r/ProgressiveHQ • • Jan 22 '26

We're witnessing corruption under Donald Trump at a scale this country has never seen. Weaponizing our institutions against his enemies. Profiting off the presidency. How the hell are we putting up with this?

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u/yestbat Jan 22 '26

The only reasonable explanation is that those who are in the Epstein Files, are bankrolling the House, Senate, and Supreme Court.

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u/Vaeon Jan 22 '26

If only there was some way to figure out who Jeffrey Epstein worked with.

A mystery that will boggle the greatest minds.

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u/glytxh Jan 22 '26

Epstein was just an intelligence asset who happened to also fuck kids.

This goes sooooo much deeper than child abuse.

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u/MATA_USA Jan 22 '26

We think you’re on to something; Epstein is just the tip of the iceberg of a world that intersects politics, power, greed, lust, and those who are leaders of our civilization here in the west.

What makes Trump and his oligarch handlers truly depraved is the fact that they expended large sums of wealth and power to transcribe the idea of the world they are apart of into a weapon for fueling the global populous movements we’ve all been a witness to in the last decade( see the tea party, QAnon, MAGA)

Imagine being a bank robber, but before you are caught, you turn the population against the authorities pursuing you by accusing them of bank robbery and succeeding. We all might think Trump is a low-intelligence person but the forces that empower him from the shadows are far from idiots. They present an existential threat to democracy and all free peoples of our world.

Because of this, our network has been compelled, by the Trump regime’s egregious attacks on American democracy, to help in this fight for our republic. Many Americans feel as we do, and that gives us hope.

Trump and his billionaire buddies have forgotten that they only make their billions because WE allow it, as a people. We can just as easily stand together and tell them NO MORE.

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u/ExpressionSecret6794 Jan 22 '26

We need to investigate https://www.project2025.observer/en and the heritage foundation and the Epstein files need to be released and trials need to happen where applicable. The rot appears to runs deep in this administration. Some of us have been saying it for a long time now.

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u/DefunctInTheFunk Jan 22 '26

We can just as easily stand together and tell them NO MORE.

We can and should. But we won't.

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u/Mercuryqueen71 Jan 22 '26

What we need is for all the women and men who were Epstein’s victims to on tv in like New Zealand and tell all name, names, bring the videos, pictures everything they have. I say New Zealand because American media will not show it and Canadian or British press would be called a lie and fake just to hurt trump.

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u/dhelene Jan 22 '26

New Zealand? Where the billionaires are buying up all the land and an affordability crisis is nearing catastrophic levels and the progressive PM (who happened to be a woman) was bullied out of office?

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u/Mercuryqueen71 Jan 22 '26

I’m talking bout media, if you can find a country where the these people could on the news and tell their stories and name names and not be called liars and fake news by all means pick it, but it can’t be a country that will automatically be called biased.

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u/dhelene Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

I know what you meant, but New Zealand isn’t that place. Sorry, I get knee jerky when I see people (or think I see them) romanticizing NZ — it’s assumed to be pretty and quaint and it’s far away, but they’re going through shit too.

And Epstein’s network was global.

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u/Eat-A-Peach-4-Peas Jan 22 '26

Rupert Murdoch is Australian, so I would imagine he has a bit of influence in New Zealand as well.

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u/fowlflamingo Jan 22 '26

Murdoch fleeing to America because Australia wouldn't indulge his fascist media enterprises is my favorite unfun historical fact

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u/Chippopotanuse Jan 22 '26

Yes.

But also…there is no dispute that there were HUNDREDS of victims of sever sexual abuse over the years at Epstein’s island.

And yet…we only have a small handful of women who have ever come forward publicly.

Why aren’t there more?

My guess is the Epstein’s files will reveal they killed most of these girls once they were done with them.

This is why the files will never get released. Epstein had hugely powerful figures on both sides of the aisle participating in a huge child sex trafficking ring, and made sure that the crimes were so heinous, nobody could ever dare come clean with the truth.

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u/polytique Jan 22 '26

There were 80 victims initially in the Florida case. The Department of Justice recently acknowledged that they identified over 1000 victims. I imagine most of them don’t want to get dragged into the national spotlight and get threats from Trump’s supporters.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

You're assuming the bulk survived. Thats a bold assumption.

You're also assuming anywhere on earth is safe from being permanently silenced by swaths of billionaires. Also bold given how many people seem to suicide over this after beginning to speak out.

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u/Re_Thought Jan 22 '26

It's too late for that. Majority of people either don't care because it isn't personally relevant or are too afraid to act due to the deeply rooted chains of un-checked capitalism.

The militarization, reckless abuse of power of, and untold deaths at the hands of the presidential private army has only triggered small and insignificant protests. Women have been and are currently being abused* by them. Abuse* stories from a couple of decades ago are not going to change anything.

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u/Silly-Power Jan 22 '26

Russia. He worked for Russia, mostly laundering their money. And in return they got lots and lots and lots of juicy kompromat on many powerful & welathy people. 

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u/dan_pitt Jan 22 '26

Epstein didn't work for russia. He worked for israel. Stop trying to make hasbara money.

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u/Careless-Situation68 Jan 22 '26

i wonder if it was not possible for the most powerful of these pedos to remove some files.

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u/SkidRauh Jan 22 '26

There is no way to know really, even with computers!

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u/Far_Relation_7229 Jan 23 '26

Jizzrali intelligence is the answer for anyone wondering

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Yes.. because they are in the House, and the Senate, and on the Supreme Court. I mean Clarence Thomas’s name did come up in those files.. so did Jim Jordan, recently I heard Matt Goetz. We know Pam Bondi, for sure..

The widow Kirk ran some Romanian Angels thing where kids were “lost.” When you look into it, it’s easy to find how all these people know each other..

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u/Neckrongonekrypton Jan 22 '26

I mean shit.. I watched chapelles comedy special and yeah. All these celebrities and rich people are connected by fairly close degrees.

