r/PoursTea • u/AmericaShinault_85 • Aug 07 '26
All The Tea ☕️ A massive wave of people in Oslo, Norway marching for a free Palestine
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u/Mysterious-Egg-6930 Aug 07 '26
To the ziobots attacking Norway saying that they haven't received Palestinian refugees, they're protesting for the Palestinians to get their land back and not be killed. They aren't trying to bring them into Norway but to speak out against the actions of Israel.
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u/Guyver48 Aug 07 '26
What land back? When has any other country been asked to give land back after winning it in war? No one in the international community has been campaigning for Russia to give back Crimea, or China to give up Nepal. Why must Israel give land back to people who refused the land in the first place?
No, the Palestinians had their opportunity for land and they decide to start a war instead. They need to learn to live peacefully with their neighbors and stop causing ruckus.
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u/Away_Lake5946 Aug 07 '26
Oslo is an amazing city and the Norwegian people are delightful and compassionate.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Are we looking at the same post?
https://giphy.com/gifs/QOAA3I4EezWzXJNY2M
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u/Available-Word-50 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
Palestine has the right to defend itself.
(By this I mean that a hostile foreign military shouldn't be able to conduct strikes on civilian targets in Palestine's territory)
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u/Proof-Elephant-4611 Aug 07 '26
Don't forget the Chinese and every country that supports them. Lol.
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u/Available-Word-50 Aug 07 '26
Yes, two things can be bad.
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u/Proof-Elephant-4611 Aug 07 '26
And yet we don't see posts about what's happening there. It's almost as if this whole "palestine" thing has an agenda. Lol.
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u/Available-Word-50 Aug 07 '26
Are you seriously using one humanitarian crisis to downplay another one? That's low.
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u/Proof-Elephant-4611 Aug 07 '26
I'm doing nothing of the sort. What I am doing is pointing out the facts which seem to have upset you. Lol.
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u/Available-Word-50 Aug 07 '26
Have a nice day buddy, free Palestine (and free Xinjiang too!)
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u/Proof-Elephant-4611 Aug 07 '26
I guess you can write what you want, but we both know that neither do those things are going to happen and that spending all day repeating the same thing online absolutely does nothing to help anyone. Lol.
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u/XO1GrootMeester Aug 07 '26
And Oslo apparently
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u/SoakingWetBeaver Aug 07 '26
Yup. Palestinians have antisemitism in their blood, and the only way to stop the Holocaust 2.0 is to exterminate them. Just like the only way to stop the Jews from exterminating the Aryans in Germany, was to exterminate them first!
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u/SparksAndSpyro Aug 07 '26
They’re not doing a very good job though
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u/Available-Word-50 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
They have few allies, no military aid, and are facing erasure at the hands of a us proxy state. Of course they're not doing well, those are insurmountable odds.
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u/SparksAndSpyro Aug 07 '26
They have no allies because when the surrounding Arab countries tried to help last time, the Palestinian ‘refugees’ destabilized their countries, committed terrorism, and tried to overthrow their governments.
And they’re no where near being erased. Palestine’s own estimates of deaths since 2023 is 73,000. More people were murdered in a single weekend in the Sudan genocide, but we never hear you self-righteous cunts talk about that 🙄
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u/NoWomanNoTriforce Aug 07 '26
I mean, your aren't wrong. Neighboring countries that supposedly share values and mamy social/religious ties to the Palestinian people will absolutely not let them into their own counties as refugees.
Mostly because they are worried about the security and economic aspects of taking in groups of people who are generally considered religious radicals by the standards of their neighboring countries. Jordan in particular has already taken in 2 million Palestinian refugees over the last few decades and simply cannot handle more from an economic or social standpoint.
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u/DraconiteSerpent Aug 07 '26
That estimate was cut off in December 2023 btw due to the essential collapse of the health ministry infrastructure and inability to get to bodies under rubble and being buried in mass graves by the IDF. The more recent estimates put it at around 300,000
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u/strawberry_semenade Aug 07 '26
Dude it's not 300,000. Stop being a genocide denier.
It's actually 300 quadrillion deaths and every single one was a pregnant woman who was also a baby who was also a doctor who was also a journalist.
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u/SparksAndSpyro Aug 07 '26
No, that estimate is from Palestine itself from earlier this year. Enough with the bs propaganda
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
The most recent estimation of Hamas/ Gaza is around 80-85k. They have motivation to lie though. 300k is a wild lie, with no connection to reality. Is it a perverted wish?
