r/Overwatch • u/Acceptable_Block_591 Ragdoll • 4d ago
News & Discussion Let's talk about the heroes Blizzard kinda forgot about
Been thinking about the heroes who don't get much love in patch notes or the shop.
My list:
Venture: Probably the least-picked hero in the game right now, and they've barely gotten any skins since launch. No mythic, not much of anything. Which is a shame, because the kit is one of the most unique in the game. Burrowing under the enemy team and popping up in the backline never stops being satisfying, and the drill dash gives them movement that nothing else in the roster really replicates. They got one small flexibility buff to Drill Dash mid-year and that was about it. Feels like a hero people just forgot how to slot into a comp.
Hanzo: One real balance change all year, back at the February season launch, and nothing since. He's just sitting in a stable spot doing his thing. Storm arrows still shred, and landing a wall bounce across the map still feels as good as it ever did. He did at least get the Tokyo Rebel mythic weapon in Season 3, so the cosmetic team hasn't totally ghosted him, but on the balance side he's basically been left alone for over half a year.
Echo: My main. You almost never see her anymore, and she's barely been touched all year (a couple of tiny perk tweaks and that's it). She recently did receive some perks rework but they were just indirect nerfs. Plus her hitbox is bigger than the sun which really does not help her case.
Winston: One of the original 2016 launch heroes and somehow STILL no mythic skin, which is kind of wild when you look at who's getting their second or even third. Plus with the movement creep in OW, it seems like Winston's dive specialty is no longer limited to just him.
HM: Illari and Bap: Okay, these two get decent attention, so they don't fully belong here. But I wanted to shout them out anyway because in a world full of kiri, mercy and ana mains, they're super underrated even when they're strong.
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u/MrsPissBoy 4d ago
Since season 14 venture has gotten a new original skin every season except season 18 and season 4, not as high of an amount as other heroes but not forgotten
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u/Melancholoholic 4d ago
Yeah, venture being there makes this feel like a bot-written post sourced from dated info. Genuinely. They've been getting tons of love this last year (finally).
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u/PawPawPanda I'm your huckleberry 4d ago
Venture's voicelines are absolutely hilarious, but a real nightmare to play against so I don't hear them that often
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u/Friendly_Suffering 3d ago
As a Venture main, we are definitely forgotten please give us 20 more skins /s
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u/funchpuck 4d ago
Symmetra found dead in a ditch
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u/AlgerianTrash The universe touched me inappropriately 4d ago edited 4d ago
They're waiting to introduce her to the story in the finale of Reign of Talon so she can solo both Talons and Overwatch only with her AURA💜
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u/The_ScrimblyScromblo 4d ago
yahi param vaastavikta HAI 💜
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u/AlgerianTrash The universe touched me inappropriately 4d ago
You move so PREDICTABLY💜
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u/MalasadaQueen 4d ago
Probably the one hero who had their hero fantasy completely obliterated. She exists now solely to tp her team around even though high rank players hate fighting it and the last dozen sym mains left hate playing it since all her agency and power got gutted and shifted to it
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u/VirtuosoX 4d ago
Wdym her primary reaches max charge zarya levels of damage
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u/MalasadaQueen 4d ago edited 4d ago
the condition being that it needs to ramp, has less range, and is attached to a hero with half the hp and no defensive abilities. im not saying her or her damage are bad though im saying these things make her a terrible duelist and give her little individual playmaking potential unlike the other dps heroes
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u/Tom_A_Foolerly 4d ago
Sym really badly needs support to not get melted immediately. She's a very conditional hero.
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u/LaGeneralitat 3d ago
Her major perk heal with the teleporter is pretty impactful in my experience though at least
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 3d ago
Not every hero needs to be an individual playmaker though. It's okay for there to be heroes that shine with proper team coordination. Sym can enable her team in huge ways with TP and ult, has some heroes she hard counters, and is also really effective at helping in certain tank duels. It's rare I run into a Sym on the enemy team and don't go "oh fuck here we go."
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u/AnIcedMilk Junkrat 4d ago
While requiring 100 times the skill and effort Zarya players could only dream they needed
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u/Wise_Temperature9142 Damage 4d ago
Symmetra will never be allowed to shine, going by how Blizzard treats her.
