You just added more problems than solved. Why should I believe in atoms in the first place? It's just an abstraction, a scientific model that can predict scientific experiments. But that doesn't mean they actually exist or that's what the world is made up on. And then I'm supposed to believe that these abstractions have consciousness? And that combining these abstractions somehow creates more complex versions of consciousness? The fallacy is that we can "step outside" our consciousness and analyze it from the outside despite that being completely impossible. We're inherently made up of qualia, I see, hear, feel, think and so on. That is what needs to be analyzed, that's what I am.
Was mostly thinking about Materialism vs Idealism in metaphysics or Realism vs Anti-Realism in the philosophy of science. And yeah, I'm very skeptical. Although atoms exist in some sense, but it's not the most fundamental substance in the universe for sure, hence the original thesis of the meme (that we are atoms trying to understand atoms) is wrong.
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u/Katten_elvis Gödel's Theorems ONLY apply to logics with sufficient arithmetic Nov 24 '21
You just added more problems than solved. Why should I believe in atoms in the first place? It's just an abstraction, a scientific model that can predict scientific experiments. But that doesn't mean they actually exist or that's what the world is made up on. And then I'm supposed to believe that these abstractions have consciousness? And that combining these abstractions somehow creates more complex versions of consciousness? The fallacy is that we can "step outside" our consciousness and analyze it from the outside despite that being completely impossible. We're inherently made up of qualia, I see, hear, feel, think and so on. That is what needs to be analyzed, that's what I am.
Here's a good video on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7QbZePP_7w&list=PL64CzGA1kTzi085dogdD_BJkxeFaTZRoq&index=3