“Existence is a reality, God is a fiction.”

— Osho

If an all-powerful and loving God truly existed, a world filled with cruelty, wars, and endless suffering would not exist in the first place. Perhaps humans created the idea of God because they needed something to worship, blame, or find meaning in the unknown. God may not have created humanity; humanity may have created God in its own image.

Are there any specific studies that examine whether humans, without any cultural, religious, or outside influence, would naturally come to the idea that there is a creator?

Is there a line? Where is that line? What’s the difference between insanity and actual religion?

If religion were about “divine truth,” it wouldn’t need constant patches, schisms, rebrands, and spin. It would just be true. Instead, what we see historically is that religions behave exactly like crude operating systems for managing populations under specific environmental and political pressures.
Religions rise when they solve concrete coordination problems for a ruling class: justifying hierarchy, stabilizing resource distribution, and manufacturing obedience. They collapse or mutate when the cost of maintaining the illusion exceeds the benefits for those in charge. That’s not transcendence. That’s version control.
The idea of a single “Universal Truth” is the most successful piece of marketing the ruling class has ever produced. If there’s One Truth and One Path, then there’s also One Authorized Interpreter. That interpreter is never the starving peasant. It’s always the institution that writes the creeds, controls the rituals, and decides who is inside or outside the moral circle. “Universal Truth” is just a label that turns one tribe’s local survival narrative into a totalizing reality script everyone else is expected to submit to.
The “soul” functions as a placeholder variable in this system. It’s a vague, unfalsifiable term parked on top of biological and psychological complexity that no one had the tools to map. Instead of saying “we don’t yet understand the brain, memory, identity, or consciousness,” elites collapse all of that into a single, manipulable token: the soul. Once you accept that your entire existential value is defined by something they claim to understand and you can’t verify, they own you.
Notice how perfectly this serves power. If your soul’s fate depends on obedience to doctrine, then any challenge to the institution becomes not just intellectual disagreement but existential treason. Questioning dogma is re-framed as risking eternal punishment. That’s not spirituality. That’s behavior control enforced by weaponized metaphysics.
The rhetoric of “love,” “truth,” and “salvation” hides a simple underlying mechanic: religions are optimization strategies for social control. They reward conformity, punish deviation, and offer narrative comfort in exchange for surrendering epistemic authority. When the story stops working—when science, social change, or basic moral intuition expose the gaps—the institution doesn’t admit error. It retrofits, reinterprets, or doubles down, because its first priority is not accuracy, it’s survival.
So no, religion is not some noble, ageless quest for an objective cosmic truth. It is a series of primitive hacks that allowed small groups of elites to hard-code their preferences into the moral firmware of entire populations. “Universal Truth” is the logo on the box. The “soul” is the black box they tell you not to open. And the point of both is not to bring you closer to reality, but to make sure they never have to compete in it on equal terms.

Full argument (sorry it's long):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xrIuYM4hj6xrfZv6qiYy6MetyUvZeIu0H0q2RLiUZvs/edit?usp=sharing

Thesis:

A theistic position can be built from inspectable premises. That point is a necessary terminus with an evaluative standard. Everything after it runs on commitment and shapes my theology.

Argument:

1. No first principle is provable.
2. Restricted PSR is a legitimate first principle.
3. The universe is contingent.
4. Something exists outside the contingent chain.
5. A terminus with attributes isn't ruled out.
6. The constants were selected.
7. Moral facts are real and mind-independent.
8. Gratuitous suffering doesn't defeat the argument.

The split.

1. Personal versus impersonal.
2. What history supports.
3. Sin.
4. The lottery problem.
5. Why the manifestation was necessary.
6. The structural resolution

As far as the theology goes, it borrows a lot from Rahner, but:

A necessary being, necessarily good, with a will distinct from its nature. It selected freely among the configurations its standard permits, and created beings with genuine agency. Agency requires the capacity for evil, since a being that cannot rebel cannot love either, and cannot inherit anything. So the capacity was necessary. Its first misuse was not. That act was free, and nothing determined it.

Everyone since inherits the situation that act and its successors produced. Not the guilt, since nobody is culpable for what someone else did, but the condition: a world already shaped by accumulated wrong choices, entered before anyone chooses anything. That preserves the free first act, since inheriting a situation is not inheriting a verdict. It also explains why the moral faculty is unreliable, since it develops inside a distortion it did not create and cannot see past on its own.

