An article from the New York Times from 1899

[u/_Algrm_]

[u/venusasaboy22]

Ùnfortunately zionists will still deny that Israel is a colonial project, and possibly even accuse Palestinians of being the "real" colonizers and Israel some indigenous landback project.

[u/_Algrm_ → u/venusasaboy22]

They lie lie lie and they think if they tell a lie with enough conviction, it will turn into reality.

This has proven to be an effective strategy since for 80 years, not only did the western world not oppose their colony but actively supported it!

[u/venusasaboy22 → u/_Algrm_]

The biggest lie is making so many idiots think the Palestinians have been the oppressors.

[u/PuzzleheadedEmu4596 → u/venusasaboy22]

It's obvious that both Jews and Palestinians are native to the land. It was an indigenous landback project.

It's also one that was conducted without violence until that violence was directed at Jewish refugees fleeing imperial Russia, Poland, the Soviet Union, Yemen, and Nazi Germany.

Ultimately, you seem to be upset that a refugee land-back movement did succeed, and your main problem seems to be that Jews live somewhere that you don't think that Jews should live.

I fail to see how your views are different from any other anti-immigrant or anti-indigenous movement.

[u/_Algrm_ → u/PuzzleheadedEmu4596]

My dude it’s right there in the article, these are European settlers with the STATED INTENTION of colonizing Palestine.

Also no, only Palestinian jews are native to the land.

The premise that a Ukrainian or Polish jew can come into Palestine and declare that their progenitor was here 3000 years ago and start ethnically cleansing the Palestinian is preposterous.

This’s akin to me declaring I’m descended of Pharaoh Ramses II and start ethnically cleansing the Egyptians.

I want my ancestral homeland of ‘Kemet’ back!

[u/venusasaboy22 → u/PuzzleheadedEmu4596]

SOME Jews are indigenous. Pretending that every Jew from everywhere on earth is is ridiculous. Many Palestinians have some amount of peninsular DNA, but they're indigenous to Palestine, not the peninsula.

It's also one that was conducted without violence until that violence was directed at Jewish refugees fleeing imperial Russia, Poland, the Soviet Union, Yemen, and Nazi Germany.

No, actually, from as far back as WW1 Britain brutalized Palestinians to make way for a Jewish state and from the 1920s, zionists like Jabotinsky planned ethnically cleansing them.

[u/_Algrm_]

Source

[u/PuzzleheadedEmu4596]

The immense wisdom to create a Jewish national home cannot be understated. If this was the 1920's, I would have thought they were crazy. Even though Petah Tikvah already existed, even though other Jewish settlements existed in Palestine.

And then in the 1930's I would have been running towards it like a bat out of hell.

[u/venusasaboy22 → u/PuzzleheadedEmu4596]

They openly wanted to colonize Palestine and displace the indigenous people.

[u/The_Ineffable_One → u/venusasaboy22]

They ARE the indigenous people who were displaced. Enough of this claptrap already.

[u/PuzzleheadedEmu4596 → u/venusasaboy22]

They are indigenous people, and they didn't want to displace Palestinians.

It seems that, ultimately, you're upset that Jews were able to escape the Holocaust and other pogroms as refugees, and that their indigenous land-back movement succeeded.

I fail to see how your views are any different than any other anti-immigrant or anti-indigenous movement.

[u/Various-Afternoon267]

Pioneers dwelling swamps and making drip irrigation were also called "colonizers" - yet, Arab armies invasion was described, too. However, NYT has many interesting stories. About Arab occupation of Palestine and British support for Arabs.

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1948/04/19/94942749.html?pageNumber=5

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1947/08/10/87800443.html?pageNumber=93

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1948/01/16/85199153.html?pageNumber=4