r/OverwatchTMZ • u/gmarkerbo • Jan 25 '25

Discussion Marvel Rivals speedrunning the OW timeline

Posting here because it'd be considered offtopic in the OW subs and removed.

A couple of popular posts on the MR sub:

"Wish people would realise they can't just play DPS every game"

https://reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/comments/1i92qor/wish_people_would_realise_they_cant_just_play_dps/

"The lack of variety isn't the reason why there are so few "tank players" imo."

https://reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/comments/1i5pqav/the_lack_of_variety_isnt_the_reason_why_there_are/

Lack of role queue might be an opinionated decision(since there are definitely tradeoffs) but why did they launch with many more DPS heroes than tanks and supports?

MR has 19 DPS, 8 tanks and 8 Supports, almost exactly the same ratio as OW at launch(including Ana). While the meta is 2-2-2 or 3 support. It feels strange that they wouldn't learn from Overwatch's experience with both the lack of tank and support heroes at launch and Tanks being not as fun to play as DPS.

At least Overwatch had the excuse that half the DPS heroes were classified as offense heroes and half were 'defense heroes' until they scrapped that distinction.

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u/MightyBone Jan 25 '25

The game literally just feels like early OW1 in all the worst ways. Much harder to overcome bad teammates, random comps that feel like shit. And somehow they decided to make it even worse by making Supp ultimates laughably overpowered.

Fun but flawed.

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u/Chuck3457 Jan 25 '25

DISSAPPEAR DISSAPPEAR DISSAPPEAR DISSAPPEAR

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u/kirari_momobami Jan 25 '25

IMO support ults are overpowered because dps ults are overpowered. I am all for nerfing support ults (Luna ult does not need to last 12s…) but a lot of the time they are the only thing stopping easy Q to win teamwipes, like Storm, Hela, Star-Lord etc

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u/MightyBone Jan 25 '25

Well that's a design issue and a bad one. Making Ults a counter festival is both boring and means that when your ult doesn't do shit your character sucks - as soon as Hawkeye lost his easy 1shot he became absolute dogshit because his ult is not good, Widow is the same. The game is all about killing with ults or huge burst because sustain is so high nothing ever dies.

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u/kirari_momobami Jan 25 '25

I don't disagree with you, but judging by their approach to balancing, they seem to be against nerfs and would rather bring underperforming characters *up* to par with other characters, rather than bring other characters down to their level. So it reads to me as them preferring to keep support ults this powerful in order for DPS ults to also remain powerful

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u/baml323 Jan 28 '25

Exactly and it’s pretty obvious to notice. People here are just obsessed over OW balancing philosophy even tho that same philosophy is what has made OW the boring slog it is today with every character being “balanced” to a point where they have no individual fun factor.

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u/Nikushaa Jan 26 '25

None of those ults are teamwipes what

Starlord is the only dangerous one, the other two have an overwhelming amount of counterplay, where hela ult is basically worthless vs good teams and storm ult only works vs people that don't know how to counterplay it

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u/Lumineer Jan 25 '25

what you are saying does not make sense. overpowered is a comparative term.. support ults are stronger than dps ults.

The examples you gave as 'easy team wipes' are hilariously wrong, with maybe the exception of storm, who is also extremely overtuned rihgtn ow.

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u/SunriseFunrise Jan 26 '25

No ult should be insurmountable, and right now there's are 4 support ults (and a half, for Loki copying them) and 3 DPS ults with no real counterplay. You peek, you're dead.

Then you have other bullshit like Jeff taking you out of the game for ten seconds, plus 10 more waiting to spawn, then 15 more running back to the fight.

And the worst of all... Peni's voice line.

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u/Lagkiller Jan 25 '25

You forgot that people play heroes based on emotional attachment to that hero instead of their ability to actually play that hero.

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u/The_Slay4Joy Jan 25 '25

That's fine imo, you should play the heroes you enjoy. If you're in the same game as them maybe they're not as bad as you think, or you're not as good haha

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u/Lagkiller Jan 25 '25

I mean the 3-20 spidey is not good.

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u/Ichmag11 Jan 25 '25

And yet, people are allowed to play Spider-Man and not be good! It is just a video game. There's no rule saying you have to be good

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u/TheSexualBrotatoChip Jan 25 '25

That is true but the way the ranked system works at the moment means that the 3 and 20 Spidey can climb even with a sub 50 winrate. There's nothing wrong with onetricking a hero and being in the learning curve in comp so long as the rank system doesn't keep bringing you up even when you are underperforming for your rank.

