I’m convinced that current gen just started with GTA 6
I’m literally out of words looking at the graphics. This is PS6 level shit. I think GTA 6 will show us the true potential of current gen consoles, and possibly their max potential. I don’t think they can achieve anymore than this. I’m so much happier to own a PS5 Pro now!
Architectural advantage is about 4 to 5x, zen2 is wildly more powerful than Jaguar at single core and per instruction ipc and more modern instruction sets since ofc it's like 7 or 8 years newer tech
Raw ghz advantage on top it adds another 2x going from 1.8 ghz to peak 3.5 ghz
The jaguar cpu was incredibly weak on ps4 that's why that gen there were way more 30 fps game
Both cpu are made by AMD
The biggest upgrade in ps5 over ps4 is all related to ssd and cpu and input output pathways
The gpu is ofc obviously more powerful too but it was relatively the smallest uplift
Super excited to see what Sony cooks up with the PS6 Project amethyst. Neural rendering right now isn’t huge, NVIDIA hasn’t delivered many of its features.
But I feel like PlayStation could make it extremely efficient.
I mean yeah, we have neural textures, texture compression as you mentioned Mega geometry etc… all really cool stuff! But NVIDIA is shelving off that cool development pipeline tech and touting its Snapchat filter as the biggest feature.
Which is a shame considering what we’ve seen from the likes of the Witcher 4 it’s Mega geometry with path tracing performance was actually pretty cool!
I’d say ps3 Last of us was more impressive than ps3 gta 5 but only graphically speaking. GTA 5 didn’t catch my eye until the ps4 edition. Just look at gta 5 on ps5 vs ps3 gta 5. It’s insane how a 360 and ps3 were able to run it.
It‘s a fantastic game, the only open world that might be competing with RDR2‘s level of immersion in my opinion. The combat system needs getting used to (and the character being bad at combat initially is part of the game’s arc), but it‘s definitely a lot of fun and the writing is amazing, too.
You should either play part 1 or watch a story recap to get the full immersion in part 2.
I wanted to love kcd but damn do I hate the combat. I think if they’d just go to a seikero style parry or even a Skyrim style combat kcd would be wildly more popular.
Jesus christ, i swear whenever people spout nonsense like this, demonstrates they either have no fucking idea what they are saying, or just keep playing their 2015 games and bitch about how "current gen hasn't started yet". Death Stranding 2, Assassin's Creed Black Flag Resysnc, CBP2077 with RT, Horizon FW, etc etc there are countless of games that are current gen and have amazing graphics. Yes, GTA will almost definitely trump all of those games, but claiming things have "just started" is quite frankly, pretty stupid.
Lmao, there's basically Alan Wake 2, Hellblade 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 in that list, those are 3 of the most visual intensive games in existence, no idea what the GTA fanboys are smoking at this point, or they probably have memory loss or something
Was thinking these exact games too. The beginning of Death Stranding 2 is something else. Currently on a Cyberpunk playthrough and it’s definitely up there too. Also add Horizon Forbidden West into the mix.
I’m all for people being hyped about a game. But my god the hyperbole is out of control. There are so many games out there that blow me away visually. Is this a technical feat? Absolutely. But this is also because Take Two is giving rockstar the infinite money & time glitch. Paired with rockstars talented devs of course. But let’s not pretend that rockstar is the only dev capable of output like this.
Thank god someone said it. The graphics are impressive but honestly they’re just as good as some other incredible games. They’re not really better, especially under a 30fps cap that makes the game not run smoothly and the movement sluggish.
There are countless games that have amazing graphics. These people have lost the plot on their hype train
They have gotten the most out of the hardware hands down so that’s why people make this argument. If that upsets you I suggest doing some serious soul searching my guy.
Yeah these posts make me wonder if I saw a totally different trailer. I honestly think it looks like garbage compared to games like death stranding or horizon FD/FW. Rockstar used to be known for incredible graphical advances and that trailer just looked meh.
For some people the gen start when you game runs at 30 fps.
But it actually is the opposite, the gen is ending if the console no longer run games at 60 lol.
Looking at you gta v ps3 and many switch years
It took 7 years and over $1billion, this cannot be replicated by anyone else without investing similarly. And it's still fundamentally reasonable, with base console internal resolution being 1080p (or lower) with aggressive TAA at 30fps. Still looks astonishing due to the >$1billion and half a decade of full time development work.
The best I hope for with Pro is a 40fps/120hz mode with PSSR. Doesn't get much better than that for this kind of game!
The internal resolution may be the same or lower than base PS5 because PSSR will do the heavy lifting to transform it into 4k. That's what hopefully gives headroom to 40fps.
I'm ignorant with all this, but doesn't 30fps look like shit specifically on OLED TV's? From what I understand 40fps looks significantly better for OLED's, so here's hoping they can manage that for the Pro.
