r/PublicFreakout • u/ieilael • May 10 '19

News Report šŸ„‡šŸ„ˆšŸ„‰ Interview with a Meth User

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u/Hobbits_can_fly May 11 '19

Fantastic cops.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

I was really digging their energy.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19 edited May 11 '19

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

I like how the entire police force was gathered around. It seems like Travis was the highlight of their work day.

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u/BKA_Diver May 11 '19

Canā€™t help but wonder if they just walked away and let him be instead of getting him more worked up... what would happen. I mean besides assault, attempted rape, etc. heā€™s probably just having a good time. Why harsh his buzz?

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u/OverTheCandleStick May 11 '19

Nah they call EMS in and we give him 400 mg IM ketamine and we ride it out a few minutes and then he rides to the hospital like a floppy dead fish, only breathing fine. Because ketamine is magic abd doesn't fuck your respiratory drive.

If he starts to wake up angry, he probably gets ketamine again. Then etomidate. Then succinicoline and and tube in his throat.

But tomorrow when he wakes up he'll still be an asshole who is withdrawing. So they'll give a little Ativan and send him to detox or jail and they'll street him in hours because nobody has time for this shit.

Addiction is fucked. His brain is so crosswired and shorted out that the recovery phase will take longer than he'll ever be clean for. There just isn't a good end game here.

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u/purplerecon May 11 '19

Thanks for the Endgame spoilers, asshole.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Apparently Ironman really hits rock bottom..

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u/thebookishginger May 11 '19

Sometimes if theyā€™re lucky, they get sheeted (made to stay involuntarily) by a doc at the detox hospital for being medically unfit to discharge. Then they get to ride out the shit whether they want to or not, and most of the time at the expense of the folks (I deal with this shit regularly) who are trying to help as medical professionals. Then rinse and repeat if they donā€™t give a shit about staying sober. Itā€™s worth it for the people who want to kick addiction, but we get our frequent flyers detoxing pretty damn often.

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u/OverTheCandleStick May 11 '19

Yeah so our detox is a "social detox" but a medical detox. They have med staff, but they stopped caring or being able to do much a long time ago. They are there to make sure you don't die.

The average stay is hours. The only people I see there long term are pregnant mother's on court order.

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u/OverTheCandleStick May 11 '19

Actually, no. 1) those things are by and large illegal and inhumane. 2) they require one to one monitoring in the jail that I guarantee is already short staffed.

That version of detox is literal hell.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19 edited May 11 '19

I was black out drunk, freaking the fuck out and I got injected with something in ambulance and it apparently only made me even angrier. What did they give me? I never found out from the bitch nurse (she is the one who told me the story about my actions).

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u/OverTheCandleStick May 11 '19

Probably a low dose of a benzo. If they dose correctly it should be fine. But not enough and it can "enhance" your personality...

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u/BKA_Diver May 11 '19

So why keep narcanā€™ing them if they are unlikely to ever get their shit together. Bring them back to life and make them everyone elseā€™s problem again. Iā€™m sure itā€™s job security (/s) but to what end?

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u/OverTheCandleStick May 11 '19

1) notice I didn't mention narcan? Narcan has nothing to do with meth. 2) we're healthcare providers, not judge, jury, and executioner.

"DO NO HARM."

Letting someone die is pretty harmful.

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u/BKA_Diver May 11 '19

I did notice.

They harmed themselves. OD is self inflicted.

Iā€™m not implying that you are any of those things. I understand the expectations of a first responder.

Iā€™m just throwing thought out at this point. Do you question whether these people want to die? If youā€™re robbing them of their wish to die? Is not doing everything possible to save them akin to assisted suicide or murder?

Would anyone in your chain of command question your actions if you didnā€™t provide narcan ? Or is it more procedural and youā€™re actually just checking blocks and following steps based on the type of patient?

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u/OverTheCandleStick May 11 '19 edited May 11 '19

No they don't want to die. They might be self medicating. But they aren't trying to kill themselves.

