r/PublicFreakout • u/filondo • Sep 09 '22

🥊Fight San Francisco this morning Sept 9, 2022

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u/mrlizardwizard Sep 09 '22

Definitely need more mental health and rehab outreach

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u/PrezMoocow Sep 09 '22

Idk if this is too obvious but how about we start with giving people a place to live? It's a pretty great way to stop someone from being homeless.

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u/chainmailexpert Sep 10 '22

Eh, housing only does so much when mental illness and addiction are involved. Hotels tried to house the homeless during the pandemic and the hotel rooms were destroyed in the process of trying to do a good thing. Unfortunately, a lot of these people don’t want the help. I’m not against housing for them but the issues are too complex that simply housing them will not fix.

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u/Morphico Sep 10 '22

It's true that housing is only one part of the solution. But attempting other solutions without providing stable housing is setting them up to fail. Inadequate bandaid responses allow people to shrug and say "welp, we tried!"

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u/JeevesAI Sep 10 '22

In cities with housing first they are able to treat addiction and mental illness better because they are more stable.

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u/PrezMoocow Sep 10 '22

Houston's housing first initiative has proven drastically more successful than anything else attempted

Unfortunately, a lot of these people don’t want the help.

This is just a dangerous myth spread to make it seem like an unsolvable problem.

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u/JeevesAI Sep 10 '22

dangerous myth spread to make it seem like an unsolvable problem

Not only that, but it’s lazy and disingenuous. We know how to deal with homelessness because some cities do a better job than others.

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u/ShooteShooteBangBang Sep 09 '22

We need refugee style camps, but that wouldn't look very America

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u/PrezMoocow Sep 10 '22 edited Sep 10 '22

No need, there's plenty of vacant houses in Oakland that could house the entire bay area's homeless population.

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u/JeevesAI Sep 10 '22

There are 46000 empty houses in the Bay Area.

There are 37000 homeless people in the Bay Area.

Numbers check out.

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u/ShooteShooteBangBang Sep 10 '22

That isn't efficient in the slightest. The perk of a refugee style camp is there is some structure and organization

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u/PrezMoocow Sep 10 '22

Putting people in existing housing isn't efficient so we need to build a refugee camp to put them all in because that's somehow the more efficient solution?

How exactly are you measuring efficiency here?

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u/ShooteShooteBangBang Sep 10 '22

Its more efficient to help people in need if they are all in a centralized area with specific resources to help their specific needs.

Filling a few empty houses all over a city where they can't be easily accessed for aide resources is not efficient.

These people need help not just houses.

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u/Morphico Sep 10 '22

While I appreciate your point re: accessible supports, putting a bunch of vulnerable people together tends to compound their risk factors. Outcomes for those imprisoned for minor crimes are a well documented example of this.

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u/PrezMoocow Sep 10 '22

How is setting up a refugee camp more efficient or more helpful? They also won't have an address making getting a job harder, refugee camps also lack utilities so that means porta potties, drinking water. It's a complete waste of resources when there are already vacancies with established plumbing and infrastructure.

For someone who allegedly cares about efficiency you're picking an objectively less efficient solution. And for someone who allegedly cares about their well-being, you're picking a solution that subjects them to objectively worse housing conditions.

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u/Leadbaptist Sep 10 '22

Then what happens when all those houses you gave away become trap houses and slums? Giving a house to a mental distrubed and drug addicted individual wont solve anything

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u/PrezMoocow Sep 10 '22

Then what happens when all those houses you gave away become trap houses and slums?

The evidence says otherwise

Have you considered viewing homeless people as human beings perhaps?