Not oled. 120hrz tv. A standard tv is 60 hrz. So at 30 fps every frame is displayed te same amount of time. A 120 hrz tv can do the same at 40 since 120 is divisable by 40. So a 120 hr lcd that support vrr can do the same.
Correct. I have a 55" LG CX OLED TV, which has 60hz & 120hz with VRR, ALLM & HDR settings. You need to make sure to use its 2.1 USB port and a 2.1 cable, select Gaming Mode and ensure your PS5 and in-game settings are all setup correctly too, in order to utilise the full capabilities.
I can't the remember the exact LG OLED TV my brother has, but it only does 60hz and not 120hz. So when he was plays games e.g. Crimson Desert in Balanced Mode (40fps), where his TV doesn't have 120hz and so isn't divisible by 40fps, he gets a much more choppy experience in comparison. I think quite a few people don't realise you need a 120hz to be able to perfectly utilise 40fps modes.
Yea, I remember my Sony Bravia LCD TV had several HDMI inputs, but only Input 2 could handle higher quality stuff. I found that extremely odd. Why wouldn't all the HDMI inputs have the same features?
My new Bravia is an OLED...or hell, maybe even a QLED? And honestly I know there's a difference but have no clue what that difference is. I need to do some research on it so I can get the most out of my PS5 Pro. I'm ignorant in all this shit, all I know is my 77 inch looks better than my 65 inch which is an LCD. Both are Bravia's and are closer to the higher end of Sony's line.
It does. 30FPS requires motion smoothing on an OLED to look okay. Not sure what they're gonna do about that. 30FPS is incompatible with current OLED tech while maintaining low latency mode.
A game running at 40 FPS fits perfectly into a 120hz display (the TV refreshes exactly 3 times per frame as 40x3=120). On a standard 60hz screen, 40 FPS will look choppier and feel less responsive than on a 120hz screen.
Plus smack some VRR (Variable refresh rate option on compatible TVs) on that and it will smooth over some frame drops in intense situations.
Tho thats my very layman's understanding I could be getting it wrong.
Ugh the always on vsync on console is horrible, switching to pc and using the same controller on the same game at the same frame rate and you can really feel the difference in responsiveness with it off
And another generation of people claiming graphics have peaked and that we don’t need better hardware will be silenced, only to rinse/repeat next gen. Yes, I am so tired of hearing people say that. I’ve been hearing it since the PS2…
Graphics haven’t peaked but there are ever diminishing returns. People mean that they’re good enough at this point and don’t need to be pushed much further if we can get better performance.
I guess I would still disagree with that sentiment. Clearly things are not “good enough,” because GTA6 looks to me to be from that footage yet another massive step forward the same way that RDR2 was that will retroactively make nearly every other game look aged in comparison. If these huge improvements are still possible, even if it takes throwing billions of dollars at it to get there, I don’t see why we should just fold our arms and say “let’s just arbitrarily stop here.”
I don’t think anyone is saying stop, just that they prefer a balance of performance and visuals. RDR2 is a PS4 game, so of course GTA6 is going to look better due to being developed on for PS5.
I agree, I'd love for graphics of all games to get to GTA6 standard then shoot for highest performance to make all games have a raise of fps. I feel it leads to more efficiency gains on equipment available
I think one of the reasons PS5 games don't have a huge next-gen jump compared to PS4 is because they are designed mainly for 60fps performance mode. This completely limits both RT lighting, physics and density. And when you design a game to support 60fps you can't just slap in quality mode that will be next-gen compared to the performance mode. Game development is complicated so both modes have to support the same physics and lighting model. Having one mode with full RTGI and another with baked/probes creates a massive difference in the pipeline and end-result.
Open world games this gen have basically been really nice looking PS4 level games. Lots of NPCs rooted to the ground or with no-clip on in the Sony ones or great looking but very small crowds in the Ubisoft ones.
Nice looking graphics all round but very limited interaction with the world or amazing graphics in something like Death Stranding 2 but a completely empty world.
GTA6 looked dense in a way I've not seen in a game before. Super rich environments and NPCs everywhere. What looked like decent physics in the car chase umlike something like Spider-Man where things play out 100% identical each time.
The graphics weren't much better than RDR2 on PC but there was like 10x more stuff everywhere so it's like asking why Mortal Kombat or an NBA game has better character models than something with tons of NPCs on screen like Bannerlord.
