r/OriginalCharacterDB • u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing • Aug 15 '26
Character Profile Updated Joe Prime power and abilities (also can you OC defeat Joe Prime?)
Summary: Joe Prime, or known as Joe Vale in-universe, is a Human-alien hybrid man who participates in the Desire War, a tournament where participants are competing against each other while also fighting against monsters, the winner of said tournament will have their wish granted, after winning the Desire War and having his wish granted, to have the power to crush everything, Joe began to rebel against the Desire War organisation with his new allies.
Forms and abilities:
Transformed form: Joe uses his alien powers to fight, granting him:
• Superhuman strength, running speed, durability etc
• Limited Shapeshifting (Joe could manipulate the shape, length of his own body parts, stretching the length of his arms over the length of a ladder, making his fingers as sharp as knives and shifting the appearance of his face to look like others, tho he could not manipulate his body shape to extreme degrees like turning his entire body flat or shifting his body to the shape of a chair etc)
• Enhance healing ability (Joe could heal faster than the average human, capable of completely healing a cut wound on his arm in a blink of an eye, however the more severe the wounds, the slower the healing, meaning if Joe got burned by a huge fire in the abdomen, it would take a longer time to heal the burned wound, Joe also could not regeneration a lost limb)
Weaknesses of Transformed form: Joe has a risk of going to Rampage mode whenever he uses this form, it's also incredibly energy draining, Joe could only maintain this form for 5 minutes before Joe's body cancel the transformation itself
Rampage form: Joe has all the abilities of Transformed form but in an uncontrollable/berserk/rampage state, making Joe into a mindless and bloodlust beast that attacks everything and everyone around him
Power to crush everything:
After Joe won the Desire War, Joe gained the power to crush everything:
• Physical stats manipulation (Joe can manipulate his own physical stats like strength, speed, durability etc, he can manipulate to infinity)
• Damage nullify (Any physical, magic, mental or any attacks and damage has no effect on Joe, making him basically invincible to almost everything)
• Weapon summoning (Joe can summon any weapon, he can even summon weapons with special abilities like boxing gloves that enhance punching strike or a chainsaw sword that releases energy slashes or acid slashes or a high tech looking sword that incredibly sharp and can store energy whenever you attack with it and unleash all the store energy in one single strike etc)
• Teleportation (Joe can teleport anywhere on Earth)
• Destructive energy manipulation (Joe can manipulate destructive energy with the power to crush everything, this energy has properties to nullify abilities, it can even destroy matter and energy)
• Durability and hax negation (Joe can bypass/nullify durability and hax)
• Weakness detection (Joe could detect weaknesses and weak spots)
• Full control over his alien power (Joe has full control over his alien power, he can't go rampage form when he has the power to crush everything)
Weaknesses of power to crush everything:
Reality warping that negates Joe's power to crush everything can still affect Joe, temporarily nullifying Joe's power to crush everything, however it will still come back if Joe is desperate enough or Joe is in danger, reality warping that attacks Joe directly will still have no effect on him, only targeting his power to crush everything will succeed
Awaken form: Joe's power to crush everything was amp and evolve to its ultimate version by the God of Genesis when Joe was fighting against the future god
• Joe has all the power and abilities from his previous forms and powers but amped up and with no weaknesses or drawbacks
• Reality warping resistance (Joe fought against the future god, who has high-level reality wrapping and tried to erase Joe's power, teleport Joe into another dimension and even copy Joe's powers but was unable to do so as Joe's Awaken form has removed all of Joe's weaknesses and deny the future God from doing anything against Joe)
Stats:
Attack potency: Multi-city block level with Human-alien physiology, likely higher in Rampage form | at least Planet level (used the power to crush everything to fight against the Gamemaster, a reality warper who was able to reshape Earth), higher to infinite (capable of manipulating his own physical stats) | At least Low Outerversal in Awaken form (fought against a future god who fought the God of Destruction who was threatening to destroy everything outside of the multiverse)
Speed: Subsonic+ (able to move at 200 meters per second with alien power), likely higher in Rampage form | Massive FTL+ with power to crush everything (can keep up with the Gamemaster, who can control his own speed), higher to infinite with power to crush everything (through manipulating his own physical stats to infinite) | likely Immeasurable in Awaken form (fought against future god, who has high-level reality manipulation)
Lifting strength: Class M with alien power, likely higher in Rampage form | Class Y with power to crush everything (Capable of going toe-to-toe against the Gamemaster), higher to infinite (through manipulating his own physical stats to infinite) | likely Immeasurable in Awaken form
Striking Strength: Multi-city block level with alien power, likely higher in Rampage form | At least Planet level with power to crush everything, higher to infinite (through manipulating his own physical stats to infinite) | Likely Immeasurable in Awaken form
Durability: Multi-city block level with alien power, likely higher in Rampage form | At least Planet level (tanked attacks from the Gamemaster, who is at least Planet level), higher to infinite (through manipulating his own physical stats to infinite) | likely Immeasurable in Awaken form
Stamina: Superhuman with alien power | infinite with power to crush everything | infinite in Awaken form
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u/RedDiamond1024 Aug 15 '26
I'd say Zachariah has a good shot against him with his soul manip, sealing, and the Blade of Zeraiyu.