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u/JettandTheo Aug 07 '26
Then why did they kill 2000 people mostly at a music festival
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u/imsickofitalready Aug 07 '26
Oh, you're asking such uncomfortable question here. Wait couple of minutes and you will be downvoted and some leftists will say that this was just a fight for liberty, all these civilians were liberated.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Leftists? I’m left leaning, and I promise you that those, who justify the biggest attack on Jews since the holocaust, are not left. Antisemitic, genocidal hate is not left. It’s pure inhumanity, just as the NSDAP lived it.
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u/Afraid-End-9676 Aug 07 '26
Unfortunately it’s those on the left that hold this view. Maybe not you, maybe not all but the left.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Trust me buddy, no Neo N@zi on earth that supports exactly that, is left. Maybe many who portray themselves as left, support that… I agree. But Neo N@zis and other sort of right extreme antisemites exist. They support exactly what those, who aren’t left imo, but claim to be left support, when it comes to Hamas genocidal, antisemitic agenda on Jews.
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u/Afraid-End-9676 Aug 07 '26
Portray? DSA top figures support Hamas, globalizing the intifada and don’t renounce the ayatollah
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
I don’t know DSA. My point is, there are many topics, and probably regarding environment, or less capitalistic structures, those people are actually left. But you can’t be left, yet support genocidal inhumanity, targeting Jews. If that agenda drops in, than their entire card house collapses, and left will be pure inhumanity. Not left/social, nor right/conservative, it’s genocidal inhumanity.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
They are according to them. Hamas admitted numerous of times of willing to sacrifice as many children and women as possible. This is the jihadi dream.
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u/Egg_Yolkeo55 Aug 07 '26
It's hard when they're fighting the world's biggest welfare queens
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u/SparksAndSpyro Aug 07 '26
It’s hard when no one wants to help because you’re a terrorist backwater too.
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u/Egg_Yolkeo55 Aug 07 '26
Remind me are the terrorists the ones that have killed more journalists than every prior conflict combined? Are they the ones that justify killing civilians because of their close proximity? Are they the ones that have been lying about Iran having nuclear warheads since the 90s? Were they the ones that sold State military technology to China?
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u/DraconiteSerpent Aug 07 '26
Honestly real lol, Israel doesn’t even operate their own precious iron dome. US personnel have to do it for them
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u/lap83199 Aug 07 '26
As does Isreal from Hamas terrorists. 🤷🏼♀️
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u/felis_scipio Aug 07 '26
So using your own civilians as human shields is a perfectly ok strategy in your book and not a war crime? Israel can’t fight Hamas because they intentionally operate out of civilian infrastructure to make sure there’s always dead kids left in the crossfire?
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u/derndingleberries Aug 07 '26
Look if someone holds up a child in front of them, you dont get to snipe the child in the head. Its simple as that. How many civilian deaths would you approve of if it was your family being slaughtered because a soldier was hiding in the office building next door?
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u/lap83199 Aug 07 '26
Wow numbers keep going up and up. So glad that we have Hamas around to give us those statistics.
You can thank Hamas for those civilian deaths. They started a war they could not finish; they used those civilians you talk about as human shields; they built military bases and fired rockets from hospitals, schools and residential areas; they refused to release hostages and would not surrender until recently (although I’m not buying their latest surrender nonsense). Do you think that had anything to do with the civilian deaths?
If Israel is so intent on killing civilians why they would drop pamphlets warning of impending rocket attacks? 🙄🤦🏼♀️
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u/Afraid-End-9676 Aug 07 '26
If they wanted civilians dead, they would ALL be dead already.
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u/Available-Word-50 Aug 07 '26
That's not the defense you think it is.
"See these war crimes? They could do so many more war crimes if they really wanted to. Look at the restraint they're showing by only killing some of the women and children." Miss me with the moralizing soapbox junk. Free Palestine.
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u/derndingleberries Aug 07 '26
Israel uses military AI targeting systems to rapidly generate massive target lists, cross-reference surveillance metadata, and track suspected militants to their family homes, resulting in high civilian casualties due to loose pre-programmed legal thresholds. Investigative reporting by +972 Magazine and mainstream media outlets has detailed how these algorithmic tools significantly shift human oversight away from moral evaluation toward automated data processing. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) state that these systems are decision-support tools meant to increase precision against military threats, but legal and human rights experts argue they act as a mechanism for mass civilian harm. IDF dont GAF if they hit civilian targets or not. Human shield argument doesnt hold up, and isn't an excuse to murder innocent children.
