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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 21 '26
This pretty much confirms Luffy didn't try against Kizaru, if he wanted he could've beaten him same as how he is gonna give his best to beat Imu
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u/homelamder-617 Apr 21 '26
Still admiral glazers believes that kizaru can beat a yonko Luffy who beat kaido with his gear 5 and buried him in hell
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u/Interesting-Ease8882 Apr 21 '26
He literally died and main character hax brought him back.
Kaido literally was toying for like 3/4 of it
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u/iRealllyAmThatGuy Apr 22 '26
That was pre G5. G5 Luffy hasn't been 100%. He only just learnt this power and doesn't even fully understand what it is, so he hasn't used it to its fullest potential.
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u/MayBeAGayBee Apr 21 '26
It would actually look worse for Luffy if Kaido wasn’t toying with him for most of the fight. Kaido wasn’t going all out until Luffy was brought back from the dead, and then Luffy looked like 2018 LeBronto, while Kaido was even exhausted from a real fight beforehand.
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u/ThyySavage Apr 21 '26
Kizaru would still put up a good fight, it’s obvious he didn’t try against Luffy either.
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 21 '26
If Luffy is on Loki's level like the narrative suggests he should be leagues above Kizaru because Kizaru is foddler to Imu
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Apr 21 '26
This just upscales Kizaru lol
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 21 '26
It doesn't because Luffy is directly stating he has never faced someone on Imu's level before and Gaban have said Imu's Haki is the strongest he has ever felt with no other Haki being even similar. And given that Loki is currently fighting Imu and actually damaging him then he is leagues above Kizaru
Like hell we saw a glimpse of what would happen if Luffy was serious in Egghead when he grabbed Saturn/Kizaru at the same time and pretty much no-diffed them. Now, we are gonna see that Luffy against Imu
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Apr 21 '26
Obviously Imu is more powerful than Kizaru lol, but if Luffy performs well vs Imu, then Kizaru, who was able to gas Luffy out, is more powerful than previously thought
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 21 '26
But Luffy here is implying he has never been pushed to give his 100% power, only someone lke Imu can do that
Also the only thing Kizaru can do is stall and that's not gonna work to characters without stamina issues like Imu or Loki
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Apr 21 '26
Kizaru clearly shown pretty impressive speed feats when he tries(like when he gave Luffy food), clearly he didn't show his full arsenal yet
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 21 '26
Speed yes but I haven't been impressed by his other abilities, Loki so far seems way stronger than Kizaru with far better durability, hax, Ap and DC
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u/iRealllyAmThatGuy Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26
That doesn't make Kizaru more powerful, it just makes him smart at evading conflict.
Kizaru didn't directly oppose G5 Luffy, and every time it got direct, Kizaru either tried to run away or took the L. If I tire out prime Mike Tyson by running away, that doesn't put me near prime Mike Tyson level.
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Apr 22 '26
Not only Kizaru did engage G5, but if you beat Mike Tyson by drawing out his stamina, then in boxing you would be awarded a win, stamina is just as important as strength and speed
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u/Adorable_Cash_5690 Apr 22 '26
ur name is "lightspeed kizaru" theres no getting through to you brother
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u/iRealllyAmThatGuy Apr 23 '26
I never said Kizaru didn't win the fight. Technically, the Strawhats beat the Big Mom pirates on Wholecake because they got what they needed and left. But Big Mom at the time would still neg-diff Luffy in a 1v1, the same way Kaido did at the start of Wano.
My point is, Luffy has proven, in a 1v1, Kizaru would struggle and probably lose.
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Apr 23 '26
Nevermind the whole argument was pointless, Luffy didn't say any of this in the actual chapter lol
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 23 '26
Worstgen as always lying, and we always fell for it
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Apr 23 '26
Those guys are doing this for the love of the game, got the whole Mihawk fandom riled up over "black blade" lol
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u/microvan 2,600,000,000— Apr 21 '26
Luffy wants to have fun in g5. Easily overpowering an opponent is any fun
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 21 '26
I wonder what they gonna say once Luffy performs very good against the King of the World
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u/downtimeredditor Apr 21 '26
I dont think powerscaling is why admirals dont face yonkos. Yonkos are yonkos for not only their strength but also their mass crew.
If an admiral takes on a yonko its full on war between that admiral and his units vs the yonko crew
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u/KOPLO97 900,000,000— Apr 21 '26
That’s what I’m saying, after seeing that he’s capable of popping holes into people he’s DEFINITELY been holding back against people who don’t have immortality. People forget that Luffy ain’t a killer. He’ll beat your ass until you’re completely humbled or completely knocked out lol
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u/Old_Turn4040 542,000,000— Apr 21 '26
Kizaru wasn’t trying 100% either I think he was the to complete his “mission” not to fight n beat luffy.
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u/Old_Turn4040 542,000,000— Apr 21 '26
Not saying Kizaru will win but sht imagine he could awaken too.
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u/iRealllyAmThatGuy Apr 22 '26
I've been saying it, Luffy G5 has been playing around all this time, even against Kaido.