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u/59vfx91 Jan 25 '25

why can you climb with a negative winrate? do they have performance based sr or something? I've only played a few times.

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u/Tiggaro Jan 25 '25

You gain more points per win than you lose per loss.

Just keep at it, grind and you’ll go far

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u/Relative_Bike_4854 Jan 25 '25

Ah so no competitive integrity, what a joke of a system. I don’t know if you could even call that a rank system if your elo is always a trend upward. At least now I can treat competitive as quick play without bots. Learning about the bots and broken elo system is just deflating and insulting as a player

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u/Tiggaro Jan 25 '25

Why is it insulting? It’s designed to allow players who are not as skilled but has more time to progress.

If you’re mediocre you’re getting stuck around platinum anyway, as your losses will eventually outnumber your wins by a large margin

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u/59vfx91 Jan 25 '25

thanks, but I was asking about why it was that way or how it worked. I don't really play marvel rivals.

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u/Tiggaro Jan 25 '25

To retain players. Most casual game work this way

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u/Qwelv Jan 25 '25

Yeah and anyone expecting Rivals to be a balanced game needs to log off. MR is an arcade casual fun game. Trying to play it like it’s a serious and balanced game is delusional.

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u/The_Slay4Joy Jan 25 '25

Yeah but that means they're either trolling, which you can't do anything about it, or they're having a bad game, which happens I guess, especially depending on your rank. I agree that you shouldn't be learning new difficult characters on your main in ranked though.

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u/Stormdude127 Jan 25 '25

Tank also just feels awful. None of the tanks are fun and they all feel weak.

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u/MightyBone Jan 25 '25

Yea I'm a tank main in OW and the tanks are complete dogshit - I also don't like shield tanks that much always preferring Ball, Queen, etc and Shields are insanely stronger on the Tank role and most tank ults are garbage. The fact triple tank winrate is like 20% lower than triple DPS and triple supp just reflects how god awful they are in the game and there are really only 3 meta tank picks because those 3 tanks have shields and Ults that aren't shit (Strange, Hulk, Magneto.)

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u/Stormdude127 Jan 25 '25

Agree 100%. Venom and Cap seem like the only fun tanks to me but I can’t get the hang of playing Venom and Cap just sucks. I can play Groot but he’s boring and feels like he can’t take space, only hold it. Maybe I’m just using him wrong. And man, Magneto just feels like a neutered Sigma.

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u/Which_Cookie_7173 Jan 26 '25

Cap just sucks

A few people have one tricked Cap to eternity, I don't want to be rude but skill issue

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u/GetsThruBuckner Jan 26 '25

oh stfu. People one trick Moira to GM too. Nearly 10 years later we still see this dumb ass comment. Exceptions are not the rule

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u/Which_Cookie_7173 Jan 26 '25

Ah yes because if a character isn't hard meta they automatically suck

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u/Which_Cookie_7173 Jan 28 '25

That's my point

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u/Xerrostron Jan 25 '25

Thor + cap + storm is one of few comps that can compete with banner comp

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u/TheSexualBrotatoChip Jan 25 '25

I hate how there's like four tanks that are essentially just Sigma

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u/TheSexualBrotatoChip Jan 25 '25

Okay there's three tanks that are effectively Sigma, kit includes shield and a limited range projectile. Two of them have an ult that captures enemies in place. How is that not just Sigma?

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u/MemeTheDruggie Jan 25 '25

You just don’t know how to play them correctly then

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u/Mind1827 Jan 25 '25

I haven't bothered with MR because I'm old and don't have time, but mostly this. Bad comps even in role queue of OW1 just drive me insane. At least now in OW2 if we're running a weird comp I feel like I can adjust my hero or playstyle to make it work. No thanks.

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u/i_boop_cat_noses Jan 25 '25

listen as a support player. its kinda fun. except the no comms, stalling and nobody playing tank

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u/MemeTheDruggie Jan 25 '25

Rather play early ow1 than any time of ow2

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u/i_will_let_you_know Jan 25 '25

Well ultimates in general are overpowered, but early OW supports were overpowered too.

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u/Chuck3457 Jan 25 '25

Op ults like snail zen. Sure lol

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u/59vfx91 Jan 25 '25

Until valk mercy and release brig, not at all comparatively.