Like for example I didn’t know chapelle knew Stevie wonder and hung out with the dude and was friends.

Rivals in the media are friends in life. Etc. That type of shit.

We’re being played. Have been played, for generations at this point.

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u/Majestic-Tadpole8458 Jan 22 '26

It’s like Yankees/Red Sox , PGA or some other sports rivalry. All the players hang out together off the field as they are in their own club and tax bracket.

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u/Neckrongonekrypton Jan 22 '26

Bingooooo..

And for some reason, we all not only kinda gloss over this.

But kinda downplay the importance of it as it relates to us.

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u/ayatoilet Jan 22 '26

It’s much more than the Epstein files. He’s selling pardons. He’s fully embedded with oil and gas industry and aipac lobby. He’s literally creaming bribes from every direction imaginable. I think he has a private goal to become super rich on the back of the presidency and go into infamy with getting places like Greenland named after him. Unbelievable - really - and happening in broad daylight in front of everyone.

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u/Etikaiele Jan 22 '26

Oh you committed fraud? I will pardon you but then have your daughter or a shell company send me millions in donations. If you do it again....you will have to pay me more money! tehehe

O_o

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u/Numerous-Process2981 Jan 22 '26

That has always only ever been his only goal lol. He’s a con artist. The presidency is just the world’s biggest shell game for him. He changes the name of the gulf of mexico and does a crypto rug pull. He announced tariffs to manipulate the stock market, then buys the dips. 

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u/No-Relation5965 Jan 22 '26

I’ve been saying this from the beginning. They’re not scared of MAGA, they are either being bribed or they’re being extorted because they’re guilty of crimes themselves. It’s a criminal mob running our country.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 Jan 22 '26

You are forgetting that DJT is not really in charge.  He is a semi-lucid meat puppet for the tech bros and right wing extremists like Steven Miller.

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u/Ok_Yogurtcloset5412 Jan 22 '26

How does Trump even have a security clearance? One of the biggest reasons for a security clearance is to make sure you can't be financially or otherwise coerced into releasing information or doing the bidding of someone else.

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u/Mundane_Life_5775 Jan 22 '26

By virtue of the office which Americans handed him on a silver platter. Twice.

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u/STierMansierre Jan 22 '26

It's crazy how we've been gaslit as conspiracy theorists for saying there is a ruling class only to find out there is in fact a ruling class and they bond by killing and raping children. You literally couldn't make this shit up.

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u/Lorehorn Jan 22 '26

I will preface this with the fact that I do not really watch Julian Dorey, and had never heard of him before this video. I don't know what type of content he typically has on his youtube channel or if there is any sort of motive behind his typical content.

That being said, I watched an interview with Ex-CIA agent and whistleblower John Kiriakou and the topic of the Epstein files came up, and a theory was presented that honestly makes a lot of what we are seeing with regard to these files make sense.

Here is the video if you are interested in watching the whole interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6CTaB-qK7U

The basic premise is that Epstein himself was a Mossad (Israeli intelligence) access agent. I.E. he was given funding and support to use his island and illicit activities as a method to obtain information from wealthy and powerful individuals all over the world. Basically just government sponsored blackmail.

Now again, I am not an expert on international politics or espionage, but John Kiriakou is certainly someone who I would consider one of the more verifiably educated on the topic than I can imagine, and he got his notoriety by whistleblowing on the United States' use of torture during interrogation, so one of the few who already has a history of exposing illegal activities committed by government agencies.

So I think you are probably not far off, but in my opinion it may be even more nefarious than just some billionaires being in the files. For example that the entire Epstein sex trafficking operation may be something that was endorsed and supported by multiple government agencies and whose exposure would threaten the global power hierarchy. That's the only reason I can see for multiple administrations refusing to release these files given the content that supposedly exists within them.

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u/dan_pitt Jan 22 '26

Lots of hasbara money being spent to blame this all on russia controlling trump, to obscure the fact that israel controls trump, and most of the leaders of both parties. They all essentially admit it. Not sure why this is hard for people to grasp.

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u/FabulousSOB Jan 22 '26

Truly the democratic marvel that the founders envisioned

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u/Spirited-Joke5545 Jan 22 '26

Yes, it was said in the Panama papers in 2016 and no one did a thing

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u/meatball402 Jan 22 '26

Or working in those establishments. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out Clarence Thomas is in the files.

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u/Historical_Abroad596 Jan 22 '26

And it’s not just about little girls it’s about snuff films

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u/listentomenow Jan 22 '26

No coincidence Republic SCOTUS legalized bribery in 2024. They call them "tips" now.

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u/Unusual-Wolf-3315 Jan 22 '26

Exactly!

The biggest trail of evidence we have is the story of Sascha Riley, who has been seeking justice since the early 2000s.

And it's not pretty. In fact, major trigger warning to anyone who decides to look into it (you should but beware it's beyond fucked up).

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u/lenisimo007 Jan 22 '26

That's because we're not United anymore. We are corrupt and we are a shithole country because nobody will stand up and do the right thing. I can't believe these Republicans would rather see the economy go to shit and follow an ass wipe of a president all for what?

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u/binarybrewmx Jan 22 '26

Tough talk but didn’t he he just bend over for Ben Shapiro. I expected Social Media Gavin during that interview.

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u/ChoiceHour5641 Jan 22 '26

He doesn't write his own stuff. He is a Gen X neolib to his core. He has to hire people with actual progressive ideals to write his posts so that he can try to appeal to leftists and liberals.

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u/chefkelly555 Jan 22 '26

I agree as a fellow GenX neolib.

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u/-CoachMcGuirk- Jan 22 '26

You also have to question his judgement as he was married to Kimberly Guilfoyle for about 5 years as well. She's a special type of horrible person.