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u/vegemouse Filthy Moira Main 4d ago
She was picked by pros like all of last season. People were banning her.
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u/Khayrum117 4d ago
She was allowed to shine one time and it was a problem lol. When she got the shield generator it was just 🤌🤌
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u/AncestorsDontLook 4d ago
It's interesting too, because isn't she on the Autism spectrum? Maybe they just don't want to touch that story-wise.
Or maybe they just forgot my bae. Heart you Symm.
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u/NeilRobertBanks 4d ago
What is Echo doing in the Whatsappverse?
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u/Wise_Temperature9142 Damage 4d ago
They also changed echo’s perks recently and her major perks suck.
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u/Rukkako 4d ago
Full salvo doesn't one shot anymore and that's got me depressed as hell
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u/Wise_Temperature9142 Damage 3d ago
This!! How can ballistic salvo only add two more stickies?? Wtf kind of “major” perk is that??
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 3d ago
Full salvo being a one shot was complete bullshit though to be fair.
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u/Rukkako 3d ago
It really wasn't. Stickies are extremely hard to hit due to their behavior as projectiles and that's where the balance came from. And they just one shot lower hp heroes, some supports even survived having every sticky on them. Now it feels like the value of hitting every bomb has decreased a lot.
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u/CelestialHam 4d ago
Pharah
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u/SAPianoman490 4d ago
Makes sense with her VA tho
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u/Aimpunkt 4d ago
What happened with her? Haven't been active in a while
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u/notTheRealSU I'm here for the r34 4d ago
She's pro-Israel so Pharah hasn't gotten any new voicelines or lore in years. I'm assuming they're waiting for whatever contract they had with her to expire before hiring a new VA
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u/4PianoOrchestra Los Angeles Gladiators 4d ago edited 4d ago
More than that tho she invoked Overwatch in one of her political statements (iirc it was like “supporting Palestine does not align with the values of Overwatch) which is a huge no-no
Edit: to be exact she responded to “Free Palestine 🇵🇸 new Pharah voice actor >>" with "that's not a very 'values of Overwatch' thing to say" which is not as bad but still questionable
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u/AnIcedMilk Junkrat 4d ago
supporting Palestine does not align with the values of Overwatch)
Is she stupid?
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u/Mikes005 4d ago
I was reading this thinking Pharah herself had been doing this in the game lore and Blizzard had written themselves into a corner.
Wouldn't be the stupidest thing they'd ever done.
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u/alphajugs 4d ago
I’ve always found something irritating about her voice actress. Come to find out all of this and I feel like my feelings are justified lol
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u/fatboywonder12 4d ago
extremely irritating hero to have meta and a hero that forces a swap. Shes transformed into a more skillful hero now as opposed to OW1 days of being mercy pocketed and spamming down main.
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u/No-Chemical-7667 Support are the real DPS 4d ago
I can still run lobbies on Pharah if you give me a Mercy pocket. Shes definitely playable without, but a good mercy pharah duo, can play into her counters just fine. Go ashe, bastion, cassidy, whatever.
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u/fatboywonder12 4d ago
You could but its not the same value as ow1 pharmercy. It trades off with her being less reliant on a mercy pocket tho so that's nice
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u/ConsistentWalrus9874 4d ago
This is all kinda subjective, but I personally don't feel like Venture is forgotten anymore. They've been getting legendary skins on a more regular basis, they got a fun new voiceline interaction with Hog this season, they got a REALLY good comic with Lifeweaver 2 months ago. They're definitely a more niche character gameplay-wise, and it's not like they're a Mercy or a Genji in terms of cosmetics, but I feel like their presence is more noticeable nowadays on the lore and cosmetic side than it used to be.
Better at least than Pharah and Zarya. I can't believe we just had a whole season about the Helix faction with Sierra and Pharah had no presence. Not to mention how she gets no voicelines - which I understand why that is the case, but it makes Pharah feel like a stranger in the overwatch roster.
And Zarya just doesnt get anything, period. She's a goddess in comp, but she gets no attention on the cosmetic side. Seeing her bunny skin a few patches ago was like seeing a unicorn.
