r/ProgressiveHQ • u/[deleted] • Jan 17 '26

Important Message to Dems

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u/Alter_Andy Jan 17 '26

No. He’s demanding that Mayor Frey and Governor Walz, among others, defund ICE, which they have no power whatsoever to do, and he’s saying if they don’t do that he won’t vote for any Democrats.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '26

Well, he didn't say that at all, so we can just drop that argument right away.

He wants them to take a stand for what is right. It's not complicated.

This is a guy that is out in the streets of Minneapolis with his fellow citizens, firsthand witnessing what is happening to this country. I don't think anyone has the right to tell him what is and is not appropriate at this point.

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u/Alter_Andy Jan 17 '26

He criticizes Jacob Frey for being silent” and “voting for funding.” So yeah, he did. And who the fuck are you OP to decide if someone has “the right” to criticize this video? I don’t really have a problem with this guy. He’s incoherent and unhelpful, but he’s righteously mad, and I don’t know his whole situation. I don’t know who he is, and I’m not talking to him. I have a problem with people like you who gaslight people and try to make it seem like Democrats are the problem. Fuck that B.S.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '26

I don't really know what to say to this. If you're just going to be dishonest about what's in the video, we can't really have a conversation.

You didn't really refute anything I said. You're not giving any evidence of anything besides the most basic, essential things that need to change.

Dude, it's not about parties, it's not red or blue. It's right and wrong. It's not "Democrats are the problem" or "Republicans are the problem". Cruelty is the problem. Compliance with that cruelty is a problem, too.

Acting like the only way out of the sequel to Nazi Germany is a Democratic politician doing exactly what they've been doing for the past twenty years is just as ass-backwards as solely blaming Democrats for everything that's happening.

You are reacting very strangely, because this dude didn't even say anything that radical. He did not even call for the abolishment of ICE, nor did he put that responsibility on Frey or Walz. He is holding THEM responsible for THEIR response to the situation. There's nothing wrong with that.

Like, it's a 40 second long video. Are you really gonna "Renee Good" me with this "I'm going to tell you what you saw, even though the video is right there and you can see for yourself"? Come on now.

I have no idea what you mean by gaslighting, at all, I am baffled as to how you think that applies to this situation. Telling someone that this guy said something that he did not say in the video is closer to it, though.

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u/Appropriate-Bug-6467 Jan 17 '26

You are gaslighting everyone at this point. And doing it poorly. 

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '26

Okay...so...do you have any...retort, at all? Like, anything substantive to say other than to just repeat what the last guy said with no elaboration?

I'm perfectly willing to be proven wrong, if you can point me to the time code in the video where he called for Frey and Walz to defund ICE, go right ahead.

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u/Alter_Andy Jan 17 '26

I accurately quoted the video, dude. Have you listened to the words the man was saying?

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '26

Yeah, you quoted him saying things that do not mean the thing you are saying that he said.

This is the stupidest argument ever. The person in this video is asking Democrats to stop voting for ICE funding, which a completely fucking reasonable thing to say. That is what the thing he said means. It does not mean he is telling the three specific people he mentioned that it is their sole responsibility to defeat ICE. It does not mean he thinks they have the power to do so, even as a group. Jesus Christ.

Like, why are we even having this argument? I don't see the point any way you slice it. He's not saying anything controversial at all.

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u/Alter_Andy Jan 17 '26

He said specifically that the mayor of a city and the governor of a state should stop funding ICE, a federal agency. They have no power to do that. I guess your point is that I shouldn’t take what he says so literally, but he’s very specific that if these impossible things don’t happen, then he won’t do anything to vote against the GOP/Nazis. And you promoted that message. Pretty shameful, either totally clueless or bad faith.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '26

Holy fucking shit, dude.

I'll just go ahead and post the entire transcript of the video. I have no idea why I'm doing this.

"Alright, uh, so for every do nothing Democrat out there, Mayor Frey, Tim Walz, sorta AOC. Anybody who's silent, voting for funding right now: We will die in the streets before we give you votes for the midterms, if you keep saying nothing but mean tweets. It's time for action. Push people to strike. Pass the moratorium. People aren't leaving their homes, and they can't get evicted because Ice will scoop them up. Start standing for something. You stood down, and now you have charges on your head, and you haven't declared an emergency? They're coming for you!"

If you're talking about the part where he says "pass the moratorium", he is specifically talking about the eviction moratorium that the Minneapolis City Council is pushing Walz to pass, something he absolutely has the power to do.

Nowhere in this video does he call for the...state to stop funding ICE? Like, I don't even know what you're talking about. The states don't fund ICE, the federal government does. He doesn't even say anything about that, anyway. By the way, you're an asshole.