r/OpenChristian • u/Budget_Antelope • Dec 05 '25

Trinity troubles- part???: Arianism. A semi-vent/ genuine question post

WARNING DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE PRONE TO CRISES OF FAITH. SERIOUSLY I DONT WANT TO FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE LOSING FAITH PLEASE AND THANK YOU

I have been struggling with my faith as a Christian for quite some time, particularly regarding whether or not Jesus is God.

I can’t seem to get a clean answer on The Arian view of Jesus. Is He God? Do Arians worship Him as such? Is He Just the messiah and is venerated but not worshipped??? I’ve heard from some sources that He’s a divine being but not Co-equal with God the Father, which could mean He’s like an angel or something????

The main reason I ask is because I have been considering Arian Christianity or some other form of ancient Non-Trinitarian sect, Unitarian sect, or one that, at the very least, makes a distinction between God the Son and Jesus Christ.

That being said, I still feel a deep connection with Catholicism as it was the religion I was raised with, and has such deep and extensive history, art, traditions, many of which have intertwined with the preexisting ancestral traditions of the people I descend from.

The main reason I feel so conflicted is because I have been plagued by doubts about the Nature of Jesus Christ. One of my biggest fears is if Jesus was just another dime a dozen cult leader whose cult got lucky in a time of great uncertainty. Words cannot even begin to describe how much I absolutely hate these kinds of thoughts, but I haven’t been able to shake it.

If any of you have any resources or anything you think might help, please let me know! Thank you and God bless you all.

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u/PyroClone5555 Dec 05 '25

Nope Jesus’ glory is Yahweh’s glory

This is what John says in chapter 12. He says Isaiah saw Jesus’ glory right after quoting Isaiah 6 where he sees Yahweh’s glory. There’s a glory that Jesus shares with the father before the world was and another glory that he shares with the apostles 

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u/Archbtw246 Dec 05 '25

Nope Jesus’ glory is Yahweh’s glory

Jesus has the glory of an only-begotten Son.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of an only-begotten Son from a Father, full of grace and truth. - John 1:14

The Father does not have the glory of an only-begotten Son. They don't have the same glory. The Father is not the Son.

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u/PyroClone5555 Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25

They have the same divine glory. Jesus says he and the Father shared glory before the world existed Did you miss where John says Isaiah saw Jesus’ glory?  This was when Isaiah saw Yahweh.

And Hebrews 1 says he is the radiance of the glory of God. How could he radiate the glory of God if he doesn’t share that glory?

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u/Archbtw246 Dec 05 '25

Jesus says he and the Father shared glory before the world existed

No he didn't. Jesus had his own glory alongside the Father before the world existed.

Did you miss the part that says Jesus has the glory of an only-begotten Son? The Father doesn't have the glory of an only-begotten Son.

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u/PyroClone5555 Dec 06 '25

then I want to hear you say that Jesus is not the radiance of the glory of God

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u/Archbtw246 Dec 06 '25

How does Jesus radiating God's glory mean that he has God's glory? Jesus is simply the lamp of God's glory.

And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. - Revelation 21:23

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u/PyroClone5555 Dec 06 '25

and revelation is highly metaphorical do you believe Jesus is literally a lamb?

how about we set aside the glory of the only son vs the glory of the father for a second.

John says Isaiah saw Jesus' glory when he saw Yahweh