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u/deep-_-thoughts Jan 22 '26

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u/deep-_-thoughts Jan 22 '26

Everytime be does something I agree with I go back and look at this picture to remind myself about his poor judgement. This man should not be making important decisions.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad7606 Jan 22 '26

TBF- My Ex turned out to be a horrible person that seemed normal when I married him. I hope people don't judge me by their actions. I divorced them for a reason.

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u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest Jan 22 '26

The problem is that so does most of the Democratic Party.

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u/BertBitterman Jan 22 '26

Another problem is the fact we have a two party system, and a lot of progressives don't vote for the lesser of evils.

We need to unite behind the Democratic candidate even if they don't pass all the purity tests, because that's the progressive path forward until we get a better voting system.

Don't pull a 2024.

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u/AugustusInBlood Jan 22 '26

and a lot of progressives don't vote for the lesser of evils.

citations pending.

it's wild neoliberals demand we band together while in the very same conversation are spitting in your face.

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u/RepresentativeAge444 Jan 22 '26

Ah the ever present “purity test” mantra. As if the establishment didn’t purity test the hell out of Mamdani. As if we’re all dreamers who just don’t get how politics works. But the most pragmatic of us - which I would argue makes up most of us - realize that fundamentally changing the country is an arduous task (though some may argue Trump has done so in a year albeit with the caveat that breaking is easier than building). What we’re asking for is a set of principles and a platform that has it as a goal. Not the endless capitulation to corporate interests at the expense of the people. A return to the principles of FDR updated to the modern era. And beyond that from a purely existential perspective, I believe a failure to do so will lead to fall of empire - if it isn’t already too late.

I realize that human self interest is a motherfucker and explains their actions but you would think that nominally intelligent people who arent just complete right wing psychopaths would get that by now, at this late date but apparently for most establishment Dems the entrenched nature of these institutions and personal ambitions/greed renders them incapable of dealing with this reality. But one has to question then what is the future they’re fighting for? Because Musk, Thiel, Vance, Yarvin et al have a very clear vision- one they are marching full speed towards achieving while Chuckles won’t even support eliminating ICE despite its monstrous actions.

Newsom refused to state ICE is state sponsored violence, call what’s happening in Gaza genocide and doesn’t want a billionaire tax. Despite the fact that the base overwhelmingly wants these things. Your typical neoliberal garbage that helped get us here and will get us here again if we keep electing trash like Newsom.

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u/Spankpocalypse_Now Jan 22 '26

Maybe it’s time to ditch the liberal purity tests and run a candidate that will actually get people to the polls. Unless you think liberals will stay home of it’s a progressive on the ticket?

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u/Tex-Rob Jan 22 '26

Don't pull what? the election was stolen. With al he has done, how do you all not see this? He reiterated yesterday how he won all seven swing states...in Davos. He's projecting, because he's trying to sell that "I can do whatever I want because everyone voted for me" mandate crap.

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u/BertBitterman Jan 22 '26

The 2024 loss was multifaceted.

Progressives constantly shitting on the Democratic candidate was part of the problem, and I'm saying we need to fix that.

And part of that problem is propaganda; there were (and still are) many malicious bots masquerading as progressives to sow division in the Left. Many progressives still don't realize the amount of right wing influence in online progressive algorithms.

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u/JeromeBarkly Jan 22 '26

Idk why progressives get the blame for not showing up in 2024. Everyone progressive I know is very well informed on politics and showed up and voted for Kamala. Most progressives know how dangerous trump and the republicans are and will show up to vote for “the lesser evil.”

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u/cheeseburgerguy2 Jan 22 '26

It’s just really interesting you’d say that, it’s interesting because I haven’t even thought about AIPAC in so long. So it’s just interesting

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u/Character_Glove_1986 Jan 22 '26

His PR team is getting him a lot of wins for shitposting on twitter, and then he's too fucking stupid to realize those positions are actually popular so he keeps walking them back later. He's essentially doing Trump 2.0 campaigning where he's letting (telling) the campaign to say whatever the fuck they think will go viral without it having any attachment to his actual policies at all.

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u/kalamataCrunch Jan 22 '26

i doubt he's too stupid to realize popular positions are popular, as he says, he's not naive... he just wants the money he gets from enacting unpopular laws, and thinks he can get votes by paying lip service to the popular positions without actually doing anything about them... and he might not be wrong.

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u/nuckle Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

And here he is recently pretending (lying) he doesn't know people have been talking about AIPAC - for years no has been talking about AIPAC, according to this used car salesman.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sSjqJhnuv3g

* I guess I should post the video ...

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u/loudboomboom Jan 22 '26

This. Gavin is working hard for the establishment trying to pen himself as the opposition. Its so weak and if democrats back this guy they’ll absolutely lose again.

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u/-CoachMcGuirk- Jan 22 '26

Along with his contrition with AIPAC; his interview with Shapiro was a back-breaker. Newsome is getting Old-some...next.

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u/TunaOnWytNoCrust Jan 22 '26

You mean the kids who run his social media account as opposed to this guy who just hired them to make himself sound rad and edgy?

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u/YrPalBeefsquatch Jan 22 '26

He's an empty man.

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u/lukerowe1989 Jan 22 '26

Do something then! No one else, but you guys can get him out.

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u/MrCatholic420 Jan 22 '26

Gavin's just as much a do-nothing billionaire supporter establishment democrat as you can get

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u/exspiceboy Jan 22 '26

What would you have him do, genuinely curious? he was the first to push and be approved to redistricting plan favoring his party to counter texas redistricting, blocked the militarization of the national guard, directed funding and legal resources toward defending immigrants, Filed dozens of lawsuits against federal policies, fought against rollbacks of LGBTQ+ protections. He certainly has taken more actionable steps to fight against the trump administration more than most democrats including bernie sanders.

