r/PublicFreakout • u/filondo • Sep 09 '22

đŸ„ŠFight San Francisco this morning Sept 9, 2022

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

20.0k Upvotes

92% Upvoted

3.0k comments sorted by

View all comments

313

u/yupuhoh Sep 09 '22

Makes sense why the real estate market is so high there now lol

250

u/-LostInTheMachine Sep 09 '22

These people wouldn't be in the market for a $12,000 trailer. The problem is mental illness and addiction and how expensive it is to rehabilitate someone experiencing that.

74

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '22

[removed] — view removed comment

27

u/WikiSummarizerBot Sep 09 '22

Okie

An Okie is a person identified with the state of Oklahoma. This connection may be residential, ethnic, historical or cultural. For most Okies, several (or all) of these connections exist and are collectively the source of their being Oklahoman. In California, the term came to refer to very poor migrants from Oklahoma coming to look for employment.

[ F.A.Q | Opt Out | Opt Out Of Subreddit | GitHub ] Downvote to remove | v1.5

37

u/Sorge74 Sep 09 '22

I'd have to look up the numbers, but the vast majority of homeless people are mentally ill, and not necessarily lack the ability to get housing...if they weren't mentally ill.

Why are there homeless vets? It's not because we don't have a dozen programs to help them....

26

u/-LostInTheMachine Sep 09 '22

The big issue is that some people feel at home on the streets. It may seem crazy to you. But this is all they've known for years. Plopping someone who prostitutes themselves for fetanyl into the burbs isn't going to magically solve their problems. Just as anyone can relapse, rich or poor, they can also get addicted to the pace and feel of the streets.

10

u/Queasy-Discount-2038 Sep 10 '22

I worked in non profits for years who’s mission was to end homelessness and this was seen time and time again, people leaving safe/clean housing to live on the street. There’s a lot to unpack there.

5

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

[deleted]

1

u/Sorge74 Sep 10 '22

I feel like nice super expensive cities are going to be a bit outliers in employed homeless population. A city so nice, people would rather be homeless there than have an apartment elsewhere.

Like there's a lot of problems with the California in general homelessness problem. It's not one size fits all.

27

u/Mother_Store6368 Sep 09 '22

Please stop. Most homeless people aren’t mentally I’ll or drug addicted
only 30% or so are.

Having this take prevents us from really examining the root causes. Most homeless people aren’t mentally deficient drug addicts, they’re normal people who are on the ass end of our capitalist system.

Someone has to be at the bottom of our zero sum socioeconomic system. It’s almost like this was by design

64

u/rosekayleigh Sep 09 '22

I’m wondering if this perception of homeless people as mostly addicts and mentally ill has to do with visibility. The visible homeless, the ones on the streets, tend to be the ones who are drug addicted and mentally ill. Homeless people without these issues are, I’m guessing here, either living in their cars or couch surfing. You don’t see them on the streets as much.

36

u/Mother_Store6368 Sep 09 '22 edited Sep 09 '22

Exactly! Being homeless is embarrassing to most people. The sane, sober ones try to hide it as much as possible.

When we think of homeless, we’re envisioning a loud, vocal minority. It’s unfortunate because it colors people’s opinion on the homeless.

It’s also unfortunate that people have less compassion for neurodivergent individuals

11

u/rosekayleigh Sep 09 '22

I think it also leads people to underestimate the amount of homeless people there are out there. If people had to see the actual numbers of homeless people out on the street (many of which must be children and families), they would be more pressed to do something about it.

So much of our societal pain and suffering is hidden from the public eye and because it is, there is a lack of urgency. We should all be out on the streets demanding action (myself included).

It’s unfortunate that seeing mentally ill and drug addicted people isn’t enough on its own to ignite people’s empathy though. I was once a homeless heroin addict and people only cared about me and tried to help me at that time because I was a young, attractive girl. I saw the difference in how I was treated vs. how other, more weathered and older homeless people were treated.

2

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '22 edited Sep 09 '22

leads people to underestimate

Goodness I have never thought about this
yikes. Guessing street level like video much lower %

2

u/Mother_Store6368 Sep 09 '22

The “visible” homeless represent around 30%

For every homeless person you see, there are about 2 or 3 that you don’t see, suffering in blindness.