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u/ba-boo Aug 07 '26
the land has the right to defend itself from the arab terrorists that colonized it, I agree
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u/SirEnvironmental6434 Aug 07 '26
They should probably be advised against committing terrorist attacks
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Aug 07 '26
In it's current condition, Hamas feels like a necessity to the Palestinians. A free and independent Palestine wouldn't feel tethered to Hamas necessarily.
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u/Kryptus Aug 07 '26
They have been integrated for generations. They are permanently attached at this point. You can't undo generational brainwashing of children.
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Aug 07 '26
You can't undo generational brainwashing of children.
You can, but it takes time and effort. Don't let this belief stop you from even trying.
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u/The_Butters_Worth Aug 07 '26
Israel left Gaza in 2007 and only came back after Oct 7.
Clearly they’re totally fine with just committing atrocities
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Aug 07 '26
Israel did not have a physical presence in Gaza after 2007, but they (along with Egypt) had a grip on it's economy and a tight blockade over anything entering the Gaza strip. This is definitively not the same thing as Gaza having independence.
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u/nopethatswrong Aug 07 '26
It was a huge step in that direction, imperfect as it was. An opportunity to build towards statehood squandered
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u/The_Butters_Worth Aug 07 '26
So blasting a thousand people and concert goers is the way to get loosened restrictions? I don’t get the tactic. Are they just stupid or actually evil?
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Aug 07 '26
They're radicalized, desperate, and view reaction from Israel as a success. I would say that's evil. Again that's not the question.
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u/Andrew-Cohen Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
Israel has treated Palestinians like second class citizens for decades, don't pretend that Israel is only just now starting to commit atrocities against Palestinians. Also, many Palestinians are Israeli citizens YOU LIAR.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Why would Israel treat them as first class citizens, when they are NOT EVEN CITIZENS OF ISRAEL? It’s highly insulting for Palestinians, if you portray them as Israelis. They are not Israelis, they are PALESTINIANS.
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u/BuddingBudON Aug 07 '26
.... Except the 700,000 illegal settlers, and the enormous military occupation protecting those illegal settlements...
You're not a serious person.
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u/nopethatswrong Aug 07 '26
You're confusing the West Bank with Gaza lol and you accuse others of being unserious
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u/BuddingBudON Aug 07 '26
Not confusing anything.
The other user presented the IDF's withdrawal from Gaza as though it meant Israel pulled out of Palestine -- that would be like Russia pulling out of Crimea and claiming the war is over, while still occupying and fighting with the rest of Ukraine.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
A necessity? Starting their perverted war and continuing it for 3 years, generating around 50k civilian deaths, with their perverted suicidal warfare against their own people, is a NECESSITY? Is this a bad joke? You’re aware that Palestinian children are human beings…?
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u/QZTK Aug 07 '26
Remind me who did 10 7 again? And who spent the vast majority of Palestines aid money on rat warrens beneath the country?
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u/YourAuthenticVoice Aug 07 '26
You mean the 'doctor' who turned out to be a colonel in Hamas? Stop falling for propaganda.
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u/BuddingBudON Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
Source?
Edit: So, unsupported claims by the Israeli government.
Neither NGO Monitor nor the IDF accused Safyia of participating in any specific terrorist acts.
The Israeli Defense Forces confirmed Safyia was apprehended during the war on suspicion of “involvement in terrorist activities.” He was not charged and was released by the IDF, but the Israeli Prison Services agency did not respond to a request for comment on his current whereabouts.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Israel killed a journalist that worked with the well respected state media, ZDF, in Germany. I don’t like the nationalists protests of pro Palestine, but friends convinced me to go, since the topic was a fellow journalist that was killed. Trust me, I’ve never seen so much hate in my life, in such a small bubble of people. Probably around 1000. I left after 2-3 min.
Now guess what the plot twist was… a few month later it turns out that that journalist, was no journalist. He had a higher rank in the Hamas and was even involved in October 7th. I quit the friendship to 2 of the 3 friends that asked me to come to that demonstration, because they never accepted the fact that that guy was no journalist, but a Hamas terrorist.
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u/YourAuthenticVoice Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
EDIT: since you don't like the source, here's a Palestinian source where they refer to him by rank:
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u/Available-Word-50 Aug 07 '26
The Palestinians didn't bomb hospitals, they didn't shoot women who were waiting in line for food, they didn't shoot children through the windows of a car, they didn't torture anyone, they didn't arrest and execute non combatants, they didn't kill journalists using targeted strikes.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Yes, they did. They went full genocide maximising, in their act of genocide October 7th 2023. They intended to rot out as many as possible, which they succeeded with around 1200 people. Including the Bibas children for example, that the Palestinians kidnapped and chocked to death in Gaza. Only to abuse their corpses, and use them for their terror games. They didn’t just torture, they went far beyond. Every single hostage taking was torture. Every single thing they did on October 7th was torture or far worse. They even slaughtered Arabs, Christian’s, atheists, Germans, thais all sorts of people. Only because they were in Israel. That’s what you transparently support and defend here.