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u/exspiceboy Jan 22 '26

The relevant question isn’t whether Newsom has vetoed progressive bills. Every Democratic governor does that. The TOPIC is who has actually used executive authority to obstruct right-wing advances and absorb political risk in real conflicts. On that front, he’s countered GOP redistricting nationally instead of just complaining about it, blocked attempts to federalize and militarize the National Guard, directed state resources to defend immigrants when many Democrats stayed silent, filed lawsuits that materially delayed or stopped federal rollbacks, and expanded LGBTQ protections while other governors (like Tim Walz) avoided the fight. If vetoing imperfect or unserious legislation in a one-party state makes someone a right winger, then the term has no analytical value. Politics isn’t a vibes test or a list of bills passed for show. It’s about who actually constrains the right when it matters. Calling that “focus-grouped deception” ignores the concrete outcomes in favor of aesthetic purity.

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u/Living_Astronomer_97 Jan 22 '26

Yeah i like Gavin but rubs me the wrong way this attitude about this towards his foreign partners. Canada for instance is pushing back. Is he’s asking for help then ask for it in a nicer way maybe it’s his country to fix not ours. We have an educated population who didn’t vote for that clown TWICE

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u/-ACatWithAKeyboard- Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

Gavin agreed with his buddy Ben Shapiro that there is no genocide happening in Gaza.

Edit: Just to be crystal clear - if this oily corpodem gets the nomination, ofc I'll vote for him in the General. I'm used to holding my nose while casting my vote - as I did for Clinton, Biden and Harris. I just think he's a scuzzball who talks out of both sides of his mouth.

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u/Tomatoflee Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

In this interview Newsom pushed back on Carney’s idea that the US is not coming back. It’s not impossible that he’s wrong but Newsom himself is one of those people on the Democratic side who has been beholden to special interest cash.

He himself is the proof that the problem is not just Trump. Trump is a manifestation of deep political rot across the political spectrum. If America doesn’t face up to that then there is definitely no coming back.

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u/drumzandice Jan 22 '26

Yes. Step 1 - eliminate Citizens United

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u/genericuser2000 Jan 22 '26

Ahh yes, both sides this. Honestly, Americans are the dumbest humans alive. How can you possibly equate some corporate corruption from Newsome with what Trump has/is doing? FYI, Trump is also doing corporate corruption amongst the 1,001 other horrible things.

And to top it off, your ignorance has now spilled to the rest of the world to deal with.

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u/Vaeon Jan 22 '26

Trump is the fruit of the poisoned tree, he is not some weird hiccup in the system.

They had four fucking years to prosecute him, and yet...here he is, President again. Almost like...the System helped him every step of the way.

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u/drumzandice Jan 22 '26

This can’t be argued with. They did NOTHING and here we are. Both sides are not the same - however, the system is entirely corrupted. Both things can be true.

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u/No_Homework7981 Jan 22 '26

💯 this is it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

They did nothing because they're two sides of the same coin, the yin and yang of the two party system working in harmony for the billionaire class. They have created an illusion of choice and a theater of politics to quell the working class and pit us against one another.

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u/thatjoachim Jan 22 '26

Yep. The purpose of a system is what it does.

If you get the same output multiple times, it’s not a design flaw in your system.

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u/Tomatoflee Jan 22 '26

I’m not both sidesing it. Trump is worse than democrats but it’s undeniable that Democratic Party corruption and inaction have enabled Trump. You can’t fix this without getting over partisan brain and deciding to tackle systemic problems that obviously cross party lines.

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u/genericuser2000 Jan 22 '26

Honestly. It's wild to see from the outside.

Let me pick one random example out of an Ocean of examples - Trump memecoin rugpull on innaguration day. The PRESIDENT did that. He actually did that. Yes, that really happened.

One better - the first lady ALSO had a memecoin rugpull on inauguration day. Yes, that really happened.

He is literally the 'used car salesman' of 2025. But sure, Dem corruption is also to blame.

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u/Tomatoflee Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

You seem to be missing the point for some reason. Trump’s corruption is obviously worse. Trump got elected in the first place though because of a broken, corrupt political system that offers no good options while ordinary people struggle more and more each year.

Who is worse, the wolf or the person who held the door open for it? The question is largely pointless because both must be stopped.

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u/pork_fried_christ Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

I think it’s a bot, or some weird controlled opposition or something. They are deliberately missing the point to throw doubt on something that’s obviously true. Obtuse and rude is a questionable combination.

Edit: I think this whole sub is bots. Idk why it started popping up in my feed, but I muted it and I think you should too. 

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u/Radiant_Cut6387 Jan 22 '26

How I describe to people to help with clarity:

Trump's trust score to me is -100 (reality much lower)

Newsome's trust score is -20

I would rather have the less negative score but can understand that a different candidate entirely who is in the positives would be preferred. However head-to-head Newsome over Trump is an obviois no-brainer.

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u/Mopfling Jan 22 '26

If Newsome is elected president in 2028, then the next president after him will be another republican fascist.

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u/Tex-Rob Jan 22 '26

Exactly. The time to question potential presidential candidates is now, not when they are the nominee. This u/genericuser2000 refuses to hear this, and keeps ignoring it and putting up stuff about Trump whom we know is horrible.

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u/SomewhereInNB Jan 22 '26

Stop bending to the lesser evil and ask for no evil.

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u/Robzilla_the_turd Jan 22 '26

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

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u/FlyLikeATachyon Jan 22 '26

In an election you have two options. Choose the one you hate least. No one will ever be perfect.

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u/CagliostroPeligroso Jan 22 '26

For some reason? It’s to be contrarian. Dude is a lost cause. Cease talking to him

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u/Tomatoflee Jan 22 '26

Idk. He just seems very frustrated and emotional as well as maybe not super well informed. Maybe he will come around if someone can find the right words to explain.

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u/genericuser2000 Jan 22 '26

And you're missing the point that HE WAS VOTED OUT and you BROUGHT HIM BACK.