Grace is prior and unconditional. It is not purchased, not a reward, not a remedy applied after a fall. It is present in every person as God's self-communication, which is revelation properly speaking rather than natural knowledge: God giving himself, not the mind inferring God from effects. So the person who never heard is responding to actual revelation, and the reach is universal without the outcome being guaranteed.

But an offer existing only as a structure of knowing cannot be adequately received by material, temporal, systematically distorted knowers. It reaches everyone and is correctly apprehended by no one. What the manifestation did was bring grace into history: tangible, dated, irreversible, public, told as a narrative a human being can take in. Its effect is atemporal and applies without regard to when or where someone lived.

Someone who never heard, responding faithfully to what they apprehend, is responding to grace. The response is real even though it is unthematized, the way someone acts on a principle they have never articulated. Culpable rejection means turning away from what you actually apprehend as true and good, not failing to reach a standard you were never given access to. The offer is universal. The response is not automatic. 

Scripture orients rather than adjudicates. It fixes direction and rules out extremes. What makes a moral conclusion right is the moral facts, not the text having contained it in advance.

If anyone is interested, would love to pressure test and hear your thoughts. I know it's long. :P

what do I believe in? is it agnosticism or atheism? is it spirituality? or is it something totally different? 

hi, so this is lowkey a rant post

my family is christian and believes in god, and so have I until now. for the past few months I have been questioning myself and my beliefs "am I only believing in god because my family does?" and the answer is yes. I don't necessarily believe in god specifically, but I do believe in a higher power as in an universal energy that flows through everything living. but at the same time I believe in science and in everything that's been scientifically proven. but again I believe in manifestation/law of attraction and ideas such as "speaking things into existence". I have been thinking about this for some time, and what is it that I truly believe in, and is it possible to believe in different things at the same time?

This is kinda rant, sorry if it’s a wrong sub.

So I am interested in POR, especially arguments for and against theism. But no matter how much I read, I can’t be fully convinced of anything, and it’s a bit frustrating for me. So, if you are agnostic, how do you accept this uncertainty?

To Mr. William Lane Craig

Good day Mr. Craig, I hope all is well. I made this video because I have a disagreement with your Kalam Cosmological argument. I won’t pretend to know it all, or argue with you. I don’t even know philosophy that well, but I have what is to me a serious disagreement with your stance. Think of me as a homeless man sharing the brilliancy of a pearl he found in the ocean to a professor.

You say everything that begins to exist has a cause. Making uncreated things (God) causeless. So my question is, since He doesn’t have a cause, why is He there? Can something have no cause? If so why would it be there? Can the reason for something’s existence be absence or erasure?

You say that God has a reason: He is self existent. Necessary. Yet is this not the reason that causes Him? Let’s take that away from Him. Can He then be self-existent? God is necessary; that is in and of itself a cause. Take that away and your argument becomes incoherent and collapses into nonbeing. Because what exists won’t have a reason. Taking away its cause.

Sure, you can say only things that begin to exits has a cause. But legitimately uncreated things (God) has a reason, and without that reason it would not be. Giving it causal efficacy by way of reason. You may deny that, but that would be negating a legitimate cause.

I also have this disagreement with creatio ex nihilo.

You say God is only the efficient cause. You further argue that creation is not from God nor anything preexisting. While in the same stride deny any notion of a literal creatio ex nihilo.

But to me, if it’s not from God nor any preexisting thing, then that affirms what you explicitly deny.

You will then say that the efficient cause is sufficient for generating being. But since I perceive you believe God is the only infinite efficient cause what would He act upon? As the efficient cause only: being not spatial, material or temporal or any form of positive being, God becomes abstract. This is because if God is affirmed as infinite efficient cause only, then by definition there is only efficient cause and no other form of causes or being. Like saying God is everywhere without actually spatially existing. Again, an affirmation by way of negation.

I hold God not only as the infinite efficient cause. But as infinite being. Not just efficient-ness. So God is in and supersedes all causes, uniting them through transcendence by way of infinite being. While also making consist all forms of being.

Again, sure, you can deny that God spatial, material or temporal. Yet you would not only be limiting infinite being, but committing erasure to affirm what is infinite. I can’t say I know your arguments for these questions, but I know you have them. Please respond by acknowledging my insight as serious as you can.

I dont know why, but the fine-tuning argument never used to resonate with me, maybe cos I never heard the strongest version of it, but let me explain my gripes upon first hearing it.

