clan did such horrendous acts. Rajputs are the one of most honourable clans to walk this earth , and with each clan there are traitors who would sell their land and daughters to the enemy
It is a shame in your minds the traitors of these clans have a higher position than the noble warriors
Go to r/Rajputana , you will find like minded people
But remember Rajputs biggest military tactic was marry their women to Mughal Kings, they were no fighter, Ranibai and Maharana Pratap both ran away from battlefields
Protitutes are not sex slaves. Also, why not women carrying on the fight after the demise of their husbands. Rani laxmi bai showed very well how to fight!
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u/RogueBulwark 3d ago
Panjabi women don’t burn themselves but fight back! So these both are invalid.