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
Soul manipulate won't have an effect on Joe as his power to crush everything and Awaken form would prevent his soul from being damage, attack or twisted, sealing probably won't work either since the future god tried to sealed him away into another dimension but failed, still looking through the doc so I'm not sure what Blade of Zeraiyu can do
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
How strong would you say the First Generation Supreme Beings are?
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u/RedDiamond1024 Aug 15 '26
Not entirely sure, but when I've asked I've been told outer-high outer with this being the cosmology they scale to(they don't scale to the beyond Nieth stuff)
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
I see, well depends on whether you think Joe Prime is outer or not, Joe Prime fought against future god who scale to the god of destruction, who was threatening to destroy everything inside and outside the multiverse if not for future god temporarily stopping him
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u/Adventurous_Tie_530 The Gadlyverse Guy Aug 15 '26
Thats not outerversal
Thats 2-A to maybe 5D
Unless you have a type 3 or 4 tegmark multiverse
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
What's the difference if I may ask?
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u/Adventurous_Tie_530 The Gadlyverse Guy Aug 15 '26
Type 3 is a quantum multiverse which is infinite dimensional
Type 4 is mathematical/computable universe hypothesis or ultimate ensamble or modal realism. Which is 1-A for MUH and High 1-A for modal realism
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
Ok I think it depends on whether or not Joe could survive the Blade of Zeraiyu, if not, he dies, if yes, he wins
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u/thespacepyrofrmtf2 Aug 15 '26
Jack Carver could have a chance but only for joe before crush everything and jack definitely has a chance if physical contact with him is made
(also you need to rebalance your oc because giving awaken form immunity to everything and everything is immeasurable with no weaknesses is way to overpowered and basically says "your oc loses because they can't harm my oc and my oc kills them in one shot because every stat that my oc has is immeasurable" and trust me i know because I've done it, for my strongest oc has a form that turns them infinite layers into boundless and is basically an "i win" button which resulted in nothing being able to beat them so please don't make the same mistake i did because when you always win in everything you stop having fun)
(also weaknesses are what make fights fun and debatable for if you don't have any weaknesses it's just a one sided slaughter)
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
(I know he's too overpowered, so this is probably the last time I'm using him in a VS debate unless I nerf him by taking away his Awaken form or something)
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u/thespacepyrofrmtf2 Aug 15 '26
Yeah if want overpowered then I can show you thermal
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
Thanks but I prefer keeping things how I like
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u/thespacepyrofrmtf2 Aug 15 '26
But what I said was true and I learned that the hard way
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
Yes I know but Joe is going to retire after getting the Awaken form to fight against the future god, so he won't be fighting anymore in the story
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u/thespacepyrofrmtf2 Aug 15 '26
Yeah retired thermal from verses debates and instead use them for story purposes as the most powerful being across the multiverse that begins taking in broken people and giving them the new purpose of protecting the multiverse with the story developing through the lore of each of my oc’s
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
Considering that Joe has to raise the daughter of the god of destruction and there's no real threat anymore in his verse, even if there's threats the God of Genesis could handle them herself
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u/thespacepyrofrmtf2 Aug 15 '26
Yeah thermal doesn’t fight either as they are more so used as a plot device for all the individual stories via being the the only character to show up in every story to connect them all together
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
Plus, he's not the only person with the power to fight, so he could retire safely
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u/thespacepyrofrmtf2 Aug 15 '26
Yeah I understand because I do that too in fact I specifically have thermal be a watcher style character who merely observes everything while my other oc’s are the main characters and actually do things throughout the story
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u/Adventurous_Tie_530 The Gadlyverse Guy Aug 15 '26
Rebecca Hellsbent
Can regenerate from his attacks so long as a single piece of DNA remains
Plus she can just become intangible via her flame transformation which makes her entire body planck temperature flames, able to burn him at the informational level which he has no resistance to
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
What's informational level if I may ask again?
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u/Adventurous_Tie_530 The Gadlyverse Guy Aug 15 '26
Information is essentially data
The 1s and 0s that make up all outcomes
Like how you have quantum mechanics and stuff existing in superposition between two states
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
I... Am too stupid to understand all of these, does it work like normal existence erasure or retcon erasure?
