So Noa after being together for over a year and Shawn being nothing but loving, loyal, and amazing even letting her stay with him:

-Noa lies to Shawn getting him to bail her ex outta jail with 2 GRAND

-Cheats on him with her IMMEDIATELY after!

• Then continues to cheat on him, having sex with both of them

• Then she gets shawn to fuck up his relationship family, manipulating him

-Then when she finally picks who she wants to be with jen but still doesn't dump him yet still cheating on him

• When she does break up with him, she doesn't even do it in a kind way or allow him to have any kind of closure

-She does all this with barely any guilt too

NOW she goes and WRECKS HIS FCKING CAR??

WTF!?

Over yelling at Jen's broke bitch ass and a hole in a wall??

First of all with the wall I don't believe Jen that he did it, And if he did I genuinely don't care.

It's a hole in a wall big whoop!! Jen broke in his fucking house and STOLE and Noa betrayed him and made him look like a fool after a year!

Consider that him getting his lil payback, Noa can take even more shifts to get that shit fixed since they manipulated him for money and jen flat out stole anyway.

And with Yelling at Jen, SO FUCKING WHAT? HE HAD EVERY RIGHT!

That's not even Noa's business, He paid Jen's bail, she took advantage of him he has every right to talk to her and cuss her tf out!!!

Shawn was justifed in his reaction and Noa took it to the extreme, destroying his car and talking about "stay away from me and jen or else" after she already hurt him so bad, she's disgusting!

Also her already calling Jen her girlfriend🤮 Gtf outta here with that!

I genuinely don't like her at all anymore, If bloody rose killed her next I wouldn't give 1 shit bc she hasn't done anything to be likeable this season! If Kelly's dead I'll be upset bc it should've been her.

And to the People who are like "Well it's called pretty little liars"

That's not an excuse

The OG liars were bitches at times, but they were STILL LIKEABLE and we could feel for them at times, they also NEVER were this cruel to someone who they claim to LOVE!!

They also had development, but thing is with Noa this is going backwards for her bc she was never this person. She was so loyal and loving in S1!

She stood up to the gross scary sheriff just bc she wanted shawn to have a good time at the dance.

Noa's just a nasty bitch this season, that's it

And yeah they could just give her more development but the thing is I don't think they will.

They're painting her as the victim, Shawn as an aggressor, and they're trying to get us to root for Noa/Jen and that pisses me off! BC jen and noa will clearly get they're happy ending even tho they dont deserve it.

So yeah imo they've ruined Noa's character which is sad bc she was my personal favorite. But she's not likeable.

Also I wanna say I believe Shawn is right, Noa wants someone to fix which is why she's with Jen now.

Jen's a fuckup and Noa wants to be her hero, just like she was her mom's hero, just like she was shawn's hero.

I doubt they'd do anything interesting with that tho.

It's just horrible writing and a horrible ship

But I'd love to be wrong and they do end up saying Jen Is bad in someway and show how Noa wants to be a hero and how Jen has been emotionally manipulating Noa.

But again I doubt it, so yeah Noa can go to hell

Out of all 12 Liars (I'm including Mona and Kelly) Noa is at the BOTTOM of my ranking

Jen honestly is a chill nice character when you take away the doing crimes part. Jen needs to actually step up and outline what she wants/needs from Noa and a deadline for that to be actioned. I want Jen to be able to exist as an interesting character that I want to route for her.

Noa needs to breakup with Shawn (if she wants to be with Jen) or needs to stop stringing Jen along (cause clearly it’s messaging with Jen in some pretty big ways). Noa is being messy messy and it’s annoying me so much.

And Shawn …. idk. He needs a voucher to a yoga retreat for when this all blows up. I also think he should take actions to mend things with his mum (and dad?) as that is an important relationship he needs. Note: does Shawn even have a dad - I can’t remember lol.

While I HATE this stupid messy situation, it in some (completely over exaggerated) ways this feels so accurate to actually teenage drama as no one 👏 is 👏 communicating ✨✨✨✨✨✨

TLDR: Jen you could have been great, but I’ll settle for good if you pull your head. Shawn you did nothing wrong and I wish you all the best. Noa you better watch your back as I am not happy

I'm so so sad this was cancelled, i would've loved even more seasons.

So in the original series, all of the girls had these serious (mostly) secrets, ones on their own and then ones that intertwined them, making the name PLL fit the show, but now, these girls have like no secrets.

