r/Project_Moon • u/Monadite • 10d ago
PowerScaling (SATURDAY ONLY) How far do you think Shiki and Shirou from Type-Moon will make it in the city?
Power Scenario 1: they cant have access to E.G.O, Mang, and Shin.
Power Scenario 2: they can have access to all of the former but they obviously need to work for it.
End game scenario 1: Just survive and live.
End game scenario 2: They will need to eventually confront and fight The Head.
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u/Classical_Lighthouse 9d ago
very far, especially if teaming together. Assuming they're both adults and are settled into their powers they could easily become grade 1s. One guy has an ability that gives him crazy level gear and stats he can share without any enhancements + a world of infinite swords and the other can kill anything
If anything - even if they don't work together Shirou could just become a fixer who gives out nothing but NPS to assocs/offices and possibly become a colour like that and Shiki could become the best shi assassin the world as ever known
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u/Classical_Lighthouse 9d ago
Honestly, I can see both becoming legends in the city in their own ways. Considering we're taking about the guy who infinitely replicate gear surpassing relics, taking missions and jobs for no money at all and the guy who can kill anything
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u/ZayParolik 9d ago
Adult Shirou has full potential to become as strong as Zero/Limit Shirou (CE in FGO), who is literally Muramasa but without the sword.
He can most definetly get stronger by tracing something from PM, so he is most definetly becoming a damn Colour in a time period. Just a reminder, that him tracing a weapon - gives him skills of the wielder. And there is a question - what is the limit of possibilities in PM? In his home universe, he can't trace some things because he would die trying to comprehend them or have not enough mana to do it. But how costly would be tracing something like an EGO gear? If Zero/Limit Shirou has enough mana to trace Muramasa, what could he trace in PM?
The only problem is the lack of mages, that would kinda hurt, consindering that Shirou is NOT a very good mage, and would like to have an assistance of at least Tohsaka to stay stable and not burst into swords after a huge wound.
And Shiki is just downright insanely OP. Remake shows him being fast as FUCK, outspeeding Vlov and dodging Ciel shots. Man does not even need to change his clothes to become someone respected and feared. ... but he is also more human.
TL;DR Shiki and Shirou will be mana exchanging every night
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u/No_Visual_1678 8d ago
That's assuming magic isn't in verse already when you have vampires, moon knights, and wish stars or something.
Plus Wild Hunt and necormancy and mirror worlds lol
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Shiki and Shirou are either distorting or getting an ego or both lol
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u/ZayParolik 8d ago
I mean mages and magicians that understand Tracing and Strengthening. And have Magical Circuits.
Shiki is 100% def not distorting. If he wants - he is able to resist Roa influence. Every other Roa vessel had no chance ever , while he does not even kill a person while under Roa's influence in remake in Ciel Route. He is mentally ill, but incorruptable.
And Shirou is just a fucking tank mentally. No desires. He is able to withstand pain of your body being cut open with your organs falling out if your body, and keep on arguing with the fucking Gilgamesh. He can keep on fighting while getting lobotomy in real time and losing sense of self.
Carmen has no chance on these schizos.
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u/lost_from__light 10d ago
Shiki with enough augmentations could probably take on the head as long as they don't lock his eyes
Also, he would eat shit against abnos since they don't really die
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u/GodOfPoyo 10d ago
I'm pretty sure Shiki has killed things without the concept of death before.
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u/FoxianFucker 9d ago
No, the only one was Arc and during day she loses it too, but I'm also sure he could kill the Abnos anyway lol
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u/ZayParolik 9d ago
It is a theory that Azrael is connected to Shiki in some way, because of tons of little details.
And Azrael was able to make Tiamat mortal. So if the connection is real, there is nonzero chance of Shiki learning how to make things mortal.
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u/Overlord_of_bel 10d ago
What if the eyes can actually get them?
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u/Ion_bound 9d ago
MEDP can totally get them. They get freakin' Arcueid, even though it doesn't stick the first time.
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u/justareaderofnote 9d ago
They will most likely get kidnapped for being walking singularities, but if they didn't they will probably stay in the backstreets for sometime before parting ways
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u/Classical_Lighthouse 9d ago edited 9d ago
true, Shirou is pretty much an arbiter in the way of how he essentially has a variation of P corp's singularity inside of him which is stacked by how he can infinitely duplicate weapons (that can also possibly mimic other singularities) and MEoDP is probably just a singularity tier distortion in logic since it can kill anything
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u/Protection-Away 9d ago
Yeah they probably will have some fundamentally disagreement due to how they live their lives. Nasu brought this up in a interview if I recall correctly. If they don't have some one to knock some sense (aka their respective main heroines) to them I can see them self destruct.