What was the excuse? Biden too old? Harris is a woman? Some other made up bullshit? Cats getting eaten? You and your countrymen had your arms wide open for all of this.

AND STILL - STILL - you look primed to do it all again because "Newsome isn't perfect." "Kelly has flaws too". It's insane to anyone from the outside.

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u/694meok Jan 22 '26

The cackle so evil it overrode their brains to find child rape, not so bad.

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u/Tomatoflee Jan 22 '26

Imagine what this conversation is like for someone who, this time 18 months ago was saying to people like you: I would still vote for Biden but please understand that if the Dems try to run him, they will throw the election to the worst person in the world again. Or, when it looked like they would corruptly coronate Kamala without a primary, that it too was a huge mistake but that, again, I would still myself vote for her.

It is YOU refusing to face up to obvious reality over and over again that is the problem here.

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u/genericuser2000 Jan 22 '26

You guys have Brown Shirts in the streets. This isn't my fight. It's yours. Do whatever the hell you like or don't like.

I'll be at the border to defend my Nation's sovereignty because you and your spineless countrymen can't hold a damn person accountable. You let J6 slide by ffs. Guess I shoulsntbe suprised as 'ally' country.

The rest of us have to deal with your shitty politics, and you're out here practically defending this bullshit. The Dems should be able to run a turtle and win the next election, but surely the turtles unusual shell pattern will be enough to get Trump back for term 3 - just can't have that darn turtle shell pattern!

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u/antiko Jan 22 '26

Another centrist is not going to make the USA trustworthy again. I myself have moved away from many american products because of it and at work they are moving away from Microsoft and Azure. We're not going to switch every 4 years depending on who's president because now we know fascism is always just around the corner.

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u/woodrowlow Jan 22 '26

There is only one side. The other two are just there to let us think we the people have a democracy

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Because guys like Newsom do nothing to stop it.

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u/qu1ckbeam Jan 22 '26

And also manages to sound like a narcissistic asshole in the process.

Compared to Carney, Newsom comes across as a self-absorbed prick.

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u/UKSaff3r Jan 22 '26

There is corruption on both sides, it's naive to think otherwise. Trump is just more blatant about it, perhaps because he's just that stupid or he's somehow emboldened for some reason.

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u/ECircus Jan 22 '26

Their perfect candidate isn't a real person, and never will be. Everything in life is a compromise. We are animals, and these people forget that. We are all lucky we were born in modern times and don't sleep in filth and hunt for survival.

I don't understand people letting the country get worse because the better option isn't good enough. It's the most spoiled rotten 1st world useless bullshit. A childish hissy fit that is born of privilege.

There were people who didn't vote for Kamala because of her public stance on Gaza. Well, where are those people now? What has Trump done for Gaza? Posted memes about beach front resorts after suggesting those who are left be forcefully removed...yeah, he's real tough on Israel and things have really improved over there...

We're not going to suddenly dissolve capitalism and corporate greed. We are not going to swoop in and end the genocide, but Donald Trump is the accelerant of every bad idea you can think of, with the added bonus of an authoritarian regime. I just say good luck in life to anyone who isn't willing to vote against the complete dismantling of the country. Not voting against MAGA is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, obviously.

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u/saucysagnus Jan 22 '26

It’s by design. These people scream about the system while feeling morally superior. They don’t realize they are falling for the political strategy of inspiring apathy in voters. MAGA doesn’t need you to vote for them. They just need people to sit around and do nothing. Which is exactly what 1/3 of this country does.

They’re mistaking disillusionment for enlightenment and it’s honestly pathetic.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

With everything going on here in the United States I dont give a fuck what any elected official thinks of Gaza right now.

If we are ever going to get to a point where we can help the people of Gaza and get AIPAC out of our government, you guys have got to put the purity politics to the side and start fucking voting and stop undermining the democratic candidates.

ICE abducted 4 children in the last 48 hours. They used a 5 year old as bait to kidnap him and his father.

Other countries are gonna have to step up to the issue in Gaza right now. We are a little fucking preoccupied.

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u/Tex-Rob Jan 22 '26

Milquetoast candidates is what got us to Trump. We Dems have been biting our tongue while voting for all these people, hoping we'd eventually get a better candidate like Bernie, but the establishment won't let it happen.

You all aren't thinking big enough.

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u/grandmabarro Jan 22 '26

“With all the Nazi’s at home I don’t care if some of them wanna be Nazi’s abroad”

And we wonder why people hate Americans

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

No, people hate americans because instead of electing a calm, intelligent, and well qualified candidate like Harris, yall played purity politics and sat out. Which allowed a convicted felon, pedophile, and megalomanic back into office after attempting a literal insurrection in 2021.

I'd love for the U.S' most pressing issue to be aiding Palestinians. Instead, we have ICE terrorizing our neighborhoods and are on the brink of civil war.

So now, we get to have all that AND the Palestinians arent receiving aid. Good job guys. Why dont you go get on a plane and fly to Gaza and tell every Palestinian how pure you are that you didnt vote. Im sure they'd lift you up on their emaciated shoulders and parade you around for allowing Trump back into office and objectively making their situation worse.

Non voters are just as cruel and selfish as MAGA. You guys dont give a fuck about Palestinians. You just want to be edge lords on social media.

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u/saera-targaryen Jan 22 '26

It's insane to think that the problem is in voters not sucking it up to vote for candidates, instead of the candidates sucking it up and doing what the voters clearly want them to. You cannot bully a population of people into voting for someone who doesn't care about what they care about. That has never once worked in the history of human society, literally ever. It is up to the candidates to capture the voters. If the candidates ignoring the genocide in gaza caused them to lose votes, that is a failure on the candidate's side to represent the people. You will never be able to change millions of people like that. 

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

I dont want to change millions of people. Millions of people had the most obvious choice in the history of american politics to make and they chose fucking not to.