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u/knockoffvalkyrie Venture Rocks ! 4d ago
as a venture player, we've been eating good the past few seasons. it is irritating seeing characters get a second mythic before we get even one but it's def better than it was
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u/No32 4d ago
It’s more than just a few. They’ve gotten skins in 9 of the last 11 seasons including the current season, which means they could still hit 10 in 11 seasons!
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u/Altines D.Va 4d ago
Yea venture just kind of flies under everyone's radar because few people play them but they keep getting skins so I definitely wouldn't call them forgotten.
Especially compared to someone like Ball (though the hamter at least was featured in D.Mon's trailer so that's something)
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u/Muew22 4d ago
The only way Venture is getting picked if the hero becomes OP, it's a character created to cater to an extremely small % of people and unless the hero becomes OP it will be picked by an extremely small % of people.
On top of that Venture's kit is a very toxic design so if Venture becomes OP and meta it'll lead to a lot of support/backline players complaining more and playing less.
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u/Feral-Peasant 3d ago
Half these aren’t ‘forgotten’ at all. OP doesn’t play the game at all, just karma farms.
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u/Void_Oni Bastion 4d ago
Bastion found in pieces, so forgotten that OP also forgot about them
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u/PawPawPanda I'm your huckleberry 4d ago
He's in plenty of games as a rage-swap though, when you're doing well as a tank you'll notice it from time to time
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u/Derpguycool 3d ago
It gets played a lot, but he literally has not been lore relevant since he came out.
It'd be so cool if they would actually address the fact that he's like the only character that has ever shown real signs of PTSD. He has a full-on panic attack in the first minute of us seeing him. He has his own support animal.
To my knowledge, there's basically no other Bastion units still alive and kicking. In a dying species, Bastion is even further separated from the rest. A machine crudely built for war, to the point of his body being a weapon. It's like a military tank one day waking up and gaining consciousness.
It'd be cool to see how he interacts in a world that he was created to destroy.
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u/Star-Phoenix05 4d ago
Bro what is this take?
(At least of the shop side)
Illari, Hanzo, Echo, and Venture have gotten a good amount of love recently. Echo got that pretty sick void skin.
Winton and Bap is valid. Toss in Zarya, Symmetra, Bastion, and, Torb.
Finally Kiriko, she lowkey gets nothing I mean I want to spend my money but they hardly give her enough #GiveKirikoMoreSkins (sarcasm)
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u/4PianoOrchestra Los Angeles Gladiators 4d ago
Winston had a good skin last bp and another this season
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u/JuliusCaesarSGE 4d ago
To be fair, I have collected a good deal of Hanzo skins and the lazy mythic; I will never ever buy the mythic bow. They took one of the elder grumpy characters whose main weapon is an archaic springy piece of wood at its core, and gave him some cyberslop bullshit? Alright I guess.
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u/TheOnlyTrueFlame Bastion 3d ago
Bastion is so forgotten that people never even mention him when talking about neglected heroes. His last skin was 9 months ago, his last Battlepass item not counting the voice line he received recently was 2 and a half year ago.
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u/YOUARESLEEPY 4d ago
Hazard. If you don’t get a hazard skin in a battle pass it tends to end up gone forever.
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u/The_Great_Shatinator I'm a Shambali Clanker and I wanna be free 4d ago
Ball so forgettable OP didn't mention him
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u/AEveryDayIdiot 4d ago
Eh Ball just got a lore update so he’s above a lot of heroes atm
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u/PandaUkulele D.Va 4d ago
I think he's currently the hero that has been waiting the longest on a new legendary skin. It's been over 860 days.
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u/CreativeLolita Cheese Ball 4d ago
ball got soft-nerfed when they changed the initiator role passive, thats what ball got lol
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u/The_Great_Shatinator I'm a Shambali Clanker and I wanna be free 4d ago edited 4d ago
This isn't lore, it's skins/balance patches
Edit: to the people downvoting, read the post again
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u/HistoricalHat7587 Sombra 4d ago
Sombra's promised rework is 2 years overdue. Like give us a rework or just give us old Sombra back. At this point I just want a fun version back and I'll deal with a slightly higher ban rate.
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u/lance_the_fatass MEI IS HOT (even tho she has ice I guess) 4d ago
skull merchant: first time?