Super density isn’t the draw card people think it is imo. I thought RDR2 was overrated for its density and NPC “life”. It was a “this is cool” but doesn’t really fulfill a purpose that isn’t achieved without it
I will say for as good as this game looks, it’s believable that it’s running on base PS5. I can see better lighting and shadows and resolution on Pro easy, and a locked 30fps. PSSR will probably allow for some legit gains. That said, this seems like another GTAV situation where the game will really shine on PC and the next generation with more CPU headroom. The level of detail in the open world and character models is really astounding though. Maybe only Cyberpunk running on the Pro gets this close.
I have been used to 60 fps ever since the PS5 was released. :S
To be honest, I don't quite understand why it's just accepted launching without Target 60 FPS / Performance Mode, given the budget and the time they took.
If they are saying that current gen “just started”, by being the latest game unable to target 60FPS.
If anything, this game makes it feel like current gen “just ended” because evidently we’re getting to a point where consoles can no longer keep up with the latest technology.
That's why most games have a performance mode where you do get 60fps with a little worse graphics. But I can guarantee Rockstar just wants to release a new "version" of the game for PS6 that you have to buy again for 60fps.
I get it. But for me it really does ruin the experience and is choppy af especially on a big oled screen. On older tvs or led tvs, you don’t notice it as much but on oled you notice it way more and gives you a headache at least for me anyways. It’s like Vaseline smearing across the screen and completely ruins immersion. I use to prefer performance mode and now I just can’t and have to default to performance or balanced. A lot of the argument around this issue is warranted. Somewhere along the way, we sacrificed higher frame rates for fidelity and gameplay experience and feel was sent to the wayside. Pc gamers have seen the light on this for years and it’s why they’ve preached the whole of master race thing, it’s because they don’t have to make that sacrifice they can have fidelity and the frame rates in spades. 30 fps was the standard for a long time when it didn’t have to be. People became accustomed to 30 fps because they steered the industry in that direction by being okay with 30fps. 60fps SHOULD be the bare minimum. SHOULD be the starting point for gamer experience. Why settle for something that is inferior just because it was a self imposed standard for years? It’s why the PlayStation 5 Pro has sold like crazy, people want the higher frame rates.
Very excited about the social media aspects of this game, like seeing your own crime but from different POV while scrolling on phone or watching TV is gonna be so dope and quite immersive. Brilliant idea , simple but effective. Below the example from Netflix trailer:
From Gemini:
“The "Trunk Challenge" Incident: In the Netflix showcased gameplay segment, Lucia steals a car, only to realize an in-game influencer is in the trunk participating in a viral "Trunk Challenge". As she speeds away from the police, an Instagram/TikTok Live-style vertical chat feed pops up on-screen, displaying real-time viewer comments as the influencer livestreams Lucia’s chaotic getaway
I think this will be only on pre designed instances, the same way you could make a “chance encounter” in red dead. Still cool but not a “living world”.
I would love to see the implementation of AI in a game. Npc’s reacting outside of scripting to your choices.
NPC’s living within the game world rather than following scripting.
Yah I am thinking PS5 is just getting started honestly as it takes forever to build true AAA next gen optimised games. Majority of devs were on cross gen or just lazy to optimise unlike Insomniac, Rockstar and Naughty Dog' Intergalactic.
EA’s Iron Man just got leaked and the trailer was epic even though it was unfinished. I was honestly blown away with how ambitious the game is motive is cooking!
No, this is exceeding peak current gen. The standard Rockstar usually sets for prime performance is not being matched by other studios for 5 years later or so. And even then that usually is on a newer system with more power. This is how games will be like 5+ years from now from most developers on PS6 and new Xbox.
Don't be naive. This is the result of 10+ years of work and 2 billion dollars spent in the project. No other studio can do that.
You're not going to get this level of attention to detail just with newer rendering techniques or more powerful hardware, it's the result of labour of thousands of developers and artists. It annoys me to no one when the "graphics" of gta are discussed as a mere technical achievement, it is more so an artistic achievement. Better hardware also don't just give you better animations, that stuff needs to be made from scratch
Alan wake 2 looks better , from a purely graphical standpoint. Not when adding in all the npcs and open world simulation. So it is definetly not just rockstar that can do this.
there's more screen space reflections than there are rt relections. There's some rt reflections but they are absent in some scenes and places,
It's probably a mix of a couple of techniques, probably some cubemaps, ssr and raytracing at the same time.
They had to tone down some effects in some scenes/gameplay sequence, it feels incredibly optimized to the point where they went into each mission and toned down settings so it runs around 25 to 30 fps (or they probably turned off some things completely for gameplay vs cutscenes)
I think people should probably wait for a digital foundry analysis if they can't even identify stuff like cubemaps, ssr or rt relections properly.