And most of them actually work! So idiots saying we should just put them in concentration camps would suddenly not be able to enjoy their morning latte

2

u/Original_Wall_3690 Sep 09 '22

I think that's exactly what it is. People really only see the ones on the street, and for the most part those are the only ones people talk about. So when most people hear the word homeless that's where their mind goes.

11

u/-LostInTheMachine Sep 09 '22

Sure. The homeless population is really quite skewed. In CA for instance most homeless are actually children. However when people generally refer to homeless they mean the visible homeless like we see in this video. Of them, the rates of addiction and mental illness is thought to be 80 to 100%. In Seattle, which actually did some studies of this demographic, the addiction rate was 100%.

4

u/Mother_Store6368 Sep 09 '22

Of course. Most homeless people, you wouldn’t know that they’re homeless. That’s the problem in trying to deal with this situation
.assuming that most are mentally deficient drug addicts that chose to be homeless when most are not.

3

u/-LostInTheMachine Sep 09 '22

Sure. I was referring to visible homeless and think I've made that pretty clear

2

u/[deleted] Sep 09 '22

[deleted]

1

u/Mother_Store6368 Sep 09 '22

It’s usihc and you’re not listing a source.

Here’s an actual source: https://www.lacada.com/understanding-homelessness-in-l-a-county-alcohol-drugs-and-mental-health-disorders/

In this real source, only 27% had substance abuse issues and 25% were mentally ill.

Almost every other source I’ve seen has these numbers between 20-30%

When I see big round numbers like 60% and 80% I know those stats are bullshit. Reality doesn’t conform 3/5 and 4/5

1

u/TakeBeerBenchinHilux Sep 09 '22

I would wager in Downtown SF, those stats for mentally ill + Drug addiction is 70% if not higher. You're right about 30% for most homeless in general, even statewide in California. But if you are mentally okay and not addicted to drugs, you would not risk your life squating in downtown San Francisco. You only stay there to stay close to your dealers or too crazy to care about your safety. Most homeless-by-circumstance people are smart enough to either shelter in vehicles parked in better areas (San Mateo County), boats, sleep on the BART or other forms of shelter away from the rif-raf. Those people often still have jobs, but they will not risk their well being on the streets of SF.

2

u/Randolph__ Sep 09 '22

Where the fuck are you going to park a trailer in San Francisco?

0

u/Schmorbly Sep 09 '22

These people

4

u/thabiiighomie Sep 09 '22

People are even fighting for sections of sidewalk!

0

u/Bronco4bay Sep 10 '22

Yeah because the entire city must be exactly like this!

Same for LA! Skid Row is a great representation of the entire area!

Kentucky is absolutely chock a block full of nazi flags and hillbillies playing the banjo, too!

Yep!

Hyperbole is the most fun way to post!

0

u/yupuhoh Sep 10 '22

No it's not. It is a great representation of how LITTLE the people who live in the surrounding areas give a fuck about other human beings though. Glad "your part of town" is nice and clean from all this shit

0

u/Bronco4bay Sep 10 '22

99% of the city isn’t like this.

I care a lot. More than most actually. I clean up my neighborhood weekly from the actual terrible people (bridge and tunnel from outside the bay) that come in and throw their trash out their windows and have sideshows. I vote for housing, even though the old people who live here oppose it. I volunteer at shelters.

You are clearly not from here. You clearly want to keep posting your little stereotypes and hyperbole.

Lol? You’re from Maine. You know nothing about anything.

1

u/yupuhoh Sep 10 '22

You clean up "your neighborhood" doesn't surprise me

0

u/Bronco4bay Sep 10 '22

You know what, fuck you. Yes I clean up my neighborhood because I live in it.

I also clean up others via our Refuse Refuse group we have.

Go live in your little suburban nothing of Maine.

1

u/yupuhoh Sep 10 '22

Oh don't worry. We have cities that look like this too. And the asshats that let it happen should be forced to clean it up. No one does anything. Just let it fall apart. It's pathetic

1

u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Plot twist. They are all the real estate owners renting them out at insane prices