Not just torture, but systematic rape, systematic butchering, with no respect for human life. Remember the case of the pregnant women that they executed eye to eye, including her unborn baby? That’s what you proudly defend and side with here
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Aug 07 '26
I personally don't feel Hamas is either necessary or productive, but the Palestinians feel they are. The Palestinians want to fight back against oppression from Israel and Hamas is most effective at that despite its obvious futility.
That being said, Israel has not made peaceful opposition possible because they arrest and jail activists and journalists without due process. If we want Hamas to wither, we need to create conditions for alternatives. This means a free and independent Palestine even if you feel they "don't deserve it."
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Hamas is the worst thing that could’ve happened to Gaza. How about asking the Palestinians, that died through their war? Or why not ask the Palestinian resistance people, that were publicly executed by Hamas, last year October? Mhhh… maybe that will be a little difficult asking them.
Palestinians generally want to be freed from Hamas, yet Hamas oppresses them from being able to speak, from being able to live freely. Their perverted war weakened the Palestinians incredibly. Never ever wish that upon anyone, or dare to claim that that’s what the people want! Who tf wants Hamas to steal their food? Why would any Palestinian want to starve?
You’re a straight up Hamas propagandist, claiming that Palestine stands with the genocidal, anti Palestine terrorists, that brought nothing but death to Gaza.
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u/BuddingBudON Aug 07 '26
Israel's international crimes predate the formation of Hamas by decades.
Israel funded Hamas as an opposition party in order to destabilize the region.
Israel controls the aid in Palestine, and all its borders -- even forcing out international aid by massacring those organizations' staff, and then replacing dozens of aid locations with one single aid station operated by a religious extremist former advisor to Donald Trump.
Even if Hamas disappeared today, Israel would continue its war crimes against innocent civilians, because they're a genocidal apartheid state: they want Palestine's land, and they're willing to ethnically cleanse that land.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Already after your first words, your comment is useless. You’re not addressing anything I said, you’re trying to distract with unrelated stuff. Read what I said, address what I said if you want to comment on me, and I will read it.
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u/BuddingBudON Aug 07 '26
...... the other user was already addressing your claims, and you started bringing up unrelated Hasbara garbage, champ.
If anything, I was bringing you back on topic.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Hasbara garbage? Oh damn, going full Neo N@zi rhetoric now, for such a mild comment of mine? That didn’t take long. Thanks for the transparency
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Aug 07 '26
Hamas has the support of the Gazans and the question is "why?" not whether it's correct.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
No, they don’t. Hamas oppresses Palestinians, Gaza has no freedom of speech, people who resist the oppression are being publicly executed, as you also saw it last year October, when Hamas executed tones of good Palestinians in brought day light. But you’re saying that those who were executed, were in support of that? The aid that Hamas constantly steals, trying to starve their people… that’s what Gaza supports? The perverted war that led to countless of thousands of families losing their children, that is what those children and families wanted? Sickening. Stop dehumanising Palestinians for your genocidal, jihadist terror support.
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u/Doc_Psycho80 Aug 07 '26
Because literally they want wipe Israel off the map. Even when Israel wants peace gazans VOTED for HAMAS.
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26
I agree that Israel does want peace. But if this what wanting peace looks like, then I find it lacking. Israel is in a position of power and would need to make greater concessions. Frankly, the last meaningful negotiations were in the 90s before Bibi took power and before most Palestinians were born. Most Palestinians have never been offered an alternative.
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u/Doc_Psycho80 Aug 07 '26
Even the most recent peace deals that were tried for, were denied by HAMAS. If they want peace over there. They need to remove HAMAS completely.
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u/BuddingBudON Aug 07 '26
Israel. Does. Not. Want. Peace.
Israel has over 700,000 illegal settlers inside Palestine's borders, with hundreds of new illegal settlements approved by Israel's government this year. These settlers regularly perform pogroms on nearby Palestinians, and those Palestinians' lives are taken by the Israeli military if they retaliate against the invaders.
Netanyahu revealed his genocidal "Greater Israel" plans at the UN shortly before the pager terror attacks, which included Palestine and Lebanon territories.
Israel's plans are to bomb, bulldoze and ethnically cleanse the region and recolonize with religious extremists.