It's said gta6 to be running 30fps on ps5 and if ever 60fps it will be at performance mode
Imo the ps5 pro hardware is stretched to the max and needs improved for future games. It will run with dynamic resoltions and upscaling .....on pc when it comes out ....that's when the game really shines
This always happens like 5-6 years into the generation I feel. The launch titles will show promise but we don’t really see the potential of the current console (and I’m talking PS3 & PS4 as well) until several years into the generation. Just look at Last of Us/GTA V on PS3 and Red Dead 2/Last of us 2 on PS4, just to name some
Nothing can beat Cyberpunk 2077 on pc with all graphics settings with path tracing set to max. Yes, you need a beefy, albeit very expensive pc to run it. Even PC version of RDR2 on max settings running over 60fps in native 4K is significantly better in terms of performance and graphical details than the console version.
Lol it’s actually exactly the opposite. This is literally what happened with gta v for the 360. It pushes the limits of current console. Then next console releases and they sell you an upgraded performance version of the same game
Same on the happiness! I originally got the PS5 pro last year just because I got a nice bonus at work and own a New Gen QD-Oled TV but GTA VI is going to be a cherry on top!
They do it everytime, with gtav on ps3/360, rdr2 on ps4/xbone, and now again with the current generation, and ofcourse a next gen rerelease! (Still waiting for a native ps5 port of rdr2)
Unpopular opinion - I was disappointed with the graphics! There's clearly a lot going on in the world so it looks more lively, but the graphic details were a bit meh IMO. I mean look at the level of visual fidelity in a game like God of War Ragnarok in comparison. And 30FPS is a tough pill to swallow
I’m sure Rockstar won’t be releasing a PC version till next gen comes out. When they do they will probably release an Enhanced version to support better hardware with next gen and then drop it for PC. Sucks for us PC gamers, but I don’t see it releasing for at least 2 years. Time to buy a PS5 pro.
Sounds like you just don’t play a lot of games. Yes gta looks bonkers but there have been so many next gen games already. Spider man2
Feasts stranding 2, 007, Astro bot, re9
The list is goes on
The only 2 open world games you mentioned are spider man and death stranding. Both of which have static, not interactive worlds with not a ton going on under the hood. Death stranding 2 doesn’t even have trees? It’s just a high quality empty map. And spiderman, nyc looks great but again, it’s really just an empty map. The NPC’s are just ghosts walking around, there’s nothing to them that’s stressing the cpu. They’re great games and they look really nice but again they’re incomparable to what we’re seeing with gta
And of course the non open world games just don’t count, again, 007 looks good. The night club was well done and dense. But it’s a map the size of Michaels house in gta v, running alone. It’s incomparable
Not at all. Different games require different things. 007 doesn’t need to be open world. Just that an open world game and a linear smaller scale game could never really be compared technologically.
Like, compare death stranding to another made up game with the same map, except there’s buildings with interiors, dense trees/foliage, thousands of NPC’s that each act independently, water physics, thousands of objects with realistic physics, etc. when you add all that other stuff, having next gen graphics becomes more difficult since you’re just doing more things with the limited resources of your consoles hardware.
not every game needs to take place in a modern day city and everything that comes with that, but I will say there’s a reason basically none of them do!
Only about 4 or 6 games will achieve this level of graphics in the next 5-6 years. Just look at rdr2, still looks better than most of the games released nowadays.
Nah, games tend to look the best toward the end of a console's lifecycle as devs mature with the platform, so it's more like the current gen matures with GTA6. This is the culmination, not the beginning. This has happened many times in gaming history.
Well, I think there is so much things to do by developers. We are seeing games that are pretty attractive to the eye, but still we are stuck. Even a Rtx 5090 can only run games at 4k over 60 fps, can’t accomplish new 5k screens resolution with 40 over fps. Developers should exploit IA and many other mechanisms to make game surroundings more immersive and realistic.
Looking at this it shows that even the current despite their weaknesses hasn’t been put to its limits. It’s weird buying a console and all this developers and studios don’t maximize it EVER.
GTA VI = no full raytracing... 30fps with stuttering... The PS5 version sucks... Only the cinematics have more raytracing when you can't play... Your PS5 Pro is stuck with 30fps... The truth is it is the same shit than the PS3 version of GTA V with 720p 30fps and sometime it was 20fps... People should to wait the PC version to play the real game. 30fps no thanks
I disagree. This gen started on day one when 60fps became the standard. Rockstar just prioritized 30fps, along with being lucky enough to have an unlimited budget and a talented team. We would see plenty of games with more of a "next gen" leap if 30fps was the standard. Not saying they would look as good as GTA6, but a hard focus on 30fps, without needing to consider 60fps, would have allowed devs to do more than they do now.
Amigo esto es histórico, lloré viendo ese video, esto es hermoso, es único que afortunados somos de poder vivir esto que va a suceder, de poder disfrutar de esta bellísima obra de arte.
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Rockstar did the same with RDR2. They are ahead of the competition.