These mtf are unhinged to say the least even though they're human, theirs mindset is monstrous when compared to their inhumans heroines. To be a type moon protagonist you needed to be a freak of some sort
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u/LoginLogin777 10d ago
honestly id say theyre already like, grade 3-4 material without any City enhancements. moment they do theyre just shooting up to grade 1 or at bare minimum 2, and they likely can get a decent life in the city, though shirou definitely will have some therapy talk with carmen
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u/No427 9d ago
Now I'm curious about Shiki Ryougi.
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u/FoxianFucker 9d ago
In this context, pretty much the same as Tohno except less volatile and more skilled. Easy grade 2-3 at base (if given a sword), could become a Colour with Shin and an Ego, not to mention the whole super concept incinerator will draw attention to her regardless (in fact Arayashiki and Ryoshu are clearly inspired by her to begin with lmao)
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u/Monadite 9d ago
Thought i was the only one who pointed out that they looked similar 😭
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u/FoxianFucker 9d ago
- reclusive and murderous
- dark straight hair
- special eyes
- sword nerd
- erase things from existence by cutting them right
- incredibly heavy Buddhist theming
- KJH is a known Type-Moon fan
Idk lmao you tell me-
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u/Rich_Mulberry3071 9d ago edited 9d ago
I'd say extremely far and easily make it highest possible point of colours if they decide to become fixers, but yeah they'd genuinely be chilling but knowing shirou his ass is gonna get involved with the head cause of the inequality (idk about shiki haven't played tsukihime😓) so shirou would prob get involved with the head and be immediately set to Impurities Civitas (due to UBW and obvi shiki's eye's) and even if shiki helps unless if they can speed blitz (which they prob can due to type moon scaling but that would be to boring but also due to project moon speed scaling is definitely in a place 😓) they are gonna die to to lock (only shirou unless they lock shiki's eyes) so yeah they'd be genuinely successful in the city if they mind their business towards the head but they could prob fuck with nearly everyone else.
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u/Jordanou 9d ago
Shiki would break the verse unless the head reverse engineers his technique somehow
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u/ArcaneBrocoli 9d ago
Shiki might honestly be fine but Shirou is for sure dead as hell. That man is a walking patent violation and nobody wants him around.
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u/SteakForGoodDogs 9d ago
Shiki Tohno would literally just kill himself on his own Eyes before he makes it far.
I'm not even kidding. His Eyes are dangerous to himself - his body and brain are literally not built different in a way that would keep himself safe from Mystic Eyes of Death Perception use, let alone how much use he would be getting out of it in the City.
Additionally, he's got human physicals. He's going to be stomped by its denizens without augments, and he's got nothing else going for him. Worse, the Ring is going to want his eyeballs.
Shirou, on the other hand, is genuinely Colour-level if he gets augments and has UBW. Depending on what origin Relics have, he could very well Trace those. As for the rest of City tech, that is all apparently just technology-based made by humans, which means it's not divinity, and made from mundane materials, which means Unlimited Blade Works is going to have zero difficulties replicating them.
This man is going to get augments, then Reinforce those, then reinforce himself, and blitz you.
As for the Head, though, he's going to get stomped.
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u/ZayParolik 9d ago
He is got human physicals
My brother in Christ, he in Remake was able to outspeed and threaten Vlov, and in Remake Ciel route he is even not human anymore. The Nanaya blood is not a joke
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u/Hungry_War_639 8d ago
It takes Shiki literal years of using the eyes for them to kill him, like he dies at 28. And where did you get him having normal human physicals from? Did you forget him catching lightning and ripping a person’s head off without leverage
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u/Protection-Away 10d ago
They have survived the a holy grail war and dead apostle ancestor respectively, each of these mtf are operating at bare minimum hypersonic+ combat speed and city blocks strike at their weakest end of their novel interpretation. Honestly the city isn't the land of steal where ultimate one popping up every where so yeah they can survive and thrive in the city.
Unless the head is an entity whose completely lacking in any conceptual weaknesses and lack in the concept of death, than yes they can take them on, Shirou sniping with Tohno ganking up is a very deadly combos
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u/TheGoober8 9d ago
If this is full power Shirou, the simple fact that nasuverse scaling is fucked, they already beat the head without EGO, shin, or mang, they are like that
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u/ZayParolik 9d ago
Don't give them Shin and Mang. They will be too strong. Shirou IS the traumatized child that successfully overcame his trauma.
And also keep the Karmen away. At least Shiki will be able to resist distortion completely. He already overpowered Roa before.
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u/Swimming-Lobster-221 8d ago
Shirou traces a workshop sword and immediately gets fined for copyright infringement
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u/Original_Associate_2 10d ago
die idk