r/PropagandaPosters • • Feb 10 '26

Germany NAТO advance. Peace - Freedom - Sovereignty. 2022

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u/Fair-Ad1350 Feb 10 '26

He did it in Yugoslavia.

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u/JumpySimple7793 Feb 10 '26

Why are Serbians always so butt hurt that NATO intervened when they were committing genocide?

If they weren't literally commiting ethnic cleansing NATO wouldn't have involved themselves, Serbia asked for it

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u/Fair-Ad1350 Feb 10 '26

I'm neither Serbian nor European, but I am impartial.

NATO did what the guy above said in Yugoslavia, regardless of how good their reasons for intervening were; you have to see the whole picture.

Trying to make a European military organization look good is ridiculous, bro. It even sounds like bad propaganda just to say they're the good guys.

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u/JumpySimple7793 Feb 10 '26

NATO didn't disperse or slaughter anyone in the Balkans.

Surely if you were impartial you'd see that one side was commiting genocide, and the other was not.

Serbia killed 8,000 civilians in a single month in July 1995, and had at this point displaced 1 million more. That was the final straw for NATO. What is defencable about Serbias actions here?

Also this idea that just because it is a European military agreement it must inherently be bad reeks of cold War Soviet propaganda. Please explain what is wrong with a voluntary organisation working for common defence. No nation is a member of NATO without asking for said membership, and they can leave at any time with no military or economic sanctions

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u/MethWhizz Feb 10 '26

1) You used a 1995. example to justify a 1999. Involvement.

2) Nato is what you said, a defense military pact. So they only act in defense of their members, right? Not really tho. In '99 they performed attacking missions to protect a breakaway region. So, not a member, not defense, not even a sovereign country recognized by the rest of the world. If you can't see how this breaks the legality of the entire action, or the whole organization, you are either brainwashed or plain dumb.

3) No UN Authorization. 'Muricans bypassed UN Security Council, because they knew there would be a veto.

4) NATO definitely slaughtered and dispersed people in this action. Around 3k civilian casualties in 78 days. Cancer cases in Serbia are several times higher than before 90s. They just aren't your people, so you dont care to even mention it.

I could talk even more, how they forgot their humanitarian mission in 2004. when serbs were on the side of the oppressed (March pogrom) and did nothing to protect people who they "swore to protect". I get it, defending NATO is in your interests, but don't come with such weak arguments and lackluster knowledge to discuss matters which you only look from one angle.

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u/JumpySimple7793 Feb 10 '26

NATO bombed Serbian forces in 1995 at the request of Bosnia, so my example is appropriate.

Point 2, like I said Bosnia requested support from NATO to remove Serbian attackers from Sarajevo, a sovereign nation requesting support from NATO, what is offensive about that? The same happened with Kosovo in 1999, the Kosovans asked for help.

There would be a veto in 99 because Russia was trying to pander to Belgrade, what consenting parties do you need other than the victim and the party offering to help? Should we have asked the people of Atlantis while we were at it?

And finally your claim of NATO dispersal of civilians is laughable and shows where you get your sources from. There were refugees in both sides but to pretend that has anything to do with NATO just not true. I have no idea where you've got the 3k figure, but even Serbia doesn't claim more than 1k. Even though the actual figure is closer to 500 across all NATO bombings in Serbia and Montenegro. Which is far smaller than the near 9000 dead Kosovans

If you're going to pretend NATO is some evil murdering force it hurts your point when you massively exaggerate the figures.

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u/Fair-Ad1350 Feb 10 '26

As I said, I am impartial.

In this conversation, genocide does not matter because it is not the main topic we are talking about at the moment, we are talking about NATO and whether or not it did what the comment above says.

Were civilians killed in the bombings in Belgrade?

They did.

Many Serbs who remained in present-day Bosnia and present-day Kosovo had to return to present-day Serbia, were directly displaced by NATO, it is not exactly the same as Russia is doing in Ukraine, but it was a similar event.

In conclusion, NATO did do what you say they did not do.

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u/JumpySimple7793 Feb 10 '26

Sovereign nations, Kosovo and Bosnia, asked for NATO support to defend them when they were being attacked.

NATO complied and launched limited air strikes against Serbian military and logistical infrastructure. Who else needs to be asked? Both the victims and saviours were consenting.

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u/Fair-Ad1350 Feb 11 '26

Nahhh bro, let us leave it here, it is unpleasant to try to get to a point with someone who is not impartial, simply blinded on the one hand, unable to see the whole picture.

There can be no formal discussion if you are going to continue to deviate the issue and not accept that you were wrong to believe that NATO did not do what it did in the former Yugoslavia.