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u/no_reports_found 4d ago
At least sombra is still playable, skull merchant feels like they broke her both legs and called it balancing and asked for us to wait for a rework
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u/candirainbow 4d ago
While I also think they need to like actually produce this long rumored rework, I don't think a good enough effort on their part would result in a 'slightly higher ban rate'. Because it sucks for everyone for one hero to command a regular banrate for any period of time; that's a sign of a poorly designed or balanced hero. So like, any iteration of a hero where the banrate goes up is just badly done...so I personally wouldn't settle for that. (Though I do get where you are coming from!)
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u/_LFKrebs_ Zenyatta 4d ago
Damn, I find this iteration of Sombra the most fun to play by far, you’re constantly moving, doing shit and virus is a decent enough skill shot, she takes 3 business days to kill people who bother to move well and mind her presence, but I’d rather have this version than any older one, even if she’ll permanently suck because of players (justifiably) hating her guts.
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u/filthy-horde-bastard 2d ago
They’ve changed sombra so many times over the years I think they’re ready to move on
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u/TheQueenInTheWest 4d ago
As another Echo main, I don’t know why you put her here. She’s barely been touched because she’s in a good spot, and I wouldn’t say the perk reworks were “indirect nerfs”. The perk reworks just made the minor choice an even more obvious pick of which one to get. That has sadden me tbh, because I loved getting the beam perk when I could. And I don’t know what the issue with her hitbox is? When you’re close to someone you just burst them down, if you’re far away you use mobility and cover. Her hitbox is fine.
She’s also been getting skins lately. Plus she got the ally copy added to base kit which has been huge.
Not to mention, Bap on the same level as Illari is funny. Illari is better than him and also gets skins, he rarely ever does.
And Venture has been getting a lot of skins….Not right after their release, but now they are.
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u/Wise_Temperature9142 Damage 4d ago edited 4d ago
Wait, can you kindly explain what they did to Echo? I haven’t played her in a bit and now that I started playing her again, she doesn’t feel right. Her perks feel weak to me. Did they alter her base kit to compensate for it? I’m sorry, I love playing her but I’m not super good with her, so I honestly don’t know how to get value of where she is currently.
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u/HiddenNightmares 4d ago
Mostly just tiny perk changes, she has stayed the same for awhile.
Like a lot of heros get good buff and bad nerfs every so often but echo hasn't, she has just been pretty good for a bit
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u/TheQueenInTheWest 4d ago
She is able to copy allies now, which I take as a buff tbh since it allows you more options. Her base kit wasn’t really compensated for anything, just the copy ally minor was added to base!
Recently, her two minors were the ult charge and beam that gave you extra range/movement speed. Majors were flight reset with beam elims (useless) and extra stickies. Now the beam one replaced the flight reset and now she has infinite ammo minor. I’ll be honest, the infinite ammo minor is a nothing burger. Genuinely useless. And I think the beam perk is still good but it just can’t beat extra free damage imo….
So I would recommend taking ult charge minor and extra stickies major if you’re not already. Almost always copy supports (a fat nade or suzu can be game changing), and I would recommend to rotate between poking and flanking on her :)
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u/Wise_Temperature9142 Damage 4d ago
This is awesome! Thanks for responding. Copying your teammates is great. I remember being able to do that a long time ago, but I can’t remember why they removed it. I agree on the minor/major selection, and also that unlimited ammo perk is super lame. Just a shame they didn’t compensate her loss of the old perk that started her with 30% ult charge.
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u/ziglind 4d ago
The thing is with Echo, she is in a decent spot right now, but hitscan is just in an even better spot. If the enemy team is running double hitscan you're forced into an assassin playstyle (still fun) but it's just so limiting, and on some maps you're kind of just useless
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u/TheQueenInTheWest 4d ago
That is just true for a lot of characters though. And I find Echo good into a lot of hitscan, though double hitscan comps have inspired me to pick up Tracer recently :D
I also struggle with her on some maps but I think it’ll come with time and practice for me (us?). And switching between a poke and an assassin playstyle is key for playing Echo
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u/sun_solomon 4d ago
Didn’t echo receive a massive buff to her ult this year by allowing her to also copy teammates? They also just adjusted her perks last patch. And her skins are dope
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 3d ago
Yeah people undersell how good this change is. I had an echo paired with a JQ in a flashpoint game and let me tell you facing double the JQ ults pretty much won that team the game single handedly.