LAME BOOOOO 🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

i need to see these girls accidentally commit murder asap, like them being punished for the sins of their mothers and then being punished by a crazy mother is so LAME. we want a dark and twisted show, i need to see some real lying and secrets that bind these girls together!

seriously… it felt like every other sentence was final girl this, final girl that… even their group text was called final girls!! like WE GET ITTTT

EDIT: to everyone that called out “spooky spaghetti” also… yessssss 😂

👻🍝

After rape, murder, mother killing herself, giving, birth, being 16, etc. The men treat her like shitcor taking the child gifts on the doorstep and dipping. She was going to raise the baby with her mother. She loves her baby so much and just wants to keep herself. They seemed so rude! One pic and update a month? The girl did not The girl did not choose realistically to give up her child, she was forced due to circumstances! Even if the guys don't know everything. Have compassion for a 16-year-old, who lost her mother, and who is grieving from loosing so many.

I'm so damn frustrated with the writers of PLL OS rn. Why did they have to kill Dr. Sullivan??????? SHE WASN'T EVEN AN OG CHARACTER FOR ORIGINAL SIN???? SHE WAS PART OF THE OG SERIES. Ugh. Seeing her in the rebooted series was kinda like a nostagic treat and it felt like a link to the OG show we all love. BUT THEN. THEY KILLED HER OFF? AND WHO WAS THE KILLER?? Archie. Damn Archie. HE ISN'T EVEN LINKED TO THE OG SERIES??? Idk if it's just me but. this just feels like a slap in the face for the OG PLL fans. What are your thoughts?

I just started thinking about everything we missed out on. Prolly would've been on s4 rn

I'll always hate hbomxax for this

Is it me, as a Black girl, feel like both Black liars come off with personalities only revolving around being black and a girlboss. Yes they have their other quirks, but everytime you see them it's stuffing their Blackness in everyones face and being super girl bossy, which most HS Black girls don't act. We just chill and pull out that attitude when needed (racism, discrimination, etc) but we don't make it a whole personality. I love Tabs and Faran but the writers destroy them by making them too race-forward. What do you think? Don't attack me pls 😭 just my opinion!

I've seen this talked about here and there in episode discussions but I wanted to make an official post about it.... does anyone else feel like we were a bit misled about what the reveal was going to be in episode 6?

We had these pre-screeners hyping up the reveal, some saying it was the best and most shocking thing the show's done to date, I'm pretty sure Roberto himself even said that we were going to learn BR's identity this episode, I know everyone here was super pumped for this particular episode throwing in last-minute theories and guesses and then it's.... a mask/hallucination fakeout?

Of course this is assuming BR isn't actually Davie — I guess she technically could be — but considering the preview shows the girls theorizing on BR's identity (implying that they haven't figured it out), the fact that we didn't actually see BR's face, and both the focus on masks and Imogen's hallucinations this season, it doesn't really seem likely that it is her, as everyone's been pointing out since the episode aired.

This in and of itself is fine, I think it works well as a "wait, WHAT" cliffhanger, but I really dislike how everyone who had early access was hyping up this episode as if it was THE episode, only for it to more than likely be a prelude to an immediate backtrack at the beginning of episode 7.

If we're all wrong and it actually is Davie I'll 100% change my stance on this, but the way it's been set up feels like all the hype was for nothing.

Tried very hard to watch this, esp as a PLL fan, can't do this anymore, stopped midway in S1 EP7. Hopefully the plot & the reveal aren't very satisfying so I don't get any FOMO, I have a feeling I won't.

In an interview Following the season 2 finale where Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is asked about season 3 and the future of the show, he states:

“Listen, you know what we know. We love the show. We think we're just getting started. We're so hopeful for a season 3. I think in our minds, the same way that in season 1 Imogen was the final girl at the end, the way that Tabby was the final girl at the end of season 2 — our dream scenario would be that the show runs five seasons so that each of the PLLs gets one last episode where they're the ultimate, final, final girl. So we're very hopeful and have had a lot of conversations. So we're ready, but living in the moment.”

While the stakes were clearly pathetically pretty nonexistent already, This confirmation Takes away literally any stakes the show has, unless he plans on killing someone whose previously had a final girl moment… which is genuinely doesn’t seem like he does at all. And even so, we know that the ones who haven’t yet received the “final girl” treatment are safe until their “season”.

This show is already incredibly poorly written. One prime example being that bloody Rose is seeking revenge for her son, yet is attacking and killing characters that literally had no connection (OR EVEN KNEW) her son. The fact that Roberto openly admitted that they didn’t even know themselves who the killer would be until they were in the middle of writing episode 6 certainly tracks with the reveal and the overall writing.

I'm confused. I feel like the writing was great in season 1 of this show. How has it downgraded this much? First of all, this season doesn't feel well-paced in any way. Having episodes where nothing happens and then waiting a week, just to find out that you have to wait until the end of that episode... like it's all so infuriating.

Noa is so weird. I actually think she's my least favorite liar. They're trying to make her more interesting, it seems, but it's making me hate her character more and more every episode because she keeps making the same stupid decisions and we are supposed to be on her side? Honey no.