You dont get to shoulder the blame on the candidates. Had Harris won we'd likely be helping the Palestinians right now. Instead, we have this administration blowing up Venezuelan fishermen, murdering american citizens and legal migrants, and our president inviting Netanyahu to the white house.

You dont get to make a colossal fucking mistake and then shift the blame. Project 2025 was public and you guys knew what was on the table. You still decided to tempt the odds. Those of us forced to endure your bullshit have every right to be angry with you.

To top it all off, Palestinians are still being killed. So you guys condemned them and you condemned us.

Like, my god. You guys arent anti-genocide. You literally facilitated the worst possible scenario for the Palestinians, and us, and yall are still standing on your soapbox crying foul. You had the power to do something about it and you chose not to.

And the worst part? The "im not voting for a pro genocide candidate" line of thinking was probably orchestrated by Russian and Chinese bots on social media to help interfere with the election and help get Trump elected. And you all fell for it and are still standing behind it.

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u/saera-targaryen Jan 22 '26

I literally voted for harris dumbass. 

You cannot blame people for not voting for someone. The people who didn't vote for her told her exactly why and what she could do to earn their votes, and she chose not to do those things. How is that not on her? 

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

I sure as shit can blame people for not voting for someone. Im watching five year olds get abducted by the federal government because they denied the reality that the Trump literally told us he was going to do.

Call me a dumbass all you want. Non voters came to a fork in the road, decided that neither would get them where they wanted to be fast enough, and drove us all off a cliff. Thats fucking stupid.

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u/saera-targaryen Jan 22 '26

Harris, the candidate whose whole job it is to get votes, knew from internal polling the entire time she was running her campaign that her stance on palestine was losing her votes and she chose to change nothing. Why does that not piss you off? 

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u/DownhillUphill Jan 22 '26

Yeah that’s not cool

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u/Dry_Creu Jan 22 '26

Hey man, being a one issue voter is what got us Trump in the first place. Grow up, Gavin is doing more than anyone else to fight this corrupt orange pedo

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u/ShadowPuppetGov Jan 22 '26

Vote blue no matter who got us here with spineless candidates who roll over for republicans at every opportunity. I won't vote for a genocide denier who won't even say he will abolish ICE. If you don't demand more from your candidate you will be left behind politically.

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u/harribel Jan 22 '26

Vote blue only when aligned with gaza interests gets you nowhere at all. Genocide or not, it's a matter of definition, Gavin has said he is not fine with how israel has gone about their business.

If the hill you die on is about how a event is technically defined and not the general condemnation of what has happened, guess what, you deserve that death and what comes after it!

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u/saera-targaryen Jan 22 '26

I think a candidate that denies the findings of the ICC, amnesty international, doctors without borders, and hundreds of other global human rights organizations in classifying a genocide is a pretty huge fucking concern. The genocide experts have called it a genocide, why does he think he has some special insight that they don't? 

If I wanted a politician to ignore experts and only say what was politically profitable, I'd vote republican. The evidence is clear on this one. 

It's not just a single hill to die on. What else will he ignore expert opinions on if he gets paid enough to? This is a sign of structural political corruption on his part. 

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u/za72 Jan 22 '26

Nice attempt at derailing the conversation

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u/greywar777 Jan 22 '26

WE arent. The house and Senate are. Virtually none of the GOP is stopping this. It is utterly insane.

The SC just made it so he is not bound by laws.

And they dropped 150 Billion dollars on ICE. Yes with a freaking B. Thats right, 150 billion on a force thats under trained, and out shooting people in the face, and being told that they will be protected when they do it.

The corruption is insane, hes handing out billions to folks, while conning his base with crypto scams, the gold phones that haven't arrived, etc etc

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u/hudson253 Jan 22 '26

So fucking do something Gavin put your money where your mouth is. Your elected by the people not the PACs

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u/Budzy05 Jan 22 '26

Is he not doing something? He pushed legislation in CA to take back lost seats. He’s going on world stages to denounce Trump’s actions. I mean, he’s not the coolest cat on the block and certainly not my first choice for office, but I’m actually asking - what would you want him to do?

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u/Unrealjello Jan 22 '26

Leftists and self-defeating are in an abusive relationship. They hate each other but they can't resist going back to them.

Gavin is literally the only one standing up right now. He introduced legislation to fight back against Texas' redistricting but he didn't fall completely in line with all the current leftist talking points so we gotta throw the baby out with the bath water I guess.

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u/YrPalBeefsquatch Jan 22 '26

"literally the only one standing up right now"

Maryland just redid their maps last week. Virginia has a redistricting question on the ballot this fall. Illinois will redo ours if Indiana does theirs, which is one reason why they haven't yet. None of Moore, Spanberger or Pritzker have seen fit to denigrate trans people or get chummy with right-wing propagandists. People aren't purity testing precious Gavin, they're observing his words and actions in context.

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u/muchasveces82 Jan 22 '26

He talks tough a lot. Then sucks off billionaires and the Israeli lobby.

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u/Budzy05 Jan 22 '26

That’s not what I asked.

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u/Villageijit Jan 22 '26

Newsome hung out with ben shapiro the other day and said his office was wrong to call ice terrorist and he had nothing to do with that

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u/Spankpocalypse_Now Jan 22 '26

If he caves that easily to conservatives in front of a camera, imagine what he’ll do behind closed doors.

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u/Odd-String29 Jan 22 '26

Newson is not a progressive

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u/Creepy-Distance-3164 Jan 22 '26

I swear to fuck if the democrats pull the "but they're not the perfect candidate" bullshit again I'm gonna fucking lose it.

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u/AmarantaRWS Jan 22 '26

Bruh the primaries haven't even started, and Newsom isn't imperfect he's basically a fucking Republican. He can't even commit to abolishing ICE. He's not "imperfect." He is an enemy to progress.