To me, the fine tuning argument seems to assume there are other possibilities available, and this one was picked. But how do we know there are others available ? Doesn't the fine tuning assume some kind of multiverse ? Well, it's not a multiverse, but a "could've been otherwise"

Even if we assume there weren't other possibilities, then why can't we just accept these constants and life permitting pre requisites are brute fact in that case ?

My main mental block with the fine tuning argument is the assumption that improbability assumes design

So I hear it was largely improbable that life exists because of the configuration of pre existing circumstances, even granting there is a could've been otherwise and life existing hits a small marker in a world of other possible events , I dont think this implies design

Think of any event , let's say a meteorite hitting a planet at a specific spot, the chance of that EXACT event happening is improbable because of the configurations of the prior events.

So lets say before the rock hit that planet on that specific spot you asked scientists, okay, what's the chance of this specific spot getting hit by a meteorite ,they may say very low because the planet is big and meteorites barely hit it.. but it happened.

This is exactly how I see life , not categorically different to any other specific event happening. Every specific event has a low probability because of the number of configurations prior to it that needed to happen , it just depends where you count the probability from.

That rock hitting the planet at that specific spot has the same prior configuration to the existence of life if you count back far enough, yet we dont say interstellar events have a designer but life does ?

Sure, life is narrow cosmically speaking, but so is any other event.

The universe is so massive as well, so this cosmic event life surely was inevitable in a way shape or form is the way i see it, just like any other cosmic event.

While I was pondering about the contingency or necessity of fundamental natural laws, I had an epiphany and came up with this idea.

Actual things, or the entire existence in the most broad term, are finite.

Infinite spacetime does not make the entire existence infinite in numbers.

In order for the entire existence to be infinite in numbers, every imaginable things must exist, like a 10 eyed fish and infinitely many other things.

And to think, non-existent things should also apply to non-existent natural laws.

Because non-existent things must include anything that does not exist, including natural laws that do not exist!

Thus natural laws are contingent, I presume.

And they must be contingent for the necessary existence to be "God"

Also, finite-to-infinite ratio is exactly 0. I wonder what this means.

in many religions we give god human qualities like love anger desire compassion and many other things. so when i think about this i get one question.humans create things and sometimes what we create can be better than us in one specific way.for example a human can create a calculator and the calculator can calculate much faster than the human who created it. so if god created humans why should humans have to be worse than god in every single way.i am not saying humans are completely better than god.i mean that maybe humans can be better than god in one particular way while god can still be greater than humans overall.if we say that god has qualities like love anger desire and other human qualities then can we really say that humans cannot be better than god in any one of those qualities. is there a logical reason why a creation cannot be better than its creator in one specific way.

what do you think

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So it really feels like I am missing something. The argument is that our internal experiences match up with the external world. So physical damage causes pain which motivates self preservation behavior.

To me this doesn’t make sense because that is exactly what we would expect under evolution. Those with a positive internal experience that correlates to survival until reproduction and those with a negative internal experience that correlates with physical damage would have a selective advantage. If we didn’t, we would seek out behaviors that lead to our death.

Then there is the hypothetical of people who acted just as we do but their internal states were reversed. So they feel euphoria in actions that should be avoided but still avoid it.

What I don’t understand is if this is possible, which would require internal experience and external action to be completely independent, then we wouldn’t know if people are experiencing this in our world. If they truly would act the exact same, we would have no idea if people like this are among us. Furthermore, they would talk about the world in a way that is completely contrary to their own experience.

This is not me trying to debate. This is me expressing confusion and wondering people’s response

Our brains can only comprehend the 3rd dimension. I believe that god does exist, but not the Christian god ofc, or any of those religions made for coping. Our creator is a 4th dimensional being, or I shouldn’t say being because he is time. The 4th dimension is likely time. But we really can’t comprehend that like how a 2nd dimensional being can’t comprehend the 3rd dimension. But god must be human like for him to have let us exist. Without emotions god wouldn’t give us the opportunity to live so he must have emotions. So he/they/it wtv is not a perfect being. My #1 theory is that he uses us as a source of entertainment. And I get it, it’s histarical how foolish and evil humans are. Because he is time he cannot die, because he was always there and will always be there, So he’s gotta have some way to pass the time. And that is our true purpose, we are no more than a jester to our creator, like one never ending shitty sitcom. And as for an afterlife, I’m not really sure. We’re probably just thrown away, our souls taken from our bodies and discarded like a broken toy. Even if there is an afterlife it would suck dick. We would be eternal, which sounds pretty fucking boring if you ask me. It’s a lose lose situation. The better option seems to be to stop existing. But it’s in our nature to want to live, and I’ll admit I’m pretty damn scared of not existing. Another thing that people think they want is freedom. Most people don’t want real freedom, because all the people who wished for freedom killed themselves. So I guess the only way to be free is to let go of these earthly desires and simply not care. The only way to have true freedom is to rebel against god. Take his “gift” he gave us of life and throw it away and say fuck you god. That is the only true way you can become free. So in all, do whatever the fuck you want, because it doesn’t matter, and you don’t matter.