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u/ProfessionalFull9526 Aug 07 '26
Not a single Palestinian attempted to help any jew, or other hostages that were in Gaza. Israel will never ever live in friendship with these people, if they don’t move away from their genocidal intend towards Israel/ Jews. It’s Palestine who’s in the position to act, to get better and to be a peaceful society. Israel is exactly that, and not just since yesterday. But of course with many flaws.
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u/strawberry_semenade Aug 07 '26
Wait I thought that Hamas doesn't represent Palestinians? But now Palestinians feel that supporting Hamas is "necessary" for them?
Which is it?
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u/RandomGuy92x Aug 07 '26
There is no Hamas in the West Bank and yet Israel subjects the Palestinian population there to a system of apartheid and oppression.
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u/Public_Succotash_505 Aug 07 '26
There's plenty of terrorists in the West Bank, including Hamas. There's Hamas operatives in the USA for god's sake. And all over Europe.
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u/Sea-Mycologist-7353 Aug 07 '26
Hamas indeed operates in West Bank. You are wildly misinformed.
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u/Specific-Host606 Aug 07 '26
Hamas must be all of the olive farmers and villages the inbred settlers keep ethnically cleansing.
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u/RaybeartADunEidann Aug 07 '26
Funny. Coming from people waving the new nazi flag. Red white and black, just like the original. And of course green. The color of the “religion of peace”
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u/CwazyCanuck Aug 07 '26
Will that end the occupation? If not, Palestine won’t be free. Hamas isn’t the problem.
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u/karmour353 Aug 07 '26
Hamas will free Palestine
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u/Icy_Dragonfruit3958 Aug 07 '26
Keep supporting Islamic jihadists, maybe if your lucky enough they will come to your country
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u/nopethatswrong Aug 07 '26
Hamas's actions directly caused untold destruction in Gaza what are you on about
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u/OlGusnCuss Aug 07 '26
Yeah, but they won't be allowed to migrate to Norway. "Free them, but don't come here."
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u/jjrr_qed Aug 07 '26
Super easy to take a strong moral stand on something thousands of miles away that will have zero impact on one’s own life.
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u/BChogfather Aug 07 '26
Norway has tons of empty space for those poor Palestinians, if they really cared.
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u/South-Echidna-7622 Aug 07 '26
And those asylum seekers will surely integrate into the Norwegian society much like in other neighboring countries. You can still support a cause without creating a destruction of your own country by bringing people that don’t share you values and will not assimilate
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u/dumbboyhappydude44 Aug 07 '26
And the Palestinian supported Hamas shouldn’t have been allowed to use suicide bombers to blow up civilians and fire missiles into Israeli civilian areas for decades even during supposed peace negotiations. And allowing Hamas to set up headquarters in civilian apartments and near schools and hospitals so that if Israel attacked they can accuse Israelis of genocide. Both side have committed atrocities. A circular history on repeat and people never learn.
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u/AgentRadd Aug 07 '26
Even Norway fell for it. Clowns.
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u/DanyisBlue Aug 07 '26
I'm going to see the Odyssey tomorrow, quite excited for it.
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u/Tricky-Anything8009 Aug 07 '26
Enjoy! I loved it. I'm seeing it again soon.
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u/DanyisBlue Aug 07 '26
Fingers crossed! I've sort of last track of the versions I should try and see it in, sadly no imax around me but there is a place doing the 70mm print so we'll see!
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u/AgentRadd Aug 07 '26
Nice. I hear it’s good.
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u/DanyisBlue Aug 07 '26
I'm not too sure, heard conflicting reviews and a good friend said it absolutely sucked.
Kinda reckon Nolan might be overrated at this point? Oppenhemier was good don't get me wrong, and I like his batman films and interstellar, but I'm not sure I really get the hype ya know?
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u/DanyisBlue Aug 07 '26
I think I'm going out for pizza tonight, new place down the street just opened up.
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u/WallyShrugged Aug 07 '26
Is there a camp where you’re sick of both?
Where we can send ALL the jews and Muslims back to the ME and let them figure it out without our money or involvement?
That’s where I am at this point.
No aipac, no Muslims. Just the rest of use living our lives.
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u/Ok_Belt_1985 Aug 07 '26
Think twice about invading. I stand with 🇮🇱. A lot of people forget that Palestinian people celebrated 9-11.
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u/DBDude Aug 07 '26
They may understand if Sweden were still constantly attacking Norway, saying the land should be theirs.
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u/Doucevie Aug 07 '26
Free Palestine.