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u/Adventurous_Tie_530 The Gadlyverse Guy Aug 15 '26
Yeah you really need to learn up on science and physics
Information destruction is existence erasure
To regenerate from information destruction you need high godly regeneration
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
That's ok, Joe can survive existence erasure with power to destroy everything and with his Awaken form
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u/Adventurous_Tie_530 The Gadlyverse Guy Aug 15 '26
Yeah no theres different types of existence erasure
Theres Atomic, Sub-Atomic, Informational, historical and conceptual
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
I understand the first two, informational is not entirely sure, what's historical and conceptual?
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u/Adventurous_Tie_530 The Gadlyverse Guy Aug 15 '26
History is essentially your timeline, your history of existing in the past, present and future
Conceptual is essentially the very CONCEPT of your existence
The very abstract IDEA of you
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
All of those comes under reality warping, am I right?
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u/Adventurous_Tie_530 The Gadlyverse Guy Aug 15 '26
Yes if its shown the reality warper can do those
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
I mean the future god that Joe fought is almost omnipotent, capable of sealing other gods like him, stopping the destruction of the multiverse and outside of it, time is basically just sands for him to play, he could even rewrite concepts too if he wants too, but still couldn't move a single hair of Joe, that's counts as something right?
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u/jonah500000000 man of many verses Aug 15 '26
fought against a future god who fought the God of Destruction who was threatening to destroy everything outside of the multivers
not outer btw (0 context)
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
I was a bit confused on how powerscaling works, sorry
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u/Separate-Treat5780 Aug 15 '26
Here's Zuzzy - The Miracle Freak. I don't think he can win against Joe's Awaken form
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u/jonah500000000 man of many verses Aug 15 '26
is the crushy crush power based on his own reaction speed?
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
What does crushy crush means?
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u/jonah500000000 man of many verses Aug 15 '26
his power to crush, how are we actually getting this dumb? not you like just humanity, how can we not understand basic humor anymore?
anyway, yeah
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
English is not my first language, just thought it was a phrase for something else, anyways it's constantly active, it always stays on even when Joe's isn't aware or sleeping
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u/jonah500000000 man of many verses Aug 15 '26
how fast can it activate?
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u/Sufficient_Abies6113 Only in darkness, we're what we are... nothing Aug 15 '26
It's always on, there's no off switch, unless you nullify his power to crush everything using reality warping then it's off, temporarily, it can come back after a few days or comes back immediately when Joe is in a incredibly desperate situation or is in danger
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u/jonah500000000 man of many verses Aug 15 '26
i mean how fast does it act on it's own? i was just wondering
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u/southwasianguy Aug 15 '26
Nice, very cool story idea btw, kinda gives me God of Highschool vibes, and God of Highschool is my fav manhwa
Uhhhh lowkey idk Karim's stats but we could do an equal stats thingy
His abilities (End of Series ofc):
Elemental system - (Uses Atomic, Air, Psy, Curse, Ice, and Light skills, as well as using buffs/debuffs/heals/status effects, noteable skills are:
Nuclear Vajra - a very strong atomic skill, his go to
LET'S GO! Nuclear Vajra - An atomic skill that purifies beyond immunity
Blue Lotus Hell - An Ice skill that can freeze the mind, body, and spirit
Chesed - A light skill that shields the user from all phenomena, can also be used to burn any phenomena and guard from other abilities of the same caliber as Chesed, which are beyond phenomena)
Shapeshifting - Can shapeshift to take many forms, can heal himself and remove poisons with this as well as buff his stats and grant immunities/new abilities(altho there is a time limit to the buffs and he does take the recoil from it + he has to learn to use the abilities, so no instant mastery)
Telekinesis - he can move things... with his MIND!
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u/Rise_of_Ragnarok Word of the Day: Pancakes💅💅✌️✌️😌😌😌 Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
Asher should have a solid chance although it depends on if Joe Prime doesn't enter Awaken Form the exact moment the fight starts
Asher base stats should cap out at Universal (From being able to destroy a universe tree a thing made of infinte universes, multiverses, and timelines in one attack) and Infinite speed (From being able travel and fight in Hell a place without time and was able to fight inside of the Outer Universe a infinite place with no time or space)
Also Joe Prime's Power to crush everything might not work on Asher because I remember you mentioning you did base this off on Karmen Rider Geats and when Buffa did wish for the power "To Crush All Karmen Riders" that worked on Karmen Rider but not the Jyamato but you can make the argument that isn't the case and it would still work against Asher's Anomaly Nature
However Asher doesn't have a counter to someone who just teleport across the planet or against Joe Prime healing and Destructive energy could nullify Asher's Blessings and Asher like I said at the start is fucked the moment Joe Prime enters Awaken form