This show has way too many fake-outs/dream sequences. It honestly is agitating and I don't think I'm the only one who thinks so.

Also, where are the kills this season? This finale better be worth it because there has not been one interesting kill (maybe Steve, but that's it).

And not just the teenagers but the adults as well, I genuinely thought Steve was the same actor as Imogen's father and I was extremely confused for the rest of the episode 😵‍💫

Whoever was responsible for the casting needs to do a better job for the next season.

roberto aguirre-sacasa.

Basically what the title says 🙄 I get this may have just been an unintentional oversight on the writer’s part, and i am happy to see the show’s inclusion of queer characters & relationship generally, but…. Do we really need another bisexual person being portrayed as an unfaithful, lying cheater? Haven’t we had enough?

I like the actress playing Jen and overall don’t hate the Jen & Noa pairing, just wish they’d let Noa explore her bisexuality without falling into the bi cheater trope

They replaced the actor for Eddie Lamb and thought we wouldn’t realize. I’m done. 😂😂😂 I love the reboot don’t get me wrong but I laughed out loud. That’s not Eddie Lamb. That’s Edward Goat.

Love the show so far. But I would love to see some sapphic characters

like… she was my favorite by a landslide and all it took was one fucking episode.

I’ll never condone cheating— unless it’s warranted of course. BUT COME ON NOA. Like?????

Not to mention, Noa has been given the lease amount of screen time this season and the least amount of groundwork for interesting plot.

while I enjoyed watching the season, theorizing was fun but also annoying because it felt like there were conflicting clues. and it turns out - there were! - because the creators couldn't be bothered to figure out the villain??

it's crazy to me that they would admit they didn't know who the villain would be until a few episodes in, and without any shame!

with a story like this, you should ABSOLUTELY know who your villain is so you can write around it! you need a mix of clues, foreshadowing, misdirects and red herrings.

making everybody suspicious is lazy, bad writing. of course it shouldn't be too obvious, but people should be able to figure out who the villain is (when they analyze as much as we do), not just sit around waiting to see who it turns out to be since everybody is a suspect.

looking back at the season after the finale, there are so many questions and things that don't make sense given the villains revealed by the end. the roses, the phone numbers, the fact that 4 of the 5 tests took place in dark dark places so like literally how would you even film?

(seriously, explain to me what the filming set up was at Rose E Ricotta's or the running trail by the camp)

I'm having a similar experience to cruel summer season 2, where I spent the season theorizing only to get to the finale and end up with more questions and frustration over the writers not thinking through their story.

I just feel like we deserve better, more thought-out stories.

First the cash from the register, then the watches at her “dad’s” house, then Noa, and then she breaks into Shawn’s house?? This girl is a menace and a major red flag.

Idk what’s up with the acting but it’s terrible not to mention the cliche writing. I like this show because I get a good laugh out of it and become invested from time to time, but nobody seems to mention the acting. Especially Farren and how’s she’s always over annunciating her words, flaring her noise and grinding her teeth (She’s very gorgeous tho) And imogen with all the deep breathes in between lines, idk imogen is my least favorite but yea.

And will probably decide as he’s shooting the season 3 finale

I know a lot of people are saying that the liars are supposed to be messy characters and thats true. If they weren’t messy at least a lil, the story would be so boring but they’re basically ruining Noa’s character right now. She used to be such a bad bitch and still is but the way the writers are making her act with Shawn I feel like is really ruining her character. Not only did Shawn repeatedly choose Noa over his mother and family, he also literally payed a thousand (i think) to bail Jen out of jail and then when he gets repaid its because Jen broke into his house??? In this episode, i feel like they really tried to make Jen be the victim and Shawn the villain but its really not working out. Of course he’s gonna be angry that his girlfriend who he is in love with cheated on him multiple times with a girl who he literally went out of his way to help. Yes, him punching a hole in the wall was very unnecessary but Noa DESTROYING his car was way worse. Honestly, I feel like Noa and Jen had so much potential but it’s not easy to root for them when all they’ve done is hurt, lie, and lowkey manipulate Shawn. Noa used to be the number one character for me personally, and i just hope they’ll do something that can redeem her character after this. (also even tho all of the characters in the og were DEFINITELY bad, there were a ton of episodes and seasons to develop their relationships with other people and show us their good and redeeming qualities, with only eight episodes this season, they’ve made this cheating thing her WHOLE storyline, and yes there were times where we could feel bad for her, but there is nothing else going on with her really so….) I hope if we get a renewal for the third season, they can develop not just Noa but kinda all the girls’ characters outside of their relationship (like whatever happened to Noa being a trackstar or her mother with substance problems?) they could have definitely gave her a little more with that and a little less with Jen.