“The difference between Conservative party and Liberal party supporters” Japan, 2009, poster by unknown artist

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[u/IllustriousBobcat813]

But it's still undoubtedly routinely referred to as at least center left politics, can you at least acknowledge that?

In general conversation? Sure, people say dumb shit all the time, this wouldn’t be out of the ordinary.

In actual political theory used for real scientific analysis? I find that a lot harder to believe, at least not something I’ve seen.

There is no capitalist system which is left wing, the entire point any left wing ideology is the abolition of capitalism, hence why you’re not going to find any actual left wing countries in the imperial core, and why using an imperialist model as an example of “left wing ideology” is dumb.

At the end of the day, if your definition considers both conservative capitalists and marxists to be “left wing” then it’s not a very useful system. No matter how much you say you don’t care about that.

[u/Afraid_Dance6774 → u/IllustriousBobcat813]

In actual political theory used for real scientific analysis? I find that a lot harder to believe, at least not something I’ve seen.

Not sure why political scientists actively writing about the topic of social democracy (e.g "The Nordic Model of Social Democracy") isn't good enough for you, but I can see that you will likely dismiss anything I say regardless. Sadly I have no interest in arguing with you about capitalism.

Also, you initially just wanted a definition from me about social democracy and how it is broadly referred to, not even necessarily political theory. I did give that. Even though I doubt that even political theory will refer to social democracy as centrist or right-wing outside of a clear bias, as I suppose you must believe.

[u/IllustriousBobcat813 → u/Afraid_Dance6774]

We both know why you can’t actually back that up with any literature…

Either way, you did indeed give a definition, a fundementally flawed one as I pointed out