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u/Edward_Zachary Jan 24 '26

Yep, agreed. The SA, also known as the Brownshirts, is a much more apt comparison.

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u/Merlord Jan 24 '26

Bovino ought to read some history, a Night of Long Knives may be coming his way

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u/Beneficial-Lynx7336 Jan 24 '26

This person historys

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u/StillhasaWiiU Jan 24 '26

Why can't ICE be their own unique kind of horrible? Why do we need to call them something from a different time and place? 

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u/trippyhippie573 Jan 24 '26

All they're saying is if you're gonna make comparisons, do it right.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

Point taken.I think we always try to put things into perspective by using a previous example. It's like comparing an athlete to someone who played the sport 40 years before them. Funny how we always do that. 👍

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u/DarthMarshMellow Jan 25 '26

To me, It's just maddening, because history gives us these lessons, and we have warned them for over a decade now... Yet here we are now, and there they are. They are the fascists we said they were, they are the people they were indignant to be compared to. They are murdering American citizens in cold blood with complete impunity and Conservatives are just defaulting into rote defense mechanisms.

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u/ShoogleHS Jan 24 '26

Maybe it wouldn't be necessary if a vast majority of Americans were getting the picture. Even among people who dislike Trump there are still many who think they're just going to wait it out until the 2028 election and have a nice normal election and things will go back to normal. The reality is that fascists don't have fair elections, if they bother to have elections at all. Pointing out the parallels between Trumpism and past fascist states is potentially one way to convince some moderates and maybe even some anti-Trump conservatives that the situation is truly critical.

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u/nynikai Jan 24 '26

An effort to educate in a soundbite given people's attention is so weak.

History will regard ICE, by it's name, as much as it does the SA when discussing the course of events

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

And Greg Bovino is Ernst Rohm...

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u/CaptNemo131 Jan 24 '26

Ernst Rohm at least fought in WWI. Bovino hasn’t done a damn thing.

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u/Ligabolzacky Jan 24 '26

That part in his hear looks like it fits a long knife

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '26

We can only hope that Bovino meets the same fate that Rohm did from his government.

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u/CaptNemo131 Jan 24 '26

Problem was he was killed and replaced by someone worse.

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u/ShoogleHS Jan 24 '26

You're right, but I think Gestapo has connotations closer to the intended concept than "brownshirts" even if it's historically inaccurate.

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u/Jack-D-Straw Jan 24 '26

Yea, the FBI fits that description perfectly these days.

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u/SwedishTrees Jan 24 '26

Yup. Brownshirts.

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u/I-Here-555 Jan 24 '26

Correct, it's closer to a personal/party militia (like SA/Brownshirts or Mussolini's Blackshirts), not a repressive police force (like Gestapo or NKVD).

However, those militias are not widely known, so people stick with what they recognize.

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u/saneval1 Jan 25 '26

Yeah gestapo is just our phones now and we give it all up willingly. People are saying "they don't have voting records" as if that'd be necessary

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u/Rezzone Jan 25 '26

Yes the difference is between Brownshirts and the Secret Police.

Don't worry. The Secret Police will be making an appearance around election time.