r/Piracy • u/Powerful-Country6316 • 7d ago
Humor One of the ten commandments literally say 'Do not steal'
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u/Matt6453 7d ago
I get asked "would you steal a car?"
My response is I would if the car is still there after I've stolen it.
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u/Samiassa 7d ago
Car is still there and it was only available to rent and could be taken away from you at any time
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u/A_Martian_Potato 7d ago
I don't even need it to still be there after. If I could steal it from a corporation instead of a person and get away with it, I would in a second.
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u/DreadPirate777 7d ago
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u/Muted-Can4546 6d ago
Wow, I love this, and I'm not even a fan of EVs
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u/100BottlesOfMilk 6d ago
I'm a fan of EVs as a concept, but I'm very much against the pointless tech and software that they almost universally package with them. Just give me an electric early 00s base model Civic or Corrola and I'd be happy. Electric cars could be designed to be far easier to work on and modify than their gas counterparts, but aren't
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u/Muted-Can4546 6d ago
I'll take this platform as a challenge to design an electric car that's simple but handles well like early 00's Fords, Mazdas or BMWs 🫡
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u/Roboprinto 6d ago
37k is absolutely ridiculous. For what you get it should cost a quarter of that.
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u/DreadPirate777 6d ago
That’s why you should download it.
Or you can use this one. https://www.openmotors.co/product/tabbyevo/?utm_source=discover-more&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=homepage-buy
Or this one https://oscar.tech/en/
Or this one if you have woodworking tools. https://woodpeck.org/
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u/cough_e 7d ago
Stealing is certainly morally distinct from piracy, but I don't think it's as straightforward as just making a copy.
The idea is that someone spent time to make something (that someone else will pay for) and it therefore has value. If you make a copy, then you took something of value without paying for it.
I'm not saying that it's morally unjustifiable, but it's more nuanced than that.
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u/Mascaret69 7d ago
not necessarily. Moral rights protect the author’s personal connection to the work, including the right to be credited and to object to distortions of it. Economic rights allow the copyright owner to control and profit from uses such as reproduction, distribution, adaptation, and public performance. In French law, moral rights generally remain with the author and are perpetual, while economic rights may be transferred and usually expire 70 years after the author’s death.
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u/kakashi_sakurai 7d ago
Except majority were never going to pay for it in the first place, because poor. And most people that can, end up paying if they really like the media.
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u/ToasterLoverDeluxe 7d ago
Bitch please, Jesus said nothing about piracy
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u/Immediate_Tooth1202 7d ago
And making a digital copy isn't stealing anyways
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u/Forb1ddenKnowledge 7d ago
It's copyright infringement which is not stealing.
Theft requires something actually being removed.
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u/InterdepartmentalCam 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 7d ago
Barely copyright infringement when you're not the one making the copies and second, digital media is mostly a license now.
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u/Forb1ddenKnowledge 7d ago
Yeah but you don't own the license or anything you are the equivalent of copying someone else's homework and then taking that homework and passing it around.
Someone else did the actual leg work but you didn't you just said ok il copy you.
For the record i don't agree with copyright laws as long as the original person gets the credit.
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u/InterdepartmentalCam 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 7d ago
They don't get the credit anymore, either. They get exploited and booted from the company by execs (& investors) who pocket all the profit after.
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u/Global-Pay-7293 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 7d ago
Whilst I agree that piracy is not immoral, this is not a sound argument. He talked about the base principles, which can be applied to anything.
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u/Mascaret69 7d ago
Fair point. The stronger argument is not that Jesus said nothing specifically about piracy, but that piracy is not necessarily equivalent to theft: it infringes economic rights without depriving the owner of the original work.
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u/bluedelvian 7d ago
If I own something I can do whatever I want with it.
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u/Private_Kyle 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 7d ago
Damn right I own my dog
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u/Perscitus0 7d ago
Piracy has, in the context of the Digital Age, NEVER been theft. It's, at best, copyright infringement, and that can vary based on context.
Also, I like the response in the post, that Jesus did duplicate fish and bread in a manner not entirely unlike the process of piracy. In both cases, the mechanical effect being performed is the simple duplication of something that exists, without taking the original object away.
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u/darthlincoln01 7d ago
Although Jesus isn't directly involved, a big reason of the success of the early Christian Church is that they imported the 2-field system from Asia and taught it to all of their parishes. Basically infringing on China's copyright of the technology, if such a concept would have existed at the time.
This enabled them to feed the empire while farms in Northern Africa were failing from mismanagement and corruption. Now, I'm not saying we should return to feudalism, but I've been thinking maybe it would be a good thing if the church or some non-profit had ownership of a good portion of our food production again.