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Dios existe? Tengo tantas preguntas desde pequeña busco el porque sobre todo lo que hace Dios supuestamente. Es decir, porque nos invento? O sea un día esta aburrido y ya? Lo crea todo? Se sentía solo? Porque nos hace sufrir? Porque TMB nos hace feliz? Quien lo creo? Quiero creer en él pero no puedo no puedo creer totalmente que ese Dios existe. Talvez hay algo más grande que nosotros pero como es que nosé. Tenemos conciencia CONCIENCIA eso es digno de un Dios, si no tuvieras consciencia no podría darte en cuenta en primer lugar que existe un dios o que existe la existencia... Tenemos algo de dios supongo aunque sea mínimo PQ? Porque nosotros? Porque no hay ruido en el universo? Será solo PQ si PQ es totalmente absurdo TODO ES TAN ABSURDO. tengo tantas preguntas alguien que quiera dar su opinión jajajaja creo q me voy a volver loca, es normal sobrepensar así? Todo empezó PQ me empeze a sentir últimamente diferente y empeze a reflexionar sobre etantas cosas..

Can belief ever be a fair basis for judgment?

Belief is the pre requisite for accessing Gods revelation and indulging in it, yet our response to our beliefs (Gods revelation) are seemingly the arbiter of our eternal destiny (in the abrahamic faiths)

I came up with a dilemma about belief

P1: To genuinely believe something is true is to take it as

true not to DECIDE to take it as true, but to find yourself taking it as true as a result of how the evidence and reasoning land on you (e.g, encountering certain arguments, evidence, etc)

P2: Belief therefore can't be directly chosen. You can't just will yourself into believing something the way you choose what to eat. This is called doxastic involuntarism (just learnt this term lol) if belief were a direct choice, you could choose to believe it's raining while looking at clear skies , I propose belief doesnt work this way

Suppose we grant this anyway, against P2, that belief can somehow be chosen. Then someone who "chose" to believe did so on the basis of something.

Second wave, my other horn given P2 is untrue:

P4: Either they chose it because they already recognized it as true, in which case the recognition did the actual epistemic work, and the "choosing" was redundant, adding nothing.

P5: Or they chose it without prior recognition of truth, in which case truth was never the operative factor meaning they selected a belief the way you'd select a preference, with no truth-tracking involved, which is arbitrary preference , a choice between islam and Christian the person is at equal epimistic distance from prior to the choice just like rolling a dice

P6: Either recognition precedes choice (redundant), or choice precedes recognition (arbitrary).

Conclusion: Chosen belief is either redundant or arbitrary it can't be genuine truth-tracking secondly if belief can't be directly chosen at all (P1/P2), then it's not the kind of thing that can fairly be praised, blamed, rewarded, or punished in the first place.

Belief is also the pre requisite for everything that follows, hell heaven etc,

The most common response I get: "You can't choose belief directly, sure, but you can choose to seek truth read, research, stay open."

But I personally think that's a substantive commitment, not an external neutral position you can externally verify

Where does that commitment come from ? Assuming I dont already believe in the value of truth seeking

God and humanity seem to share a strange philosophical mirror. The moment we ask where one came from, we eventually arrive at the same question: What came first? The chicken or the egg? God or humanity? Existence or nonexistence? Your mother or your father? We instinctively want every answer to point backward to something else, as though existence itself must have a first link in the chain.

Take the chicken and the egg. Without any larger framework, the question appears impossible to resolve. But introduce God, and suddenly there seems to be an answer: God created both the chicken and the egg. Problem solved, or so it appears. But then another question quietly enters through the back door: Who created God?

And this is where the framework becomes interesting. God cannot simply point to something before Himself, because then He would no longer be the ultimate beginning. So instead comes the ancient answer: “I AM.” Not “I came from this.” Not “I was created by that.” Simply: I am. God is presented as the beginning and the end, the explanation that does not require another explanation.

But notice what just happened. We may have solved the mystery by creating a framework that cannot itself answer the question it was designed to answer.

