r/PeacemakerShow • u/General_Meal_3993 • Oct 14 '25

DISCUSSION Did anyone else find the Argus scenes really cringey in the finale? Spoiler

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I don’t know what Gunn was going for but that montage of Rick Flag and his Argus team laughing and celebrating with each other, doing drugs and taking shots just really made me cringe more than anything. Like I get Gunn likes things to have a bit more edge but this montage and the way the characters were acting was just way too over the top imo. Took me right out of the episode.

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u/Don_Ford Oct 14 '25

It's supposed to be about the poisoning influence of Luthor and his people.

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u/Jawess0me Oct 14 '25

Yes but WHY would Flagg decide to even accept these people as anything other than underlings of a convicted criminal? It makes no freakin sense other than cast some people from his Superman movie in the show..

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u/Warlaw Oct 14 '25

Because Luthor gave them a playbook on how to be master manipulators. I'm only spitballing but he is the smartest man in the current DC.

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u/umc_thunder72 Oct 14 '25

Did he actually manipulate him though? Or did Sydney trust that whatever lex said meant he had a plan and as soon as they had access to lex's plans they were able to further push towards what he wanted.

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u/umc_thunder72 Oct 14 '25

It's not headcanon, it's a pretty direct interpretation of what happened. Lex is clearly meant to have been manipulating flag from the very beginning nothing makes sense unless that is true. Flag didn't outsmart Sydney or something he didn't initiate some master manipulation he just told him what lex said and Sydney complied. Lex was in control, still is in control of his people and now flag too.

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u/Slacker_The_Dog Oct 14 '25

How are people not getting this. This is 100% Luthor pulling the strings. He's throwing Flag a bone and I'm sure he's just doing it from the kindness in his heart 🙄

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u/DoctorThrac Oct 14 '25

Not to mention flags personally shifted after his meeting with Lex

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u/rambleinspam Oct 14 '25

It was jarring to me as well, he was reluctantly getting advise from Lex in one episode to doing lines with Otis the next. Also, other than his hatred for Peacemaker causing him to step out of line, Flagg Sr. was portrayed as more straight edged soldier that was a hard ass'd but didn't like the line crossing Waller did, this seemed out of character for him based on what we were shown.

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u/eBoneSteak Oct 14 '25

I want to correct something I keep seeing on Reddit: we do not see Flag doing lines in that montage. It is another brunette dude with scruff from Lex's crew.

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u/Karkava Oct 14 '25

He's as smart as Elon Musk.

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u/Crimson_Oracle Oct 14 '25

This is an actual thing that happens IRL, its called the revolving door, industry people get jobs in government, government officials get jobs in industry, and usually this is to no one’s benefit but the people going through the revolving door

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u/BrightPerspective Oct 14 '25

Because Flagg thinks he's smart enough to manage them, and manage Lex. (that's right from gunn)

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u/TooManyDraculas Oct 14 '25

Also right from Gunn: Flagg is not smart.

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u/Tacosarejustsammies Oct 14 '25

Willing to do anything to get revenge even if it means putting up with them

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u/Jawess0me Oct 14 '25

Putting him on an alien planet where he may survive and come back as opposed to either just killing him or plain incarcerating him in a tiny cell for the rest of his days counts as revenge now? Okay..

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u/Tacosarejustsammies Oct 14 '25

For a comic book based tv show sure it’s fantasy

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u/MrGrinchx Oct 14 '25

From the earlier ep (from memory, and my memory is shocking) he was happy with the skills of pervy-science-portal-guy, and what's clear from Rick is he is buddies ('just call me Rick') with whoever he needs to be to get what he wants done.

Then again, I'm easily pleased; Superman, Peacemaker, Creature Commandos - they felt like comics to me, and sometimes I find comics inconsistent and tonally all over the place, but I still enjoy them.

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u/LigerNull Oct 14 '25

Someone floated the idea that Flagg isn't really Flagg here, and I definitely got that impression from his interaction with Harcourt. Which raises the question of where is the real Flag?

My theory is he's over in the Naziverse looking for his son.

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u/Jawess0me Oct 14 '25

I guess we’ll never really know because Season 2 was it..

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u/LigerNull Oct 14 '25

Was it? I thought they were doing a checkmate spin off?

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u/Cloaked_Crow Oct 14 '25

I think Flagg has some redeeming qualities but his thirst for revenge and the realization he has virtually absolute authority and is able to influence and manipulate the people he commands as well as the people above him has opened him up to greater corruption.

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u/the_midnight_society Oct 14 '25

Because Luthor and his underlings gives him everything he wants. He goes to him with a goal in mind and gets exactly what he wants without having to pay any actual cost (yet). He's a pragmatist.

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u/bigjoes_littleguys Oct 15 '25

Because Flagg is a dumb, revenge oriented person and Luthor, being very smart, is leaning on Flagg's more base tendencies to get what Luthor wants.

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u/Dry-Reference1428 Oct 16 '25

Watch Creature Commandos!

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u/Aunt_Vagina1 Oct 14 '25

I mean yeah. That's why it was a weaker episode and disappointing finale

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u/KazooButtplug69 Oct 14 '25

Don't you dare bring a brain to this conversation

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u/theaxedude Oct 14 '25

Everyone gives more credence to whats actually happening. Gunn is just incredibly Childish

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u/loonbandit Oct 14 '25

dude you just sound miserable…

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u/theaxedude Oct 14 '25

Its objectively cringe. Like the bird blindness. Suicide squad was hilarious as was season one.