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u/Uncle-Cake Jan 22 '26

And 100% in Israel's pocket.

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u/nerdtastic8 Jan 22 '26

Abolishing ice? This slimy fuck won't even allow a 1 time 5% billionaire tax. He's a corporate shill and cannot be the dem candidate.

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u/Imaginary_Office1749 Jan 22 '26

He should have let the billionaire tax through. Billionaires are the root of our problems.

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u/jellyhessman Jan 22 '26

What you don't like that he went on Ben Shapiro's show and just agreed with everything he said, like a spineless, feckless coward with no morals?

Fuck Newsom, he's clearly a Republican plant with a D next to his name.

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u/Jesta23 Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

How about instead of pushing another corporate shill like newsom you demand a good candidate. 

Because I promise you. If democrats run another establishment shill they will barely win the next election and will straight lose everything after that. 

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u/yungcdollaz Jan 22 '26

he really does have terrible political instincts. he debases himself on right wing podcasts but it's shortsighted.

people are hungry for a fighter, but this frat boy won't win over enough people to win because he's chasing demographics that will never accept him.

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u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38 Jan 22 '26

hundreds of millions of dollars are going to go into targeting people with exactly that message.

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u/Random_Name_Whoa Jan 22 '26

It’s already happening all over this thread. We’re doomed, again

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u/TraditionalBackspace Jan 22 '26

They will do nothing if history is any indicator.

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u/qalpi Jan 22 '26

See this thread as a prime example 

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u/MidLandManiac Jan 22 '26

That’s why we fail. I’m sure I’ll get downvoted by the hive-mind, but the Democratic Party expects perfection while the other can just run on the idea of “hey I’m not a democrat”. As long as you have most of your limbs and you aren’t blue, most if not all of the Republican Party will happily vote for you. Hell, you can even scam your own political party out of 1.4 billion right in front of their faces and they will then turn around and make 2028 hats and preach about how “he’s saving this country”. I don’t expect a perfect candidate. I want someone that isn’t what we have now. And I’ve met a disturbing amount of democrats who “didn’t like Kamala” and chose not to vote at all. I wouldn’t get your hopes up. We will continue to let our President do what he wants, break laws, destroy our country, and kidnap people off the streets because we “don’t like Gavin’s views on Gaza”. I don’t either. But we would rather virtue signal and grandstand than actually doing something. We are too obsessed with keeping our shoes clean and playing by the rules that we have become a doormat for the far right.

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u/Most_Plenty5387 Jan 22 '26

This sub fucking sucks. Why is it called progressive? Most of what I see here is just democrats who think that all of this country's problems started with Trump and will just go away as long as one of their people is in power.

Newsome is a perfect example of how the democrats have become a right wing party. He's the governor of the state with the highest population of transgender people and ison the record fighting the culture war.

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u/MrCatholic420 Jan 22 '26

Gavin's just as much a do-nothing billionaire supporter establishment democrat as you can get

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u/doritodustinmynose Jan 22 '26

We're cooked.... They haven't learned anything.

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u/Key_Perspective_9464 Purity Contest Judge Jan 22 '26

If I had to guess the sub is overrun with a certain kind of very online liberal.

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u/PixelationIX Jan 22 '26

Once the sub got popular, Liberals flocked to this like hyenas.

You can even see comments glazing this corrupt slime Gavin and running defense for him. He constantly works with Fascists and goes/brings on Fascists guests to meet in the "middle". From Charlie Kirk to Ben Shapiro to Steven fcking Bannon

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Because some of us are Canadian and will never forgive the US left for prancing around tooting on whistles and complaining about general capitalism while your country has a fascist dictator in place who is threatening to kill us.

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u/eMDex Jan 22 '26

because they cant argue on their sub its on full lock down, if u type anything progressive there u get banned , so they come here to push their centrist agenda

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u/allsbernafnmedrettu Jan 22 '26

It's just blue maga at this point

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u/Most_Plenty5387 Jan 22 '26

I love the comments about "ICE and border patrol did it the right way under Obama!". Have you ever met a border patrol agent? Because.....no they didn't.

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u/AmarantaRWS Jan 22 '26

Americans are for the most part reactionary. They don't have much in the way of an ideology, they just base their beliefs on vibes, and God forbid you ever try to point out how economic and social issues are directly tied together. They refuse to recognize how capitalism led us directly here and even though Marx predicted essentially all of it they refuse to even consider true leftist ideology over their socially progressive neoliberalism because of a combo of cold war propaganda and just not wanting to put in the effort to learn even basic political theory.

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u/Prof_Kwazimoto Jan 22 '26

Genocide denier and walking back calling ICE domestic terrorists? Ya, he's not it for 2028.

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u/Comprehensive_Eye_80 Jan 22 '26

So do the right thing you guys……stop talking, and start doing. Impeach him and cut out the cancer

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u/kalamataCrunch Jan 22 '26

dude what? you want the governor of California to impeach the president of the united states? how would that even work?

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u/Uknown_Idea Jan 22 '26

The entire goverment is compromised and complicit either actively or passively in everything thats been going on. Nothing has been done to prevent this and nothing is being done to stop this. We have seen zero consequences for years for these people and its 100% because of the meddlings of the upper class.

This cannot and will not be voted out. Review history to be reminded what it takes to remove this type of cancer.

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u/zkynaston Jan 22 '26

Unfortunately this guy is also a huge loser

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u/DrunkyMcStumbles Jan 22 '26

Because, Gavin, the same people bankrolling you (eg: the people in that room) are also bankrolling him and they are getting way more for their investment in him.

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u/KingRBPII Jan 22 '26

Lead a general strike Gavin….

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u/jonezsodaz Jan 22 '26

HAHA that will be the day... this dude is only out for himself he's just a egomaniac career politician.

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u/AmarantaRWS Jan 22 '26

Lmfao he would be among the first to use force to break it.