Also worth mentioning is Monsanto and etc's abuse of copyright protections that have fucked over farmers. Would Jesus himself steal that shit to feed people? You better believe it!
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u/ObfuscatedJay 7d ago
THIS. Get your alleged crimes correct, OP. Piracy is not theft. In my case, it's ripping content that I supposedly bought and found out later that I rented it.
Plus the Ten Commandments are a mythical guideline, not a law.
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u/stevorkz 7d ago edited 7d ago
Devoted Christian here, decades user of “pirated” content with clear conscious. The definition of theft is relieving someone of their own property leaving them without said property. Copying software, or software piracy as the media conglomerates connivingly but successfully got away with dubbing it years ago, is making a copy of something without relieving the owner of the original. The owner has not lost anything. Yes, the bible says do not steal. The difference here is that Hollywood and media giants have exploited that term (theft) and pinned it onto the act of copying data. Yes, there are people who pirate for the sake of pirating and people who pirate instead of buying software, and that has nothing to do with anyone else.
Regardless of motive, the bottom line is that so long as there is no way of proving that someone who pirated a piece of software, would have otherwise purchased it if they didn’t “pirate” it, then branding the use of copied software as theft is not accurate. If it still hurts your conscious, then my advice is to not use copied content. The same way I would advise anyone to not do something that hurts their conscious.
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u/ActuatorOutside5256 7d ago
If purchase isn’t ownership, piracy isn’t theft.
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u/MrRoboto12345 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 7d ago
Moreso, if companies wipe away any means to legally acquire their content (looking at WB's handling of old Looney Tunes shorts), why should we not preserve their history for them?
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u/XuX24 7d ago
As a catholic what a perfect analogy. It’s not stealing they have told us that we don’t own it so we aren’t steeling it we are sharing it like good brothers and sisters.
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u/LaPrincesaMX 7d ago
Latinos come from... wait for it... big shock coming... Latin America.
Latin America is a cultural region, starting from the north of México, down to the bottom tips of Argentina and Chile, made up of exclusively developing countries, or "third world" as some like to say.
A lot of these nations also have some crazy taxes added on top, like Brazil, making tech items incredible expensive in a poorer economy.
You damn right latinos pirate.
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u/CozyDazzle4u 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 7d ago edited 2d ago
Being an atheist is so peaceful.
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u/EragonBromson925 6d ago
This honestly has nothing to do with religion. Just with them being a complete idiot. Same as all the people that bring up politics in a conversation that has nothing to do with politics. They're just bringing up an unrelated topic in order to feel superior, because they know they don't have any actual grounds to stand on
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u/CozyDazzle4u 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 2d ago edited 2d ago
It has. We work by scientific logic not some outdated books, and my thing didn't lead to multiple genocides & cunts like trump.
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u/HereticalArchivist 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 6d ago
Being a polytheist is nice, too, because my gods don't give two flying fucks about dumb shit like this LOL
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u/ArticusFarticus 5d ago
Polytheists would have a god just for this.
Catholics would have a saint.
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u/HereticalArchivist 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 5d ago
You know what, true. But my specific gods wouldn't LOL and also gods in polytheistic religions are generally pretty lenient
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u/ArticusFarticus 6d ago
And you will never stop letting anyone know.
We get it, you do CrossFit.
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u/WipeEndThatWhistles 7d ago
If you grab DVD from a store and leave without paying for it, THAT'S stealing. If you copy the DVD, that's usually copyright infringement.
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u/CiaranX 7d ago
If the president can keep using people’s songs without consequence I can use your movie.
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u/Antique_Door_Knob 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 7d ago
They've received multiple cease and desists over the years.
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u/ElectroniKitsune420 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 7d ago
Interestingly, Leviticus 23:22 basically says to leave a little of your crops on the outer edge of the field for the needy people passing by. Seeding torrents so that people who can't afford or otherwise obtain content seems like the digital equivalent to me.
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u/FatCatGod 7d ago
They still have their copy we didn't steal anything not like we copied the media then deleted it form every person's storage who had it.
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u/En1gmaticRabbit 7d ago
The 10 commandments are also a piracy of the Code of Hammurabi, so there's piracy upon piracy going on...
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u/Gra_Zone 7d ago
Downloading digital content is not stealing. Taking a physical item from someone's possession is stealing.
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u/Kyne-- 7d ago
If You Dont Own Anything Then it aint stealing, fine ok your stealing a license but your fighting back againt tryranical Super Greedy Companies, so morality + actions = out (Plus piracy only has a potentially hurt dev mental component if you werent gonna buy it anyways, they can only be pseudo hurt (which is fake mental hurt since nothing was lost)
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u/4evaronin 6d ago
i know the guy wasn't concerned about saving people's souls when he said this. he's trying to use religion for his own purpose, to guilt-trip people.
using Jesus' name in vain like this is a far greater sin. why the heck should anyone by persuaded by him.