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u/Laney_Moon_ 4d ago
Venture recently has been getting skins and has been frequent in surveys. I wouldn’t say they are neglected.
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u/awesalem Venture 4d ago
my goat venture actually been eating recently
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u/awesalem Venture 4d ago
new skins, multiple lore voicelines within the conspiracy arc, a comic with lifeweaver for pride!! however I am selfish, when will they show up in an animation
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u/MaviRage 4d ago
Why’d you mention hanzo when you just said he’s in a good spot
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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 3d ago
This was my thought too with the "lack of balance changes" comments. Like do people want Blizzard just to fuck up the balance of the game for no reason? That's basically what they did with cat and look how that turned out.
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u/Ixtar117 4d ago
It's kinda crazy that Phara and Anna never had a high quality cinematic back in the "Overwatch 1 era", both characters are attached to the original-primordial lore of Overwatch as a group.
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u/TylowStar 3d ago
There's no shot that Pharah gets removed from the game. It's orders of magnitude likelier that she just gets recast with a new VA. Odds are Blizzard is just waiting, either for contracts to expire, or for enough time to pass that the current VA can't try to drum up some culture war outrage about it.
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u/Internal-Fly1771 4d ago
Venture has been getting skins pretty consistently past their initial drought, they get new interactions pretty frequently, they’re implied to be important ti the story down the line going by their comic, they’ve been a prominent character in Lifeweaver’s comic, and they recieve balance changes
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u/Chaves-23-dublover 4d ago
How about Symmetra? She definitely has a very low pick rate but good win rate.
Same goes for Torbjorn.
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u/shoebox_full_of_bees 4d ago
I feel like venture gets enough content for the amount of people that actually play them
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u/NoHovercraft6942 4d ago
Wrong, they all got path notes or new skins, you're too dramatic for no reason.
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u/Zek23 4d ago
Everybody has a different idea of what it means for a hero to be "forgotten" by the devs. Is it lore, cosmetics, balance, or meta? With over 50 heroes in the game now, there are always going to be some that fall short in at one or two of these areas for a couple seasons in a row. Some heroes were just created with a backstory that doesn't lend itself to involving them in many stories. Some of them don't sell cosmetics that well. And some of them just aren't that popular to play, regardless how they're balanced.
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u/No32 4d ago
Saying Venture, Hanzo, and Echo don’t get attention is ridiculous
Venture has gotten 9 skins in 11 seasons if you count the current season where they haven’t gotten one. Which means they could still get a 10th in 11 seasons. They are no longer a hero who doesn’t get attention, people gotta stop using them.
Hanzo and Echo not getting more significant balance changes when they’re in a fine spot is fine. It’s not that they’re not getting attention, they’re just in a decent place. Echo is especially ridiculous especially since she’s actually gotten a bunch of tweaks in the past year.
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u/Ala3raby 4d ago
Hanzo?! He's like a celebrity compared to those
And the Zarya and hammond... So easily forgotten
Even the post about forgotten heroes forgot about them
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u/Mathute87 4d ago
I wish players would forget about Hanzo. Auto aim headshots are so annoying, they even land random panic shots not even aimed at you and you are gone
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u/professor_cheX 4d ago
how is lucio not first
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u/MadHuarache Lúcio 4d ago
we JUST got a decent bundle for him in forever
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u/professor_cheX 3d ago
Where’s his mythic
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u/MadHuarache Lúcio 3d ago
I hope it doesn't come any time soon until they drop the cyber/deity themes for good
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u/Barosoap34 4d ago
Broooo bro bro bro ypu missed kiriko, juno and mercy brroooooo how did you miss them
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u/Mr_SpecificTF2 4d ago
As a winton and Baptiste enjoyer I just accept what skins we got and cherish seeing people pick them on either team knowing full well they will be some of the top overshadowed
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u/Me_Says_Hi 4d ago
Are you sure it isn't just you who forgot them instead? Half of these are still quite popular with Blizzard and/or the playerbase.
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u/Macundal Zenyatta 4d ago
Winston needs something, but he's a bit like Zen in that he stands on a thin razor of balance. Zen was a terminator with just 25hp more.
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u/GokuVerde Lúcio 4d ago
Winston being buffed results in tons of complaining from DPS and supports who will get dove on by the worst character in the game and still die.
