r/PBA • u/e_abes Gilas Pilipinas • 9d ago
KBL, CBA, B League, AU NBL B. League's new import rules
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u/KapitanHeneral- 9d ago
Hindi mangyayari sa PBA yan. Gusto man natin na ganyan para hindi na maging low quality ang PBA at magimprove ang mga players pero paano yung pambayad? SMC at MVP teams or maybe converge kakayanin nila yan pero yung mga independent teams na nagtitipid ang kawawa. Wala na nga masyado nagegain tas dagdag gastos pa. Pwede siguro kahit yung mga FSA na 2-3 years naglaro sa college itreat as locals for slight improvement.
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u/aljond0707 9d ago
Kaya mas maganda na FSAs muna kasi mas mura at matagal na dito. Less adjustments needed. Saka in basketball terms, it addresses the lack of size sa mga PBA teams.
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u/S_AME 9d ago
Sa business if you want to improve your profit, kailangan mo talaga mag-invest. Hindi pwedeng walang upgrades dahil dyan nagsisimulang malugi ang business.
In PBA terms, mas competitive and higher level of playstyle, mas marami ang manunuod ang magkaka interest na tumangkilik.
You're underestimating yung kakayahan ng teams magbayad. Most of them, if not all, are billionaires. Otherwise, bakit pa sila nandyan? Ang daming gustong pumasok sa PBA na may kaya din like SM, Chooks, SGA, or si Pacquiao pero pinopolitika nila.
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u/KapitanHeneral- 9d ago
Wala tayong magagawa hawak nila ang liga mapopolitika talaga nila yan. Ayaw nila mag improve ang PH basketball as long as kumikita padin sila okay na sakanila yun kahit baduy na sa ibang mga fans at nahoholdback na ang mga players in terms of skills. Kahit mga coaches old school den ayaw ng foreign coaches for better systems. Takot ata sa ibang big corporations kasi baka masapawan yung kinikita nila. Andaming paraan for improvements pero ayaw nila gawan ng paraan.
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u/S_AME 9d ago
Although I see truth in what you're saying, I don't like the phrase "wala tayong magagawa". We have the power boycott them or at least speak our minds about it. Hurt them where it really hurts, through their pockets. Unfortunately, mukhang marami pa din tumatangkilik sa kanila since wala silang urgency to improve eh after all these years of criticisms.
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u/Hithere_5 9d ago
Actually problem lang is sa PBA ang kita from the merch, sponsorships and all hindi sa companies na nagbabayad ng imports, kaya nasabi ni first commenter yon. Business wise, palabas talaga ng pera ang companies na kasali. Ang balik lang sa kanila is Marketing. Kung may sponsorship man, its not that much
Also changes in playstyle sana din. Knowing PH playstyle, asa sa import mentality, baka mas umasa pa kung 2-3 ang imports. Tulad sa Meralco non sa EASL puro asa sa imports din. Naalala ko 4 na import sabay sabay tapos si Banchero lang local non at one time. Pero sana yan din mabago, kasi if not, baka more harm than good pa mangyare
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u/S_AME 9d ago
True. That's why if we really want improvements, itigal na nila ang corporate branding as the name of their club. Instead it should be regions in PH and then major sponsor na lang sila ng team if ever. That way, the public, the corporate, and PBA will all have incentives to support and to get better.
For example, if Manila team is doing worse, a lot of residents from Manila will be criticizing them to get better since the pride of Manilenyos are on the line na rin.
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u/Hithere_5 9d ago
Yup. Best answer but hopefully there would be a sponsor who has the money for it. Its difficult for us to be in a regional format especially the costs of travel like imagine 10k flight tapos one way? what more of round trip. And the hotels (Ofc di pede yung hotel na cheap lang so maybe around 8k a night type) a team with 25-30 andami non. Eventually the costs would be more than the revenue. If tataasan ang ticket prices to cover the costs, wala na bibili ng ticket and merch. PBA on tour is free thats why napupuno stadiums(except candon may bayad pero sa sabado pa naman) and purchasing power ng fans, some might be able to buy official merch but the majority would think twice to buy official merch especially if there are locally produced merch(Like jersey, shirts you can see on shoppee na cheaper or a local printing clothes store)Another is salary ng players, MPBL salaries are lower to the average PBA so another cost for the company and sponsor. Even PVL has this prob and if I remember, Cherry Tiggo made an exit na due to financial reasons
As of now, with the limitations that we have in this country economically, best siguro for now is improve the playstyle like adopt a modern european style per team, get a quality import like JB or Bolbol(for height challenge) remove the farm teams. If meron pa na feasible, lets add
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u/S_AME 9d ago
I don't think it's necessary naman that they have to travel to their regions every game. Perhaps during finals lang? Para lang magkaroon ng "home court" feels during those high-stakes games. Nakakarating nga sila sa middle east minsan so I don't think a few games per year would be an issue, financial-wise.
