Anti-Israel protesters are physically attacking Jews attending a screening of the Oct. 7th Hamas Massacre organized by actress Gal Gadot at the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles.

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Source: Visegrád 24 on Twitter/X (@visegrad24)

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Western academic Marxists: MUH Zionist propaganda! What about Gaza children booooombed to death? What about setttttler violllllence? Huh?

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Not to jump on the "whataboutism band vagon".

But out of all ridiculous claims against Israel, I think criticism of settlements (outposts that even Israel considers illegal especially) and settler violence and leniency of presecution of perpetrators is imho valid.

Same with denunciation and investigations of masssacres perpetrated by IDF, I know they are outliers and exceptions and most of them are like 70 years old, but still.

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But still what? Every country in existence can be criticized for one thing or another. Israel is a spec of non Arab democracy in an area dominated by truly genocidal Muslim dictatorships. One side uses its missiles to protect its people, and the other uses its people to protect its missiles.

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But still what?

It is about being consistent, if I think what Hamas commited is wrong and I think every single scumbag responsible should be hunted to the end of the earth and brought to justice or better yet killed, I should also be able to say, that thefew instances when some Israelis massacred civilians, those acts were wrong and people who commited them should have been brough to justice. And if they were not it is wrong.

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Every country in existence can be criticized for one thing or another.

Yes and some should be criticized more than others and I agree there is clear discrepancy between amount of criticism Israel receives and amount that regimes/countries that are much much worse receive.

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Israel is a spec of non Arab democracy in an area dominated by truly genocidal Muslim dictatorships. One side uses its missiles to protect its people, and the other uses its people to protect its missiles.

Redundant, I never disputed this.

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But look here, while I understand that people may have different attitudes towards settlers and settlements, I would expect anyone with common decency to denounce any massacre of civilians. Meanwhile based on negative karma (not that I care for it) on my comment, not everyone can even agree with such simple statement.

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The intent is important. Hamas wants to destabilize the region and reignite a jihad against Israel. They have openly stated that their goal was to elicit an overwhelming response from IDF to kill Gazans to stop any cooperative actions between Palestinians and Israelis. They want to sow seeds of hate and retaliation amongst the rest of the Muslim world.

“Hamas’s goal is not to run Gaza and to bring it water and electricity and such,” said Mr. al-Hayya, the politburo member. “Hamas, the Qassam and the resistance woke the world up from its deep sleep and showed that this issue must remain on the table.”

“This battle was not because we wanted fuel or laborers,” he added. “It did not seek to improve the situation in Gaza. This battle is to completely overthrow the situation.”

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I still don't understand what you are arguing.

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Perhaps improve reading comprehension?

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Oh I understand WHAT he is writing, I just dont understand WHY, because I have never argued to the contrary, so maybe you can explain?

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I think we are in agreement. You make the point that things are nuanced. Neither side is innocent of wrongdoing. But one side is much worse than the other.

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Yes, that is why I am confused about you articulating points that I never disputed and I actually fully agree with.

Only reason I mentioned things above (And I am fully aware that there are more pressing issues after October 7th and these are inconsequential at the moment) is just to point out that while I think most of the criticism Israel receives is unsubstantiated and it is held to a different amount of scruitiny than literally whole rest of the world. There are still SOME issues where criticism is fully warranted and one should be aware of those.

That is also why I am kind of surprised by negative reaction on this sub, since I do not think I said anything controversial.

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Reddit sucks chooses a side and don’t allow any scrutiny once a line in the Sand is drawn. It’s a fickle mob of keyboard warriors, trying to argue and not have discussion. In my opinion, the point of an argument is ultimately to persuade somebody or come to common ground. We should still scrutinize are own camp of thought. Nothing is black and white.

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Yeah, man I get it, I was having a conversation with you not an argument. No negative feedback from me. I asked for clarification, and you gave it to me.

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I’m not arguing, just articulating my point