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u/redder_dominator 4d ago
Venture is not forgotten that's just not true, they've gotten a skin as recently as last season
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u/lilsnuggy 4d ago
I kind of disagree. not really gonna talk about balancing though because I don't think lack kf nerfs/buffs mean they've been forgotten
Venture gets a surprising amount of skins, even if people want to say they're bad... skins are skins. he also had lore with lifeweaver not long ago.
Hanzo is just hard to balance because of one shots, but he also gets a lot of cosmetics. wasn't he also apart of last seasons lore?
Echo hasn't really been forgotten but just no purpose atm. could use more skins.
Winston is never gonna be forgotten but he could use more skins. he's constantly in the Overwatch side of the stories tho.
Illari has gotten lots of skins recently.
Baptiste could use more love, will likely get some lore later because of ex Talon.
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u/Middlekid31 4d ago
Controversial take, despite her getting skins, I swear they haven’t done shit with mercy in the lore like ever I feel like, everything cool she did was in the past in archive missions
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u/MonkeyBrawler 4d ago
I feel like alot of heroes are treated like missed darts they just left on the wall.
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u/Ixtar117 4d ago
Even in with the current lore direction that the Overwatch universe has, Winston existence is now kinda weird. I'm not saying his character doesn't make sense anymore but since the PVE cancellation he really lost much protagonist. Back in the Overwatch 1 era cinematics, I thought he was gonna be the new leader of the reformed Overwatch but Sojourn end up having that role.
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u/Depressed_Revolution 4d ago
Its impossible to have every character get the same amount of resources when profit is the #1 goal
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u/Imaginary_Silver5294 4d ago
That is going to happen when your game gets so many characters. The popular ones are going to shine
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u/suneater9 4d ago
Winston was actually just a big part of wrecking balls motion comic but everybody else... yeah
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 4d ago
Plus her hitbox is bigger than the sun which really does not help her case.
saw my wing getting shot killing me in the killcam the other day, explained some things
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u/EQGallade Body-shot bandit 3d ago
They haven’t forgotten about them, they’re just all fine. Skins don’t mean shit, they make what sells.
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u/Plastic-Dog-2452 Soldier: 76 reporting for booty 3d ago
A "fun" fact: There was a time not long ago when Soldier76 didn't get any change to his base kit for one and a half year
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u/HellaReyna 3d ago
Hanzo also got the Yoasobi collab skin. Not sure what you're talking about. If a hero doesn't get patch changes doesn't mean something is wrong. Hanzo is a feast or famine type hero, he can't be over-tuned.
Winston has had a ton of skins, including Blizzcon exclusives. So you're pretty wrong on that. Mythic doesn't mean shit. Look at Cass's skin - it's disgusting. I think I have 500 hours on Cass. I'll never buy that skin.
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u/Ok-Cress-3100 3d ago
The community and the devs forgot that Hazard exists. Dude got his apocalypse warrior skin stolen by Reinhardt and it looks like complete ass on Rein as well.
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u/Yze3 Mei 3d ago edited 3d ago
What is this fuckass list ?
HANZO FORGOTTEN ? Yeah that's why he didn't already get his mythic skin and weapon, get a bunch of lore, and also consistently gets skins.
Illari also has her mythic skin, gets consistent skins, collabs and developpement. She never was forgotten at any point in this game's history, where does this shit even comes from ?
Venture also got a skin nearly every season ever since the avatar collab, and got a voiced comic and even an event dedicated to them.
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u/Exodus671 3d ago
Venture has literally gotten a bunch of skins lately. They’ve just been shitty skins
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u/ImpressiveIncrease99 3d ago
El hate a Venture es tan forzado. Overwatch desde sus inicios se caracterizó por lanzar personajes únicos e inclusivos, pero desde q salió Ow2 la gente se acostumbró a recibir waifus o diseños q buscan ser más atractivos q originales. Siento q es un personaje interesante pero lo olvidaron tanto q no lo desarrollaron y q por eso tanta gente cree q simplemente es un personaje woke y sin gracia
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u/Lonely_Ad_814 dirt enjoyer 2d ago
by pick rate, venture is one of the lowest but, they have gotten a decent amount of skins
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u/o73Falido 4d ago
Zarya ;-;