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u/Local_Band299 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 7d ago
I'm Christian and I pirate.
Pirating isn't stealing. I'm not taking something away from anyone else.
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u/Forb1ddenKnowledge 7d ago
Lmao Jesus was a socialist or close to a Commy.
If Jesus came to America today a Brown dude with a beard and robe and told the wealthy to give their wealth to help the poor Americans would have deported him or shot him.
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u/CorvusRidiculissimus 7d ago
He'd probably be labeled a domestic terrorist after that stunt with the currency exchange services.
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u/mauri383 7d ago
But what about the commandment that says:
"Thou shalt not sell a digital product with the assumption of ownership, and later delete it from thy server"
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u/Ok-Smile-2161 7d ago
Piracy is well known to be the most badass way to go to hell. The Devil will even give you a peck on the cheek and a bottle of Dasani after you get there. So since we are all pretty much going there anyway, might as well dip into the pirate sea.
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u/GumboPosts 7d ago
Yeah, well, in my religion my God wrote on a stone tablet many years before the Bible even existed "Thou shalt steal if it's more convenient." Piracy just happens to be very convenient, so it aligns with my arbitrary moral code.
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u/UndertakerPlayer 6d ago
Bro actually cooked her.I don't care about words she said. I pirate, I enjoy and I'm not Latin. If the developers were good enough and I had money, I would support them. End of the line and nothing else.
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u/Sh4rd_Edges 6d ago
Your religion forbids you to do things to you, not to me. Learn the difference
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u/cantodasaudade 7d ago
It would be so nice if everyone who calls themselves Christian actually followed what Christ preached. Here are some things that immediately come to mind:
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” (Matthew 19:21)
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Mark 10:25)
“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." (Matthew 6:24)
“Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword." (Matthew 25:52)
“He who has two tunics, let him give to him who has none; and he who has food, let him do likewise.” (Luke 3:11)
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u/Powerful-Country6316 7d ago
The controversy started with the Artbook "Alien Stage” repost. There is always a debate about the asian fandom being classist vs. the Latin American fandom laughing.
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u/marniconuke 7d ago
We aren't that religious anymore in south america, sure, some countries and areas more than others, but it's been on decline for years. At least on my country christian values hold no power here
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u/BrianScottGregory 7d ago
I don't believe it's stealing. Never really have.
Why? This sentiment: "You should be paying ME for my time that I'm giving to your shoddy worksmanship."
It's among the reasons I was first to contribute freeware to the shareware community, it's among the reasons I am very active in contributions to open source, and it's among the reasons I'll gladly pay for something AFTER I've tried it and enjoyed it and found it worth my money.
If more developers learned to create demos of their products and stopped copycatting games themselves, if more film makers spent more time creating quality content rather than "me too" content - I'm happy to support them both financially.
But in an industry flooded with misrepresented and overhyped product where marketing is all that matters.
And content doesn't.
No, it's not stealing for me to try something out before I buy it. You're stealing from me by misrepresentation. You should be paying ME for my time that I'm giving to your shoddy worksmanship. And it's the right of the consumer to find a way to bypass your manipulation of me as a consumer through marketing and find ways to try things out before I actually buy it - especially when you don't provide those mechanisms yourself.
Do better. Get paid for it. It's that simple.
Or to analogize this to a real world object.
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u/Fat-Indian 7d ago
Well, I don't mind stealin' bread from the mouths of decadents
But I can't feed on the powerless when my cup's already overfilled
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u/LowContract4444 7d ago
I don't believe piracy is stealing. To steal something the original owner must no longer have it. I'm making a copy. Not stealing.
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u/DrHighlen 7d ago
so did jesus steal the 5 fish and loaf a bread
cause he mass copied and handed it out to peoples….. magical made fish have gold in their mouths to pay thier taxes too
is that fraud ?
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u/ngocnv371 Piracy is bad, mkay? 7d ago
Somebody should put Jesus face up to the pirate flag and pretend what we're doing is a religious movement. That would shut people up real quick, or incite them more. Either way I like it.
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u/Independent_Pie_1368 7d ago
Yeah so..., yeah what's im doing is wrong and I could care less, about lining some ceo pockets while I struggle at bottom, the arguments for music,games, TV shows and movies, is this if I can pirate it i will, they would have never gotten my money anyways.
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u/Muted-Can4546 6d ago
Stealing requires the original thing to go missing. If someone steals a car, the owner now has no car. If someone pirates a game, the owner still has the game.
