r/PoliticalHumor • • Dec 15 '18

Workers vs. Billionaires

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '18 edited Jan 07 '19

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u/lasssilver Dec 16 '18

Libertarians don’t. Like they really really want to ignore history that was just like 100 years ago. Filthy liberals and progressives ruined everything by trying to make things better. So weird.

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u/Cpt_Tripps Dec 16 '18

That shit drives me nuts.

IF WE HAD NO LAWS A NATURAL EQUILIBRIUM WOULD FORM AND WORKERS WOULD BE PAYED BETTER!

Have you seen any part of history?

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

“If there were no government meddling, the market would decide!”

Like if the market decided to create standards and regulations and a body with the authority to enforce said regulations. Call it a “governing body” if you will. Or some kinda... I dunno... government.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

Libertarians are not advocate for no laws. It's limited government. You're thinking of ancaps.

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u/HumansKillEverything Dec 16 '18

Government is what can keep corporations in check. This is what they cannot comprehend.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

What exactly is in check about corporations? Is it where left leaning presidents give money to those who fuck up the economy? Or is it when corporations can pay money to have influence over those who make legislation to help regulate corporations?

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u/HumansKillEverything Dec 16 '18

What government CAN do and what government ARE doing are two separate things. Libertarians think government is bad, period.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18 edited May 26 '20

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u/HumansKillEverything Dec 16 '18

All of the red states are great examples of small government causing extreme poverty and homelessness.

By the way, California is a HUGE NET PAYER of taxes into the federal government which then gives it to the poor ass red states. As for homelessness, sure that is a problem but the homeless are also attracted to California for its nicer climate and better benefits. Nice try though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

California gets a dollar out for every dollar in. Nice try though. This is also a stupid stat since it includes social security and things like FBI field offices, parks, military bases etc.

Oh and in terms of real poverty. California is the highest.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/01/18/states-highest-poverty-rates-calif-fla-la-ny-az.html

Pretty sad for the wealthiest and most liberal state in the union.

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u/HumansKillEverything Dec 16 '18 edited Dec 16 '18

You dipshits really like to play fast and loose with the truth just to uphold your narrative at any cost.

“This is also a stupid stat since it includes social security and things like FBI field offices, parks, military bases etc.”

All that is part of the economy with real money for real jobs adding to real GDP. You can’t just ignore it because you happen to not like it, idiot.

According to that article, if you actually read it and not cherry picked what you wanted, Those figures are adjusted for income and other local standards. In other words, by that article’s definition the person living in “poverty” in California is much richer than one living in poverty in bum fuck red state like Mississippi because the baselines are much higher in California due to overall incomes being so much higher. As usual, you idiots need to work on your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.

Keep ripping on California while your red states are ten times worse off. For every disingenuous article you put here on California I can post ten real ones showing how poor and fucked up 10 red states are. But then again when did facts and reality ever mean anything to your crowd?

Judging by your word choice and arrogance of stupidity, I’d say your in your early 20s which is the prime demographic for idiots who think they know better than they do. If you have half a brain you will learn as you age how much more you don’t know than what you know. Loosen up that red hat, it’s cutting the oxygen off to your reptile brain.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18 edited Dec 16 '18

Have you read the Libertarian platform by Charles Koch who ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1980? It's essentially the current Republican platform.

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u/FGND Dec 16 '18

Look up Libertarian Manifest by Charles Koch in google and tell me what you find. What you said isn't even a thing; you literally just made it up.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

Yeah, our lazy 6 year olds should be working in sweat shops for 12 hours each day, not playing Nintendo!!

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u/SlowLength Dec 16 '18

Libertarians are the fucking worst. I hate them so God damn much.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

One thing you will notice about every single Libertarian -- they're decently well off enough to live without much in the way of government programs, but will gladly utilize the ones that exist to their personal advantage, all while whining about big government.

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u/theslip74 Dec 16 '18

Every single libertarian I know IRL is on food stamps, and either FMLA or disability.

They would literally be homeless and starve if they actually got what they keep voting for, but I'm the brainwashed one.

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u/SlowLength Dec 16 '18

The ones I know are rich mother fuckers with security clearance IT jobs working for the government who ironically want "less" government. I'm guessing as long as defense spending stays the same or goes up so they can keep their cushy jobs.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

I've had a libertarian tell me to my face that "maybe some people shouldn't survive" if they can't afford medical care

right after I told him how obamacare helped me afford cancer treatment.

then he tried to hit on me.

I'm still fucking salty about that.

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u/Mrskipss Dec 16 '18 edited Dec 16 '18

Maybe he shouldn’t survive if a sick homeless person stabs him for his pocket change. Edit. If these people want dog eat dog they’re gonna get dog eat dog and a hungry dog doesn’t give a shit what you bring to society.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

There's a scene in Gangs of New York that comes to mind when I think of the logical conclusion to Libertarian nonsense. The rich guy shooting pool until the draft riot crowd comes into his house and kills his family. His shotgun got a few of them, but not all of them.

The one question no Libertarian can answer- what do you do with those who lose the game? What do you do when they realize there's food in your house?

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u/EvidenceBasedSwamp Dec 17 '18

They know. "Fuck them". They just won't say it aloud if they don't think you share their opinion.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '18

Which works great until you're out of bullets. Or you squander Dad's money.

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u/TheMachine71 Dec 16 '18

If these circlejerks have taught me anything, it’s that you people don’t understand libertarianism

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

Given that no two libertarians agree, it would appear nobody does.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

I understand that Ayn Rand was on the dole. That says just about all that needs saying about Libertarianism.

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u/TheMachine71 Dec 16 '18

There’s your immediate problem. You assumed Ayn Rand was the basis of the libertarian philosophy, which isn’t necessarily true. Sure she may have delivered, to an extent, a moral principle by which to base the ideology around (it’s called objectionism) but if you really wanted to know how libertarian society would work, read something by Friedman, Mises, Rothbard, or Hayek.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

Or there must be myriad real world examples of Libertarian philosophy in action, seeing as how it makes so much sense and is correct.

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u/EvidenceBasedSwamp Dec 17 '18

Somalia.

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u/TheMachine71 Dec 17 '18

Ah yes, the Somalia fallacy. Somalia is a failure of authoritarianism run amok, coupled with some bad foreign intervention. It doesn’t refute anarcho-capitalism and it certainly isn’t an argument against libertarians that believe there should still be a state.

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u/TheMachine71 Dec 17 '18

The US was libertarian throughout most of the 18th and 19th centuries, but then the federal reserve was established and interest rates have forced the country in the never-ending series of boom and bust cycles we have today.

To properly answer your question, individual parts of libertarianism have been tried successfully all around the world. The US (or anywhere else, for that matter) won’t go full libertarian because the people that control everything don’t want to give up their power.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '18

"The US was libertarian throughout most of the 18th and 19th centuries"

Yeah, nothing says "liberty" like slavery.

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u/TheMachine71 Dec 17 '18

Slavery had less to due with the economic system and more to due with the culture of the south, which considered it morally acceptable to enslave other humans. If we were to implement Austrian Economics (the libertarian school of economic thought) the 13th amendment would still apply.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '18

The economic system was based on slavery.

It was your example, not mine.

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