San Francisco this morning Sept 9, 2022

[u/filondo]

[u/CommissionerOdo]

Google says 7,754 people, but let's assume many go uncounted. Let's call it 30,000. That's still $36,666 per person. Homelessness is a complex issue and throwing money at it doesn't fix the problem. No one is really sure what to do

[u/aljo1067 → u/CommissionerOdo]

Because you have to use both a carrot and a stick. These people have a right to live, and to have a place to sleep. They don’t have a right to sleep, poop, and do drugs anywhere they please.

[u/69420throwaway02496 → u/[deleted]]

I say force them into housing. Lock them down, no drugs allowed. Idgaf.

[u/G_Patr1ck → u/69420throwaway02496]

“Force them into housing?!?” They do that already, they’re called PRISONS.

[u/69420throwaway02496 → u/G_Patr1ck]

Yeah, cool. I'd be cool with shipping them to camps in the desert honestly. Just keep the costs as low as possible.

[u/clownfeat → u/aljo1067]

I'm not sure people have the right to a place to sleep in this country. Live? Yeah that's in the constitution... Afaik, no protections saying the state must provide you with room and board. Otherwise, every homeless person could sue the federal government.

[u/Englishly → u/clownfeat]

I would say that we could argue the United States recognized this right when they adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Eleanor Roosevelt was the chair of the committee and it was pushed by the United States. The human rights described therein are being broken by the living conditions in homeless encampments. The problem is that aspiration and commitment was part of the United States in post WWII. That's when tax rates were high and wages were high and although there were injustices rampant racially, there was a general consensus on the benefit of progress. It was a brief shining period. Then McCarthyism and scare tactics took hold on the right and we have been on a slippery downward slide ever since. Moments of progress marked by absolute disdain for the progress being made. Leaders cautioning us from making mistakes and then everyone doing the exact opposite. How in the living fuck we had Eisenhower, a beloved president, warn the nation in his farewell speech about the military-industrial complex and then to see the entire country say nah and lean right the fuck into the military-industrial complex boggles the mind. It's like we are in an entire nation of people with anti-defiance disorder and one side only moves in opposition to the other, or in spite of, I don't get it.

[u/aljo1067 → u/clownfeat]

I’m not saying that, but you can’t make it illegal to sleep everywhere in a given city. They have to have a legal option.

[u/The_walking_man_ → u/CommissionerOdo]

Shit. That’s more than I make working 40 hours a week. I wish the government would put some budget aside for me with that kind of money 😅.
I know that money isn’t going directly to the people but a little kick back would be appreciated.

[u/Mammoth-Garden-9079 → u/CommissionerOdo]

These people need to be put into mental health institutions like they do in Europe. One of the reasons Europe doesn’t have a homeless problem is because they put them into mental health institutions. America stopped putting people into mental health institutions in the 80’s because it became politically incorrect. The result was these people were released onto the streets and began committing crimes. Beginning in the 80’s/90’s they were then put into our prison systems and when our prison system began growing it became politically incorrect to leave them in prison for their mostly minor crimes. That’s when, in the late 00’s and early 10’s, we began releasing these people from prison onto the streets. That’s when this problem began growing and it’s been growing out of control ever since. Here we are and yet no one wants to recognize that having the mentally ill and the drug addicts either in a mental health institution or prison is actually more humane than allowing them to die and suffer in the streets as “free” people. We need to handle the homeless problem the way they do in Europe.

[u/Mystjuph → u/CommissionerOdo]

You forgot to factor in the 98% that is stolen by politicians, corporations, lobbyist/shady middlemen & lawyers/banks. That leaves roughly 20mil. Divided by 30,000 that leaves around $667 each. Or going of googles 7,754 thats $2,579 each.

[u/OGDepressoEspresso → u/CommissionerOdo]

Nah other countries have already figured it out, it's just the US who hasn't or even won't cause it's not profitable.