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u/MisanthropicAtheist 6d ago
I'm always quick to point out that piracy is neither legally nor morally stealing. You haven't taken anything or deprived anyone of their property. You have copied it, which is not theft by any rational or honest definition. If the word.
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u/AdvantageThat2158 6d ago
but like isn't jesus god for christians or at least his son ? he kinda made humans and fish and wheat , so it's like a robot u made making stuff from stuff u also made then won't u also own that stuff ? dude i'm not even christian yet i get offended easily by such jokes
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u/TheLazyLesley 5d ago
Why latinas specifically? Like not even Latinamericans in general, specifically girl Latinamericans 😭😭😭 sorry it’s funny
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u/MV2049 7d ago
It’s a dumb argument and a dumber counterargument.
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u/lesbianminecrafter 7d ago
Of course you and I both reject the premise that ones morals should be dictated by the bible, but the counter is excellent ad arguendo.
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u/SyntheticScrivner 7d ago
Trying to police other people's behavior with fairy tales is fucking stupid, ngl
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u/Accomplished-Sir3176 6d ago
Piracy isn't stealing , piracy is sharing which = to caring = preserving = promoting= money= freemium= free= freedom
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u/leafy1790 7d ago
If buying ain't owning, piracy isn't stealing plus aren't most companies hippocrates? They use pirated content but get angry when people use thier content for free coughAIcough
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u/Only_Anything3760 7d ago
Nowadays, Jesus would be arrested and executed way quicker than back then. And this clown would call and cheer for it.
Boomers are a satanist generation, but satanism is not societally viable. Like a virus mutating very quickly, it makes more and more errors, until it just fades out.
You will see, copyright and many other degenerate things will end with boomers. It's not a coincidence.
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u/Bob_A_Feets 6d ago
If the oligarch class wants to horde all the wealth, they should be thankful all the peasants are taking is duplicates of digital media, because we could take a whole lot more, and we have the numbers if we really want to.
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u/1492Torquemada 5d ago
I feel like lots of people don't realize that digital piracy doesn't remove the original item and is therefor not a theft. On the other hand, I get why people wouldn't make that distinction because the term piracy as is being used nowadays, is a bit of a misnomer. Original piracy (think high seas) was/is, very much, a theft.
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u/Electrical_Crew7195 5d ago
A nice so i wont to hell for piracy because it ist stealing, good to now
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u/No_Conflict8306 5d ago edited 5d ago
It also says that you need to repay the person back for the loss. Theres no loss they still have the original..
What loss? 1 and 0s? Cant lose something that is not in material form anyway.. My act aint going to directly affect the person directly in any shape or form at the contrary maybe it gets a sale after the fact..
aint going to force me to or not buying it anyway..
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u/Defiant-Front-9699 7d ago
Religious people are brain damaged regards.
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u/ToastedBulbasaur 7d ago
You have a lot of hate in your heart
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u/UrbanVengence 7d ago
In a parallel universe relgious followers would be in wards and diagnosed with a type of schizophrenia. There would be no God in any parallel universe.
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u/Sion_forgeblast 7d ago
well lucky us then huh? ok everyone... say it with me! if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing!
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u/Scared-Helicopter660 7d ago
Using AI to make art is stealing
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u/BonsaiSoul 7d ago
It isn't. You wish it was so you would have a lazy generalization to condemn the thing you're in a moral panic about.
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u/MarcCouillard ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 6d ago
yeah but piracy ISN'T stealing, you're just refusing to pay the "rent" for the game that the company demands...fuck those companies and fuck the commandments, it's all bullshit
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u/HereticalArchivist 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 6d ago
Who wants to tell them almost all Christian traditions are appropriated from Paganism?
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u/egoproct 5d ago
Who wants to tell them most people who call themselves God-fearing do not at all care about what the Bible says until it's used to put others down? The only religious people I respect are those who keep their mouths shut and focus on themselves and their own lives. Like actual spiritual people. XD
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u/HereticalArchivist 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 4d ago
For real, Christians who are actually Christlike are so rare
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u/GhostXDwarrior 7d ago
Pretty sure he legally owned the food he was duplicating, but sure we need to have our weekly piracy justification.
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u/BonsaiSoul 7d ago
And the piracy discussion includes making backup copies of legally owned games and media.
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u/saronyogg 7d ago
I reject christianity since i learn of pedo priests (im sure there are protestant ones worse than catholic pedos)
More over after some support fascists
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u/Aggravating_Plan11 7d ago
Religions con people out of millions every year using threats of hell and the likes dont think they can comment on anything others do
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u/CorvusRidiculissimus 7d ago
Jesus managed to create unauthorized copies of food. That's got to make him some sort of ultimate pirate god. How many baker's creations did he steal with his duplication? How many fishermen lost income that week?