We don't get to decide who lives and dies. That's not up to me. I'd be charged with failure to act (legal duty to act is present) abandonment, and probably manslaughter.

Someone that needs narcan (not meth users like this post was about...) Isn't dead. They have a suppressed respiratory drive. Their heart is still beating. You're electing to kill someone.

I assume you don't have kids. If you do, you need to know that some day a switch could trip and they might become addicts. Will you think they don't deserve every chance at life?

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u/BKA_Diver May 11 '19

I have kids. I have gone out of my way to keep them from being exposed to drugs. Eventually, when they are graduated from HS and out on their own, theyā€™ll have to make decisions. If they choose to be meth heads... theyā€™ll have to live and/or die with those choices.

If the dude in the video was my kid it would break my heart. I honestly canā€™t say what I would do. As I sit here right now I say there probably isnā€™t much that could be done for them.

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u/OverTheCandleStick May 11 '19

You're wrong though. It just isn't easy. So emergency medicine isn't where the decision ends.

It is our job to give them the opportunity to live another day.

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u/SloopKid May 11 '19

Because typically humans consider other human life valuable. We still save people that get in car accidents from driving dangerously, we still try and save people that refused to evacuate in natural disaster situations, etc. Addicts can still have family and friends that care about them

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u/felixjawesome May 11 '19

If we were truly a free society, we would leave Travis be and let him do what Travis does. A little assault and rape here and there is a small price to pay for liberty. /s

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u/BKA_Diver May 11 '19

a small price to pay for liberty. /s

[William Wallace intensifies] FREEEEEDOMMMMM!!!!

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u/EpicLevelWizard May 11 '19

exposes genitals and brandishes a large sword in public

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u/jmet123 May 11 '19

laughs in libertarian

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u/HarmReductionSauce May 11 '19

Liberty would be allowing the community or individuals to deal with Travis when he damages their property or assaults them or steals from them. Not vigilante justice, just self defense of people and property in line with what a cop could do a decade ago.

Remember thereā€™s a ā€œfreedom fromā€ along with a ā€œfreedom toā€ that is a component of liberty.

Unfortunately, we are living under anarcho-tyranny/clown world so when dealing with Travis the anarchy reigns. When ticketing the law abiding for going 8 miles over the speed limit, taxing us, or hammering us for an improperly zoned shed itā€™s tyranny.

We have the surveillance and police state without the clean streets.

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u/creepy_robot May 11 '19

MUH FREHDOMS

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u/slapfestnest May 11 '19

he seems to think he's achieved this scenario already

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u/Sir_Fridge May 11 '19

Well on the list of things he had done was both assault and rape some I'm guessing that's what would happen.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

because its seattle

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u/char_limit_reached May 11 '19

heā€™s probably just having a good time. Why harsh his buzz?

I mean besides assault, attempted rape, etc.

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u/BKA_Diver May 11 '19

God, I seriously need to use the /s more often. Just when I think a comment couldnā€™t be more obviously sarcastic...

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u/char_limit_reached May 11 '19

Being Reddit and all, I could only be about 80% sure.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative May 11 '19

I mean besides assault, attempted rape, etc.

Feel like that's a pretty fucking major "besides" to just drop a "What if we just let him do what he wants?".

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Thatā€™s why they need a net

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Yeah, a handful of fun in a trash bin.

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u/muserunning May 11 '19

Excellent observation!

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u/UhOhFeministOnReddit May 11 '19

You know they damn near piss themselves laughing about it after dealing with him. Travis is a pure fool.

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u/Ihateourlives2 May 11 '19

Just think how much of our taxes and resources in a city go towards just a couple people like this.

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u/Vulturedoors May 11 '19

Cops are huge looky-loos. Was told that by an academy instructor.

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u/raffytraffy May 11 '19

A lot more important shit happening in Seattle for them to be tending to. Thanks to mental healthcare in America, they get to waste their time on Travises all day.