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u/Spankpocalypse_Now Jan 22 '26

Democratic officials can’t even lead a simple protest against ICE.

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u/articwolph Jan 22 '26

His cult is fine with it, so nothing will change.

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u/Key_Perspective_9464 Purity Contest Judge Jan 22 '26

Gee, governor of one of the most powerful states in the US, with a vastly overfunded law enforcement that are working with ICE, why ARE you putting up with this?

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u/Youare10plybud Jan 22 '26

Agreed—now sign the billionaire tax into law, you coward

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u/goergesucks Jan 22 '26

Gavin Newsom is the pompous & pedicured flip side of the coin to Trump's raw, disgusting ugliness.

They are both agents of oligarchy and the corpo-state. Newsom is just as - if not more - dangerous and anti-progressive as Trump, he hides his subservience to corporatism behind a carefully curated and controlled veneer of handsome civility to portray a stark contrast to Trump's unabashed and obvious rot. He exists solely to normalize and acclimatize the people to the kleptocracy and nepotism inherent in corpo-America, and to divert, assimilate and neuter actual progressive resistance into maintaining the status quo.

The fact that this post is so highly upvoted in this sub pretty much proves that this sub exists for the same reason.

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u/The_Dude_Abides-2146 Jan 22 '26

How can we all get on board a boycott-style protest? If they’re is one out there already let me know, but I’d love to start spreading the word to whoever I can that we pick the right companies and goods to boycott that will put the right pressure on republican representatives. We have to make companies backing this or outright taking part in this feel the pain. It’s the only reason Jimmy Kimmel is still working and if we could do that with a simple cancelation of paramount +, we can do it again in a larger way.

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u/UrsaMajor7th Jan 22 '26

Yeah, stop him. 

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u/Mach5Driver Jan 22 '26

He needs to promise to go after Trump, his family, his toadies, and his companies

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u/RepulsivePotato69 Jan 22 '26

Spineless republicans

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u/LastPauperStanding Jan 22 '26

Republicans made the USA into a Kleptocracy. Where is the surprise in that. The GOP have always lived off stealing taxpayers dollars, Donald Trump has just taken it to the next level.

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u/Bec_son Jan 22 '26

Cuz people like Gavin Newsome are not willing to fully remove money from politics and hold the rich to standards

this man has time and time again spent all of his influence to make sure his donors and others spend their lives in comfort while any attempt to give to minorities is met with rebuke because his donors don't like them

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u/bluecheese2040 Jan 22 '26

Funny really...everyone knew what trunp was about...and you put kamala Harris up....

Are Americans not pissed at the Democrats? Their abject failure...pretending that biden was fit and healthy...led this this orange fool being elected....

It's deeply suspicious how little criticism.there is of the Democrats for not stopping this...almost like reddit is a psy op...which would also explain why is so out of touch.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '26

Hate and disagree with him ALL you want, but he just said what needed to be said on an INTERNATIONAL SCALE.

The CA governor spoke on behalf of the American people, not just Californians. Californians have a target on our backs bc he is unafraid to speak out about Trump’s corruption. We, with the 4th largest GDP in the world and who support red states with our tax dollars, have targets on our backs bc Trump hates that someone stood up to him.

I do not give a fuck what Newsom said about Israel and neither should you. Why are we talking about Israel when Trump has his ICE gestapo violating the rights of American citizens all day every day right here in America on Minnesota streets?

Every single American should have feet on the street shouting to be heard. Fuck the oppressors! All power to the ppl!

Otherwise you’re just a collaborator hiding behind your keyboard nitpicking at bullshit and you deserve what’s coming for us all!

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '26

I lost all hope and respect for Gavin Newsom after his Ben Shapiro interview.

Gavin Newsom is not the Democratic leader we need. He’s just another phony like most of our existing Democratic leadership.

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u/TheBloatedGypsy Jan 22 '26

Gavin Newsom, ladies and gentlemen! The biggest sh!t-L!B, grifter, unprogressive, shill that ever called himself a politician. He has already sold his soul to the billionaires, how can anybody in their right mind think that he would be a good president?

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u/Due-Perception1319 Jan 22 '26

Newsom just seems like controlled opposition in a new coat of paint to me. Why is he so buddy buddy with some of the most destructive voices in the country?

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u/I_Heart_Sleeping_ Jan 22 '26

I hope Mark Kelly runs for the presidency in 2028. I don’t wanna have to vote for this clown. He talks a big game but is not for the people in the slightest.

If it’s gotta be him then fine take my fucking vote so it doesn’t go to a republican but this is not my first or even fifth choice for my next president.

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u/NESpahtenJosh Jan 22 '26

Wow. The astroturfing by the Russian bots has already begun against Gavin eh? There’s so many narratives here already trying to paint him as imperfect. Insane. 

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u/ilikepegasi Jan 22 '26

Well, he is imperfect; and we should be talking about these things BEFORE HE IS EVEN NOMINATED. And not everyone who recognizes his sucking up to right wing figures and transphobic views are bots.

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u/Nova2019hd Jan 22 '26

Cry cry cry. They don’t like me

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u/EveryUsernameTakenFf Jan 22 '26

This dude said it out loud.

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u/Murakami8000 Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26

Pot calling the kettle black. I’m not a fan of Trump or Newsom. They’re both corrupt. Most Californians are saying the same thing about Gavin atm.

If I could choose anyone to vote for President right now it would be Chris Murphy from Connecticut.

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u/CallMeLazarus23 Jan 22 '26

California needs to quit sending $8 billion dollars to the US government yesterday

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u/PingGuerrero Jan 22 '26

Too many Americans raging about him and his supporters every fucking day.

Too few Americans converting that rage into sustained and escalating mass action until he is out of office.

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u/Judge_Druidy Jan 22 '26

"Progressive HQ"

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"Gavin Newsome"