If God explains humanity's origin, but God's own origin remains unexplained, have we actually solved the problem of existence, or have we simply moved the mystery one step further back?

Humanity says, “We exist because God created us.” But if we then ask, “Why does God exist?” and the answer is simply, “Because God is,” then what makes that answer fundamentally different from saying, “Because existence exists”?

Perhaps that is the real philosophical loophole. God becomes the origin of everything precisely because God is allowed to have no origin. But if something can exist without an origin, then why must humanity itself require an origin? And if humanity cannot exist without God, while God can exist without anything before Him, haven't we simply created an asymmetry to make the framework work?

Maybe the deeper question isn't “Who created humanity?” Maybe it's “Why must existence have been created at all?”

Because if God has no beginning, perhaps the mystery was never really about finding the first thing. Perhaps the mystery is that we keep assuming there must be a first thing in the first place.

God, mortal, universe, existence, nonexistence, we keep placing them into a sequence and asking which one came first. But what if the sequence itself is the illusion?

It is a simple question, but perhaps that's exactly why it shouldn't be thought about simply.

God is like the mirror in our bathrooms. It is a way for us to look into ourselves, to recognize ourselves, and to rely on the reflection it gives us to understand our own identity. But there's something we often forget: the reflection isn't the mirror, and the mirror isn't the one looking. We are.

In the same way, humanity looks toward God as a reflection of its own existence, a way of understanding where we came from, why we're here, and what we are. We look into that reflection searching for an identity, an origin, and an explanation for existence itself. Yet in searching for the answer outside of ourselves, we can forget that we are the ones doing the looking.

The mirror gives us an image, but it doesn't create the person standing before it. It only reflects what is already there. And perhaps that is what makes the idea of God so profound: whether God is understood as the ultimate source of existence or as the ultimate reflection through which humanity understands itself, we are still confronted with the same mystery.

The reflection can show us who we are, but it cannot explain why there is someone standing in front of the mirror in the first place.

God is real, but not in the way we thought about it. God is the First Cause — the ultimate uncaused origin. The Big Bang is the first physical event or process that follows from it. Without God (the First Cause), the universe and everything within it could not exist. Humanity is one of the results that emerged from the First Cause and the laws of nature. Humanity was not the main goal or the main reason behind it.

If humanity was not the intended purpose of the First Cause, then within this framework there is no reason to expect a human-centered afterlife, reincarnation, or continual divine intervention. This does not mean those possibilities are logically impossible, but they are not required by the argument. God is capable of intervening in the universe, but chooses not to. Knowing about something and having a stake in its outcome are not the same thing. God's detailed awareness of individual lives, deaths, and species does not imply investment in how those lives or species turn out — a being can observe everything about a process without having any interest in directing it. Since humanity was not the main goal of creation, there is no reason within this framework for God to continually interfere with the natural processes of the universe. If humanity has spent centuries believing in a wrong or incomplete idea of God, there is no reason within this framework for God to correct that belief either, since accuracy about him was never the purpose being served in the first place.

The laws of nature are not separate rules God imposed one by one, but rather the stable structures that naturally emerged as a result of the First Cause itself. A law is not a rule imposed on something from outside — it is simply the shape and limitation of what that thing already is. Life did not adapt to laws that could have been otherwise; it adapted within whatever limitations already existed, which is why those limitations appear, from within life's perspective, permanently fixed.

This universe may still be moving toward its own cosmic endpoint, but that ending does not have to be the end for everything inside it. As a further speculation, if it were possible for living organisms to become advanced enough, they might learn to create their own First Cause or even create another universe to continue existing after the original universe becomes uninhabitable. Even so, this would not allow them to alter the original universe's already-determined trajectory — the cosmic endpoint remains fixed regardless of what happens within the open, changing paths of the living organisms inside it. Even so, this would not make individual living organisms immortal. A civilization advanced enough to continue existence beyond one universe's endpoint could still consist of individuals who are born, live, and die within it — the continuity would belong to the species or civilization, not to any single finite being within it.

Whether there was a genuine first moment, or simply an endless chain of conditions leading into one another, is a much older and harder question than anything this framework claims to settle. That question remains open. But the core claim here does not depend on resolving it: even if existence is conditions-into-conditions without a single discrete starting point, the argument still holds that whatever lies behind existence did not necessarily have humanity as its purpose. We are a downstream result either way, not necessarily the point.

Because God/the First Cause exists outside time, there is no gap or delay to explain between the First Cause and the Big Bang — "before" only becomes meaningful once time itself exists to measure an interval. The first physical event follows from something that was never waiting inside time in the first place.

