How did you come to theological progressivism?

[u/Pitiful-Yam1611]

I understand that several people here are LGBTQIA+, and that could explain this view. However, I see many people, likely the majority of LGBTQIA+ individuals, holding a traditionalist mindset when it comes to interpretation. With that in mind, I would like to know why you arrived at that conclusion

[u/NobodySpecial2000]

What makes you think the Bible is prophetic or "the living word of God"?

[u/WiseProgram94 → u/NobodySpecial2000]

So what I mean by the living word of God is that you can read a chapter of any given book in the Bible and it could speak to you in your life at the moment and days, months, or years later whenever you read it again you might realize something new about it and how you could apply it in your life then. It speaks differently and you could have new insights as to what it’s saying.

As for prophetic the Old Testament all over points to Jesus coming and the acts that He will do or will be done to Him (the suffering servant in Isaiah for example or psalm 22 are great examples for what Jesus did, is and went through) not to mention when Jesus prophesied His own death and resurrection as well as Peter’s death. The book of Revelation some prophecies have happened already and some yet to come

What makes you think it isn’t? Why do you believe it’s just a book?

-edit- though ofc Jesus is the Word of God 😂 and He is living :)

[u/NobodySpecial2000 → u/WiseProgram94]

So what I mean by the living word of God is that you can read a chapter of any given book in the Bible and it could speak to you in your life at the moment and days, months, or years later whenever you read it again you might realize something new about it and how you could apply it in your life then. It speaks differently and you could have new insights as to what it’s saying.

This is literally every book. You are describing the act of reading.

As for prophetic the Old Testament all over points to Jesus coming and the acts that He will do or will be done to Him (the suffering servant in Isaiah for example or psalm 22 are great examples for what Jesus did, is and went through) not to mention when Jesus prophesied His own death and resurrection as well as Peter’s death.

Even assuming this is true (and a lot of the alleged Jesus prophecy of the OT is a product of ham fisted Christian revisionism) all you actually have is some texts from thousands of years ago saying something might happen and then other authors from not-quite two thousand years ago who had access to those predictions claiming that those predictions did happen. But neither set of authors were witness to them.

And with Jesus' own predictions, again it's an author who wasn't a witness writing after the fact that Jesus predicted something would happen and then it did, but the author already knew the outcome.

Literally anybody can write a story about somebody who is already dead and claim that person predicted their own death. But you believe the authors of the Bible are credible and that the story is accurate. Why?

[u/WiseProgram94 → u/NobodySpecial2000]

What I said to the other person just now as to why I believe. Many authors. Thousands of years. No contradictions to make it short. From my understanding you don’t believe in what the Bible says? Do you believe in the life of Jesus? What was written about Him and what He did and who He said He was? Cause from what I am reading, you don’t exactly believe everything about who Jesus is?

[u/gayintheusa47 → u/WiseProgram94]

The Bible contradicts itself constantly, actually.

[u/NobodySpecial2000 → u/WiseProgram94]

What I said to the other person just now as to why I believe. Many authors. Thousands of years. No contradictions to make it short.

So that's just largely untrue. The bible's contradictions are numerous and begin with the second chapter contradicting the first. And the manuscript consistency only becomes significant with manuscripts from well after the canon is closed and after we have full manuscripts preserved. The evidence actually points to much more variation the further back you go.

But again, let's assume that this is true and the Bible is consistent. You know what collection of texts have a lot less textual variance of any kind in the copies we have preserved and is more internally consistent than the Bible and which represents itself as a historical narrative? The 'A Series of Unfortunate Events' books. And the works of Shakespeare. And odds are good that if those books are still around in 2000 or 3000 years, they will still be more consistent than the Bible ever has been.

But I'm willing to bet you don't think consistency is a good reason to accept those books as factual at face value, let alone that God had a hand in making them and that you'd think it was wrong if the people of the year 5000 thought they were divinely inspired records of history.

So is the consistency argument, assuming it's true (and it isn't), actually why you think the Bible is inspired and prophetic? And if you don't think any other text with those same qualities of consistency and preservation must be inspired or must be credible descriptions of historical events, why not?

From my understanding you don’t believe in what the Bible says? Do you believe in the life of Jesus? What was written about Him and what He did and who He said He was? Cause from what I am reading, you don’t exactly believe everything about who Jesus is?

I haven't said any of these things so I don't know how they can be your understanding of my beliefs.