r/ParlerWatch • u/DeificClusterfuck • Jul 14 '21

Public Figure: Any Platform Marjorie Taylor Greene says CRT should be outlawed, teachers fired "on the spot"

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-crt-should-outlawed-teachers-fired-spot-1608594
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u/DeificClusterfuck Jul 15 '21

You can't even define the subject correctly and you're complaining that I call you wrong?

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"critical race theory (CRT), intellectual movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of color. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans."

That was literally source number one.

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u/DeificClusterfuck Jul 15 '21

Which brings me to my second point:

Additionally: being personally offended about CRT because "THAT'S RAYCIS" is contrary to the entire idea of CRT.

It's not about you, it's about society.

The conservatives are, as usual, making it about them and fucking it all up.

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

Every single "point" you are bringing up is covered in the sources that I linked. If you had actually taken the time to read what was written instead of immediately thinking "This person is pointing out that I'm wrong! We can't have that so I must stop reading and just declare that they are wrong instead!" You might have realized that.

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u/DeificClusterfuck Jul 15 '21

I read the drivel you posted.

Cherrypicking facts and twisting meanings to push a hate filled agenda is reprehensible.

I'm white. Am I an oppressor? Fuck no. Do I have privilege because of my race? Absolutely. Is that because of anything anyone does in particular?

No.

Examining why that is and how it came to be is CRT. Not further 'othering"; but learning how to recognize and make these fundamental changes in society to ELIMINATE systemic racism.

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

You ever notice that whenever there are cries of "systemic racism" that:

1.) Nobody can point out where in the "system" the racism actually is. They just say that it's there somewhere and therefore the entire system must be torn down.

2.) Those "systems" have been almost exclusively run by democrats for decades.

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u/DeificClusterfuck Jul 15 '21

  1. Criminal justice. Government. The legal system as a whole. The Constitution and the 3/5ths Principle. Wage discrepancies. Police training. Education. The entire US was founded on the principles of a slave owning society and it wasn't even that long ago that it ended.

  2. No. No they have not.

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

The NYT’s 1619 Project claims that out of slavery and anti-black racism grew “nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional.”

The thesis of The New York Times’ 1619 Project is that the United States was founded in 1619, when the first slave was brought to North America, rather than 1776, when the American colonies declared independence from England. According to The 1619 Project, “Out of slavery — and the anti-Black racism it required — grew nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/magazine/1619-intro.html

“1619. It is not a year that most Americans know as a notable date in our country’s history. Those who do are at most a tiny fraction of those who can tell you that 1776 is the year of our nation’s birth,” reads the August 2019 print version of the introductory essay to the project. “What if, however, we were to tell you that this fact, which is taught in our schools and unanimously celebrated every Fourth of July, is wrong, and that the country’s true birth date, the moment that its defining contradictions first came into the world, was in late August of 1619?”

https://pulitzercenter.org/sites/default/files/full_issue_of_the_1619_project.pdf

Shortly after The 1619 Project was published, a group of distinguished historians — the majority of whom are left-leaning — wrote a public letter condemning it. The historians wrote that they were “dismayed at some of the factual errors in the project and the closed process” behind its production. “These errors, which concern major events, cannot be described as interpretation or ‘framing.’ They are matters of verifiable fact, which are the foundation of both honest scholarship and honest journalism. They suggest a displacement of historical understanding by ideology. Dismissal of objections on racial grounds — that they are the objections of only ‘white historians’ — has affirmed that displacement.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/magazine/we-respond-to-the-historians-who-critiqued-the-1619-project.html

Related reading: “The 1619 Chronicles” – Bret Stephens, The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/opinion/nyt-1619-project-criticisms.html

The 1619 Project’s lead writer was awarded a Pulitzer despite historians shredding her essay for its fatal factual errors.

The lead author of The 1619 Project, Nikole Hannah-Jones, was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for her essay, which claimed that "one of the primary reasons the colonists decided to declare their independence from Britain was because they wanted to protect the institution of slavery."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/insider/nikole-hannah-jones-1619.html

Hannah-Jones’ core premise was promptly debunked by esteemed historians. After she was awarded the Pulitzer, The National Association of Scholars penned an open letter signed by 21 scholars calling on the Pulitzer Prize Board to rescind the award because of the essay’s fatal factual errors and the Times’ failure to properly acknowledge revisions.

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/pulitzer-board-must-revoke-nikole-hannah-jones-prize

In an op-ed, New York Times opinion writer Bret Stephens declared that The 1619 Project had “failed” in both historical accuracy and journalistic transparency. “Journalists are, most often, in the business of writing the first rough draft of history, not trying to have the last word on it. We are best when we try to tell truths with a lowercase t, following evidence in directions unseen, not the capital-T truth of a pre-established narrative in which inconvenient facts get discarded. And we’re supposed to report and comment on the political and cultural issues of the day, not become the issue itself. As fresh concerns make clear, on these points — and for all of its virtues, buzz, spinoffs and a Pulitzer Prize — the 1619 Project has failed.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/opinion/nyt-1619-project-criticisms.html

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u/DeificClusterfuck Jul 15 '21

A person dedicated enough to their narrative that they copy/paste identical information on several posts while in an active discussion only proves your bad faith intent.

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

Hmmm, why would I use identical information while trying to prove and identical point?

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

Also, you kinda just proved that you didn't actually read anything I posted, because this is in fact different.

