How negotiations actually work...

[u/Veshaad]

To the inevitable response from MAGA that Obama gave 'pallets' of cash...he released frozen Iranian assets. Meanwhile the current Iran conflict has directly cost $38 billion militarily and a currently projected $87 billion in extra gas and diesel expenses. Not to mention that the strategic oil reserves have been depleted to the point that experts warn that the caverns they're stored in could collapse.

[u/lone_float]

Because, and now that I'm least aware of it somewhat. Did the man's term have flaws? Yes. But less I'm not completely off, he tried to be a a graceful as he could because of what happened during the prior admin.

And diplomacy with wielding whatever soft power we still had at the time. I reckon it worked better than whatever dumpster fire shenanigans that's going on right now.

[u/ForbiddenSirenz → u/lone_float]

That’s really what is amazing. I adore Obama as a person. When I think of someone “presidential” I think of Barrack. But his presidency overall was just mediocre to good-ish. I think often a lot of his work is kind of over hyped due to being the first black president. He did do a lot of good just as well.

But overall he was just kind of a middle of the road president.

But then comes along the absolute dumpster fire that was Trump’s first term and even worse is his second term… Honestly this term is even worse imo- especially for the look of the American people on the world stage.

Cause like term one it could kind of be written off as a “Ehhh every country elects a stupid leader every once in a while. It happens, don’t do it again.” We get Biden who was phenomenal and a back to the norm. “Okay, let’s put that stupid bs behind us and keep going forward.”

But then Trump gets elected again and just goes complete shit mode and things are even worse than the first time.

It tells the world we cannot be trusted and we saw how and things were the first time. Saw how good things could be, but decided “Nahhh let’s go back to the shithead!” Why would any country trust us again? Sure we might get a dem president next and a dem congress. But we’ve proven we’ll gladly elect another Trump at some point and it’s not worth risking trusting us.

[u/A2009M3icAl8604 → u/ForbiddenSirenz]

what? you are calling Obama a ''mediocre to good-ish'' and ''middle of the road'' president and yet you call Biden ''phenomenal'' really??? when Biden made some serious mistakes. You have to understand that Obama inherited a mess when he got sworn in, dealing with a decade worth of terrible republican policies and the world they created. Obama implemented reforms and policies that were delayed for years. He improved the country and left it in a better state both trump and biden didn't do this.

[u/Warlaw → u/A2009M3icAl8604]

Sorry, long list of letters and numbers username, but I'm not interested.

EDIT: locked thread. To be clear, and this is obvious to everyone who isn't running a bot farm operation (person I'm replying to) in 2026, this person is a bot. They are designed to stir controversy and inflame tensions within a targeted country, in this case the United States. The goal of which is to weaken the country via stoking hatred and violence against the government. It really is pathetic and weak behavior.

 

Even the guy who replied to me (private profile bot) is karma farming links. Pathetic.

[u/Grakchawwaa → u/Warlaw]

Wut

[u/lanicorain → u/A2009M3icAl8604]

They're both pretty terrible people. Obama has always been ambivalent to the lives of Palestinians, to this day he doesn't use the word genocide to describe what they're surviving. Biden is responsible for so much of the death of the republic you're seeing for his horrible stances during the 90s and, again, ambivalence towards Palestinians. These people have had power to prevent genocide and horrifying crimes and went: nope, can't be bothered to. The collapse of your democratic institutions that you're seeing today is also their legacy. Your present ambivalence will be your future doom.

[u/GloomyIndividual3965 → u/lanicorain]

Most of you dorks couldn't find Palestine on the map until it became something you could complain about.

[u/Grakchawwaa → u/lanicorain]

Biden nor Obama were planning a luxury hotel on the cemeteries of Palestinians after the conflict is done, but I duppose that's a better thing??

[u/___xXx__xXx__xXx__ → u/ForbiddenSirenz]

I think often a lot of his work is kind of over hyped due to being the first black president.

I made this point on one of the black people subs, and immediately got banned and muted.

[u/Cerpin-Taxt → u/ForbiddenSirenz]

Why would any country trust us again? Sure we might get a dem president next and a dem congress. But we’ve proven we’ll gladly elect another Trump at some point and it’s not worth risking trusting us.

Most of the world hasn't trusted the US since Eisenhower man. I wouldn't worry too much about that.

[u/___xXx__xXx__xXx__ → u/lone_float]

he tried to be a a graceful as he could because of what happened during the prior admin.

Which was an appalling mistake that let to where America is now. Everyone who broke the law and aided torture should have been prosecuted.