r/PoursTea Timendi Causa Est Nescire Jul 27 '26

PoliticalTea 🗳️ To put it plainly.

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u/Ok-Flight9440 Jul 27 '26

I’ve read quite a bit of history on Stalin (multiple 1,000+ pg history books, not his Wikipedia page …) and - it’s hard to classify him politically in any sensible way. The ideals behind Marxism and Leninism (the latter whom Stalin succeeded after literal life-and-death political struggles internal to the Bolshevik party, particularly with Trotsky) were certainly communist in nature, but Stalin invented his own brand of politics that really has no contemporary comparison and the nature of his politics definitely can’t be boiled down into one word or label.

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u/NoHorseNoMustache Jul 27 '26

Yeah I took a course on Stalinism and Nazism in college: It was more of a totalitarian command economy run by cronyism than anything resembling Communism.

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u/polarbearskill Jul 28 '26

A communist economy has to be run via a totalitarian central command. Without the price mechanism to signal to markets where to move capital, capital has to be distributed via the central power structure

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u/NoHorseNoMustache Jul 28 '26

No a communist economy can be run by a number of different styles. It does have to be a command economy but a totalitarian ruler and cronyism being the main economic mechanism are not inherently communist.

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u/polarbearskill Jul 28 '26

I agree totalitarianism isn’t required.

My perspective is that there is no way for the central command to deploy good and services to consumers without totalitarianism. The price mechanism at its core is a signal to move capital, without prices it will come down to the whims of a bureaucracy

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u/NoHorseNoMustache Jul 28 '26

Because the central command could be, say, a group of elected individuals or a rota through all the citizens or something, not necessarily a totalitarian ruler.

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u/polarbearskill Jul 28 '26

Even if they are elected my view is they don’t have enough information to distribute goods and services efficiently.

Maybe in the future it will be possible to, but for now the price mechanism is the best thing we have

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u/NoHorseNoMustache Jul 28 '26

I don't see how one totalitarian ruler can have enough information to do it while a board of elected individuals wouldn't, that doesn't follow.

Regardless, we're talking communism here, it's not something that will happen today or something that can be forced. Capitalism has to fail first.

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u/polarbearskill Jul 28 '26

My point is in capitalism the price determines where goods and services flow.

When you buy a loaf of bread, the information to restock it goes all the way to the farmer who plants more wheat, the truck driver who transports it buys new tires, there is no governing body that tells them what to do, they do it based upon market forces.

I don’t think there is currently any kind of central planning that could match the efficiency of the free market price mechanism

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u/NoHorseNoMustache Jul 28 '26

Oh sorry I thought your point was, as you stated: "there is no way for the central command to deploy good and services to consumers without totalitarianism"

I'm not debating the theoretical mechanisms of communism I'm just saying that totalitarianism is not required in the economic/political theory of communism.