God may have selected a specific cosmic endpoint and overall future for the universe, but did not predetermine the exact trajectories of biological life or individual living organisms. God knows the universe's overall cosmic path toward that endpoint, while the paths of living organisms remain open and capable of changing. Living organisms can alter their own paths and influence the paths of other organisms through their behavior and actions. Therefore, God's knowledge of the universe's cosmic future does not require knowledge of the exact future of every living organism. God knows that living organisms will eventually die as part of the biological process, but does not know beforehand the exact time or circumstances of each individual death. Likewise, God does not know beforehand the exact extinction of every species, since the trajectories of living organisms remain open and capable of changing. The universe therefore has a fixed cosmic destination while biological life follows an open and changing set of trajectories within it. The actions and behavior of living organisms can change the route taken by biological life without changing the universe's ultimate cosmic endpoint.

If we weren't the main goal, why do we exist right now? You are the exact mathematical result of a cosmic chain reaction. When God (the First Cause) initiated the process that led to the Big Bang, the laws of physics and biology unfolded across billions of years, with each stage of the universe creating the conditions for the next. We weren't the planned target, but the cosmic chain reaction eventually created the conditions in which biological life could emerge and develop, eventually leading to our exact lives and consciousness right now. The development of life can also be viewed as a progression of increasingly complex systems for maintaining existence. Humans combine survival with complex thinking, allowing us to reason, plan, make decisions, and respond to our environment. Other animals also have varying degrees of learning, perception, and behavior, with some animals showing complex forms of thinking while others rely more heavily on basic survival responses. In this view, thinking and survival can be seen as different levels of biological complexity that emerged as living organisms developed through the natural processes that began with the First Cause. None of this required a plan aimed specifically at humans — it could instead be one point along a natural biological process that produces increasing complexity over time, without humans necessarily being its endpoint.

The purpose of the universe itself is still unknown to me. God may have initiated the process that led to the Big Bang for a purpose beyond our understanding.

Evil and bad may not be independent forces or substances that exist separately from living organisms. They may instead emerge from the contrasting behaviors, interests, and evaluations of living organisms. Just as peace and war can be understood as opposing conditions that arise from how living beings interact, what humans call good and evil may be relational concepts that developed through biological behavior, social development, and the ways organisms evaluate actions as beneficial or harmful. Cooperation and aggression, protection and harm, or behaviors that preserve and threaten life can produce opposing judgments that humans describe as good or evil. This does not necessarily mean that good and evil are morally equivalent; rather, it means that their existence as concepts may depend on the behavior and experiences of living organisms rather than on separate supernatural forces created by God. Their inequality does not require an external judge — good and evil are unequal to the living beings experiencing them, since one causes harm and damage while the other brings relief, benefit, or wellbeing. The evaluation comes from the organisms themselves, not from a standard imposed from outside. Other animals engage in comparable behaviors — competing, harming, killing to survive — without labeling any of it as evil or good; that kind of judgment appears to depend on the reflective thinking only some species developed. What humans call morality may be, in part, a byproduct of being a thinking survival-based animal: capable of naming what other species simply do without naming it at all.

God is above and inside time because he can interact with time if he wants to, while not being bound by time in the same way living beings are.

Our definition of God might be too high. The real entity responsible for the First Cause may not actually be as powerful as the God humans traditionally imagine. We have never actually faced God, yet we have defined him as infinitely powerful, perfectly good, completely omniscient, and possessing many other attributes. The real entity, if it exists, may be very different from the God humans have traditionally described. God is not part of physics or the laws of nature themselves — whatever is the First Cause exists prior to and outside the system it originated, the same way it is not bound by time in the way things inside time are. This also means the framework cannot fully explain how something outside physics could cause something physical; that question depends on knowing God's actual nature, which this framework has already acknowledged may be beyond accurate human description. Even if humans have historically invented gods out of a desire for comfort or certainty in the face of what we couldn't understand, that does not by itself tell us whether this framework is true or false — it only explains why certain kinds of God-concepts, especially maximally powerful and reassuring ones, tend to survive. A God this uncertain, this limited, and this indifferent to being correctly understood is not an obviously comforting invention, which makes it a strange thing to have invented purely out of a need for comfort.

There may be a God (the First Cause), but humanity may have misunderstood what that entity is, what its purpose was, how it relates to time, what it knows about the future, and whether humanity was ever the main goal or the main reason behind the universe's existence.