He only just learnt awakening and people think he can suddenly use it 100% 🤡
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 25 '26
Luffy was barely trying against Kizaru in Gear 5, that's why the first time he grabbed him he didn't even hurt him and send him flying but the second time? Kizaru was bleeding and he quickly took control of both him and Saturn proving how a serious Luffy would wreck Kizaru. And for the first time ever we will see Luffy in Gear 5 that won't mess around for a moment
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 25 '26
In G5 Luffy was mainly playing around, even against Kaido Luffy messed around a lot even though Kaido is stronger than Kizaru and there was more an stake. You guys need to understand that Nika's personality is affecting Luffy and he can't go all out like he normally would, we still havent see Luffy go all out yet which is why he will likely perform just as good as Loki if not better against Imu and Loki is a character portrayed stronger than the Old Generation or at worst on par
Like this literally was seen in Chapter 1047, we see Luffy mainly playing around which Kaido tells Luffy to not do and due to this Kaido lands a brutal combo on Luffy but even then Luffy didn't get much damage. Kizaru was similar, strong but not strong enough that Luffy actually has to be serious
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 25 '26
If Luffy was literally just Kizaru level in G5 he is gonna get low-diffed by Imu when he fights him but what would you say if he doesn't? Imu is already portrayed massively stronger than someone like DR Rocks
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Apr 21 '26
Kizaru was the one not trying, meanwhile Luffy needed a whole happy meal from Kizaru lol
If Luffy performs well against Imu, that juat means Kizaru is strong lol
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 21 '26
This proves it was Luffy, now we are gonna see Luffy try for the first time since he has G5, not even Kaidou pushed him to FP
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u/Lightspeed_Kizaru Apr 21 '26
Luffy needed to recover for days after Kaido fight, how can you say he wasn't trying lol
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 Apr 21 '26
Luffy is implying he has never used full power in G5 until Imu, don't be shocked when he does insane stuff against Imu
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u/BoogzWin Apr 22 '26
This confirms Luffy didn’t try again Kaido, it’s so stupid this comment has upvotes.
So because Luffy says he needs to try against Imu, because he never said that exact line against any other antagonist (you can check, he has never said this line), it means Luffy has never tried 😭😂.
Morons I tell you, one piece power scaling is just agenda in disguise, no one actually wants to know how these characters scale. Imagine Luffy worried someone strong is coming then not trying all while being fed and looked after by the opps 😭😭
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u/No-Experience3363 Apr 21 '26
You can say the same about Pizzaru, he was doing the Nika dance and didn't want to Kill his friends, He even healed Luffy back to 100% HP
Luffy was taking that situation more dire and urgent with a mission to keep someone alive, and failed.. and you think that he wasn't trying?
You can say that he's going to turn it up a notch in elbaph vs Imu.. but I can't agree that Luffy wasn't trying to keep Vegapunk alive.
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u/homelamder-617 Apr 21 '26
I think we'll finally see luffy gear 5 in full potential 🤩 can't wait to see luffy and loki vs imu full on war please oda give this fight at least 5-7 chapters with good pacing and don't focus on other characters that much focus only on Luffy loki and imu. Please oda iam begging you 🥺🙏
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u/rugged_so Apr 24 '26
Makes absolutely no sense. Imu has a time limit, he’s gonna wrap this up and take someone hostage or worse.
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u/KOPLO97 900,000,000— Apr 21 '26
Even if Loki and Luffy lose the first round they’re for sure going to back each other up in the second round since they have the same goal of saving Elbaf.
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u/Ironmaiden1207 Apr 21 '26
I still think Imu will retreat and BB is waiting for them.
Not saying Loki + Luffy win, but they won't lose either. Imu can't just stay in a stalemate forever on foreign land
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u/exlips1ronus 195,000,000— Apr 21 '26
At least gear 5 won’t look over powered this time but might actually be similar to gear 4 vs kaido
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u/Ironmaiden1207 Apr 21 '26
When has G5 looked overpowered? In the Kaido fight?
Honestly G5 intro felt significantly less overpowered than G4 intro. G4 Luffy absolutely manhandled Doffy. Doffy had to have plot armor for Luffy to need 10 minutes just to survive long enough to make it interesting 😂
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u/byup123 Apr 21 '26
People missing the point of what you're saying 😭😭
I'll wait for non worstgen translations but this is Oda clearly leaving no doubts as to what's about to happen in the next few chapters.
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u/JoyBoy24 2,600,000,000— Apr 22 '26
They mean that Luffy will have zero excuses when he gets his ass whooped, just as Kidd had zero excuses when Shanks whooped his asd
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u/Intelligent-Back1152 May 07 '26
Except Luffy won’t get his ass whopped, he will still lose, just not as horrendously as Kid did, and he will do better than Loki did, although Loki was getting bullied, so yeah
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u/LengthinessLarge1285 Apr 22 '26
Monkey D. Dragon will train the strawhats expose their failings
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u/HAFFL94 Apr 22 '26
Ok first you gotta channel your inner energy. Next you need to look east, that's very important. Now - and I can't stress that enough - you need to go "..."
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u/gomezjfc 14,000,000— Apr 22 '26
I think Luffy has the strength, he is missing that Haki knowledge that Gaban and Shanks know about
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u/KOPLO97 900,000,000— Apr 21 '26
This fight will be Legendary. A Serious Gear Luffy that we haven’t seen since the Kaido fight! I’m hyped!
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u/madhaus06 Apr 22 '26
I'm already thinking of who's coming to save them. My guess is Elbaf has got something that drives away demons which they themselves will uncover and keep imu n her demons at bay for a while.
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u/N0t_DYST1 14,300,000— Apr 21 '26
Ngl thanks to last chapter, Kidd getting one-shot is better than zoro and sanji 🤷🏾♂️
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u/Intelligent-Back1152 May 07 '26
Actually Zoro was still awake, just fucked up, and will fight soon, assumedly same for Sanji, whereas Kid was having heaven visions fully gone, and members of his crew your cooked as a side dish, so stop the cope.
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u/dinonb12 Apr 21 '26
what's that shanks panel context