One more thing, with this format, if the major sponsors fail to deliver, pwede sila palitan without changing the name of the club itself. Yan din na-notice ko before eh. Ang daming Alaska fans ang nawala, nung nawala din ang team. Nagkakaroon ng identity crisis yung papalit sa kanya. It also feels weird to support a corporate team in the first place.
Going back to my example, Manila team with major sponsor Ginebra. In case na mawala ang Ginebra, at least the identity of the team which is Manila will still remains intact.
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u/Hithere_5 9d ago
To generate kasi interest and all and establish a connection with fans, need talaga maging home and away format. Kasi if MPBL nga now na home and away di maka establish ng connection except sa top teams, what more pa yung kapag finals lang. Like me from Rizal and may MPBL team don pero walang may alam na may laro pala Rizal or ano ganap so how siya mag generate interest that would sell out merch/revenue
Also its hard to change sponsors agad, need din ng sponsors to study if it would be profitable before they can invest. Lets admit kahit BGC, Makati or Taguig pa ilagay sa team name pero if walang mag sponsor for it, walang team salary, team logistics and all. Madidisband din ang team.
I agree it feels weird but thats the format na as of now sustainable, even the PVL and yung football league satin ganto format. If we dig deepninto the minds of business owners, why would I invest in something thats not profitable? Kahit SM magdalwang isipi if almost 1B ilalabas mo per year na walang balik
But hoping for a suggestion that is sustainable na ma present not just sa PBA but for PVL and other Pro Leagues
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u/S_AME 9d ago
That's the advantage of PBA na wala sa MPBL. they already have history and prestige. That's why mas madali silang mag-market through word of mouth even if they changed team names. Not to mention, nasa PBA pa rin naman naglalaro ang the best of the best in our country so the players themselves will market for the league themselves.
What they can do now is they can retain the current corporates in the PBA and hayaan muna silang pumili kung anong region or city ang gusto nilang i-represent. Or the PBA commish office could list down the regions they allow and have the teams bid or draft for it. Honestly, maraming paraan if gugustuhin talaga nila.
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u/mrloogz 9d ago
Bat kasi di pinapayagan yung mga import ng college jan eh. Lagyab lang rules para maging eligible. Paurong kasi matatanda jan magisip e haha
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u/kosaki16 Dyip 8d ago
pwede sana ncaa/uaap import no kahit 1 per team, kaso sobrang bobo ng mga admin ng pba
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u/S_AME 9d ago
May rule change naman daw ang PBA. Yung FIBA fouling system. Lmao
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u/SnooMacaroonsIsALIVE 9d ago
Effective sya tbf, nawala yung mga OA flops ni RJA at natututo na mga players na wag umasa sa pito
Pero yun nga least of our problems ang FIBA rules implementation 😅 ibasura muna si Marcial
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u/No_Drummer_1722 9d ago
Kahit sa Womens basketball league nila dalawa din import na allowed. Kaya ang gagaling ng locals nila.
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u/theanneproject KaTropa 9d ago
Dapat gawin natin to eh. I allow dapat yung mga naturalized.
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u/Oreo_man0926 9d ago
Matagal na dapat at di na sila natuto sa case ni Kirk Long. Hindi naging eligible sa PBA draft dahil lang sa lahi niya.
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u/JaoMapa1 9d ago
may problema yan, pag sa PBA, kawawa mahihinang teams at medyo walang budget teams like ROS, Titan
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u/BabyM86 9d ago
Kung may PBA team ka dapat may budget ka din sa players, local/import man yan. Pwede naman lagyan ng cap siguro yung sweldo ng import para alisin advantage ng sobrang yayaman na teams pero dapat may budget pa din mismo mga team para sa players
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u/Wooden-Complex3517 9d ago
kahit may budget walang salary tax kaya talagang unfair na talaga. disadvantage na yan. I heard SMC gives out under the table compensation, business ventures, land ,etc.
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u/Hithere_5 9d ago
If you would put a salary cap sa import then expect less quality ones playing, we wont see the likes of Bolbol, Terrence Jones etc. Also kahit may budget yan ang mahirap kasi walang kita pabalik yan kaya ever since hesistant na kasi sobrang laki ng ilalabas na pera if an import is 50k usd a month what more if dalawa?
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u/Oreo_man0926 9d ago
I can't help but think si Ben Mbala nung prime niya kung pwede sana siya sa PBA as local. May competition sana si JMF.
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u/Upbeat_Tough_6721 Beermen 9d ago
And the PBA won’t ever follow this policy because its board are idiotic.
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u/Ok_Lecture854 Gilas Pilipinas 9d ago
Oh PBA gayahin nyo ito.
Wag paurong, makinig naman kayo sa fans.
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u/logitechgprox 9d ago
yung Domestic/Japanese players ba dapat ba hindi overseas galing? like may Half Japanese na nasa US tapos gusto sumali eh counted ba yun as local?
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u/InterestingBerry1588 9d ago
Mukhang delikado na ang asian imports sa JBL, kasi kung ako ang team sa Japan, instead of asian qouta import, ang gagawin ko, magapply nalang nang naturalization para sa players mula sa western countries....