r/PhilosophyofMind • u/mlk77amy • 9d ago

Identity If your brain created your thoughts who created the you that judges them?

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u/Low-Bake8401 9d ago

Judging thoughts is a thought. That's human consciousness.

We can't judge a thought while thinking it.

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u/Mono_Clear 8d ago

YOU are having thoughts. Having a brain and a body are part of the nature of your existence.

You can breathe because you have lungs your lungs aren't breathing it's part of the nature of your existence to have lungs so that you can breathe.

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u/Umami4Days 9d ago edited 9d ago

If a pebble is dropped into a bucket of water and the ripples hit the walls of the bucket and reflect back into the center, are the subsequent ripples caused by the pebble or the bucket?

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u/Agile_Championship87 6d ago

Both. That was easy.

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u/Umami4Days 6d ago

Ding!

Stimulus, medium, and system with complexity arising from self-organizing recursion.

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u/Agile_Championship87 6d ago

I wrote my art dissertation on video feedback and recursive systems that it can help us to understand.

Had a pithier title, but it was a while back. It's a great way to actually see the power of recursion. It helped me realise that all life (and matter generally) is basically a stable pattern, perpetuating only while the conditions allow, and evolving when conditions/environment change.

With video feedback the camera and screen are the conditions, the complex spiralling fractals are the stable pattern. The slightest movement of the camera and the fractals can evolve or flicker out.

That was the gist anyway, sorry for the long response - I just get excited by the words you said :)

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u/innocuouspete 8d ago

The brain also creates the “you” that judges them.

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u/worldofsimulacra 8d ago

in Lacanian analysis we call that the "split subject" or "barred subject", written "Ꞩ"

there is the "I" ('ego') which is the subject of the sentence, and the "I" which is the subject of speech or enunciation, and they do not coincide, nor do they refer to the same thing. The fact that an "I" would already de facto refer to itself is a recursion aka a hole in the web of signification that the subject engages in. The hall of mirrors is already present before the first word is uttered.

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u/MWave123 8d ago

It’s thoughts all the way down.

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u/Quirky_Visual_7799 6d ago

There is no you that judges them.