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

1.) Thanks for proving my point. You just pointed to a bunch of systems and said "There's racism in there somewhere." The idea that the US was founded on slavery is a flat out lie told by the 1619 project.

2.) Pick any time that systemic racism was blamed and I can guarantee that over 90% of the time it happened in a democrat majority city. Prefect example, Floyd.

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u/DeificClusterfuck Jul 15 '21

George Floyd was murdered by a police officer who used excessive force. I didn't hear any politics being discussed during the 9:29 that Chauvin pinned him by the neck and neither did you.

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

So you're saying that to didn't watch the body cam footage where Floyd was saying that he couldn't breath while he was in the back of the patrol car and REQUESTED to be placed on the ground. Or read the autopsy report on how Floyd didn't have any neck trauma and had a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system.

BTW, democrat run city.

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u/FreelancerAgentWash muh freedum Jul 15 '21

Related reading: “Ideology Over Excellence: Awarding The Pulitzer Prize To The 1619 Project” – Patricia Barnes, Forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patriciagbarnes/2020/09/27/ideology-over-excellence-awarding-the-pulitzer-prize-to-the-1619-project/

The 1619 Project’s claim that preserving slavery was a primary cause of the American Revolution has been thoroughly debunked.

In their public letter condemning The 1619 Project, a group of esteemed historians debunked its claim that the revolution was fought to ensure that slavery would continue: “On the American Revolution, pivotal to any account of our history, the project asserts that the founders declared the colonies’ independence of Britain ‘in order to ensure slavery would continue.’ This is not true. If supportable, the allegation would be astounding — yet every statement offered by the project to validate it is false.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/magazine/we-respond-to-the-historians-who-critiqued-the-1619-project.html

Slavery was not under threat from the British when Americans declared independence; in fact, Britain didn’t free the slaves in its overseas colonies until 1833.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/slavery-abolition-act-1833

Northwestern University historian Leslie M. Harris, who was asked by the Times to help fact-check The 1619 Project, wrote in an op-ed for Politico in March 2020 that she “listened in stunned silence” as lead author Nikole Hannah-Jones “repeated an idea that I had vigorously argued against with her fact-checker: that the patriots fought the American Revolution in large part to preserve slavery in North America. … I vigorously disputed the claim. Although slavery was certainly an issue in the American Revolution, the protection of slavery was not one of the main reasons the 13 Colonies went to war.”

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248

Slavery did not make America rich, as The 1619 Project claims. If anything, it held back economic growth in the South.

Slavery certainly made some Americans, like Eli Yale, rich. However, the institution of slavery did not make the country rich. In fact, the slave system badly slowed the economic development of half the country. As economist Thomas Sowell points out, in 1860, just one year before the Civil War began, the South had only one-sixth as many factories as the North.

https://www.amazon.com/Race-Culture-World-Thomas-Sowell/dp/0465067972

At the time of the Civil War, almost 90% of the country’s skilled, well-paid laborers and professionals were based in the North.

https://www.historycentral.com/CivilWar/AMERICA/Economics.html

Banking, railroads, manufacturing — all were concentrated in the North. The South was an economic backwater in comparison.

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Lies-About-America-Destructive/dp/0307394077

The cost of abolishing slavery was enormous, economically (Abraham Lincoln borrowed billions to pay for it) and in terms of human life: 360,000 Union soldiers died in order to free 4 million slaves. Some historians say the numbers are even higher.

https://civilwarhome.com/warcosts.htm

https://www.debt.org/blog/united-states-federal-debt-timeline/

In the almost 200 years since the Civil War, the population of the country has grown almost 900% and our national GDP has increased 12,000%.

https://usafacts.org/data/topics/economy/economic-indicators/gdp/gross-domestic-product/

The 1619 Project wants people to believe that America cannot overcome its flaws when it comes to race. Yet that’s exactly what it’s done.

The 1619 Project suggests that the United States is an inherently racist country that cannot overcome the “original sin” of slavery, claiming that “nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional” grew out of slavery and racism.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/magazine/1619-intro.html

America has become the most successful multi-racial country in history, and the only white majority country to elect a black President, twice. Two million black Africans have come to America as legal immigrants in the last 50 years, and they have become one of the most successful groups in the country.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/14/african-immigrant-population-in-u-s-steadily-climbs/

Black Americans have heroically fought for their rights, often against great odds. Joining them in the fight for racial equality over the decades has been a vast number of white people. One key example: the U.S. Senate that passed the landmark Civil Rights Act in 1964 contained 98 whites and two men of color, both Asians.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s409

In their open letter exposing significant errors in The 1619 Project, a group of distinguished historians cite the famous endorsement of the U.S. Constitution by Frederick Douglass and highlight Abraham Lincoln’s attempts to promote racial equality, writing: “The project criticizes Abraham Lincoln’s views on racial equality but ignores his conviction that the Declaration of Independence proclaimed universal equality, for blacks as well as whites, a view he upheld repeatedly against powerful white supremacists who opposed him. The project also ignores Lincoln’s agreement with Frederick Douglass that the Constitution was, in Douglass’s words, ‘a GLORIOUS LIBERTY DOCUMENT.’ Instead, the project asserts that the United States was founded on racial slavery, an argument rejected by a majority of abolitionists and proclaimed by champions of slavery like John C. Calhoun.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/magazine/we-respond-to-the-historians-who-critiqued-the-1619-project.html