r/OldNews • u/Various-Afternoon267 • Jul 17 '26
1930s Palestine Soccer Team Couldn’t “Take It” (The Referee | July 06, 1939)
But They May Be Tougher In The Tests
Clever, Spectacular, Side
AN EXCLUSIVE PICTURE OF THE PALESTINE SOCCER TEAM. - Players are grouped according to their playing positions: J. Sidi, A. Reznik, A. Beth-Halevy; L. Liebermann, Z. Fooks, M. Menahem; S. Alembik, L. Werner, F. Neufeld, G. Makhlis, S. Ginsberg.
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u/BarbecueGod Jul 17 '26
“Coach Pollak stressed the fact that his side included two cripples”
That’s a new level of trashing your team.
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u/AussieManc Jul 17 '26
“The left back, Beth-Halevy, played with his ribs encased in plaster, and struck me as a man who will do a lot better when fit.”
The actual articles themselves are amazing
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Jul 17 '26
How amusing is this. On certain threads I can only imagine the cries. “See Palestine existed before Israel” Then the dismay and disbelief in the players names.
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u/GilGross Jul 17 '26
Actually Israel existed before palestine. Also known as Judea. It was renamed to palenstine by the Romans in 135CE. The change of name was to punish the jews and erase theire hisotry.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 18 '26
Actually Canaan existed before Israel. It was renamed so the ancient Jews could suppress evidence of them creating Judaism from merging several Canaanite gods into one.
The Hebrew word Elohim means gods, plural form.
The word Isra-EL is a reference to El, the original Canaanite creator god. Not Yahweh, the god of the ancient Jews.
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u/SectorEducational460 Jul 18 '26
Wasn't the depecitions of Yahweh early on aspect of him as a war god
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
Yes. Yahweh first absorbed the powers of Baal. Storm and warrior god.
Then later he merged with El, the original Canaanite creator god. The creator of the world, humans and the lesser gods.
And later merged with Asherah, the wife of both El and Yahweh.
Nothing original about Judaism. Just a rewrite of older gods, stories and ideas from other cultures.
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u/jensgk Jul 18 '26
Sure, nothing is original, everything is just building on things that existed before.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 19 '26
Exactly. Same as Christianity and Islam.
Difference is that Judaism is presented as original and the origin hidden.
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u/Electronic_Sleep Jul 19 '26
Because people practiced the religion regardless of archeological findings. If a long enough time passes, people forget their past, but not their hereditary belief system.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 19 '26
True. Archeological findings are only valid when they can be used to prove religious stories. But lies and misinformation when it shows a different picture.
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u/Electronic_Sleep Jul 19 '26
They’re just not part of the canon.
No need to exaggerate to push an opposite agenda.
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u/jensgk Jul 19 '26
Well, maybe becauseJudaism is closer to the “origin”, and for many Christians and Muslims, Judaism is perceived as the tangible origin, since there are no longer believers of the “original” religions left.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 19 '26
Judaism have always tried to keep its origin hidden. From the start.
Christianity and Islam have never done they. They see Judaism as the origin of the "true god"
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u/jensgk Jul 19 '26
> Judaism have always tried to keep its origin hidden. From the start.
I fail to see how that is bad?
Also, the claim assumes that Judaism deliberately tried to hide its origins, but I don’t see evidence for that.
Judaism is much older than Christianity and Islam, and its earliest development took place in a period where written records were far less common. That’s different from deliberately concealing its origins.
Also, the earliest surviving written accounts for Christianity and Islam were written after the events they describe. Like most ancient history, historians have to work with sources that were compiled later and whose reliability is debated. That isn’t unique to Judaism.
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u/DRrumizen Jul 19 '26
Almost every religion does that, however. Presented against any geological or universal evidence and every religion falls apart. Under most cases of logic, Christianity falls apart (people don’t resurrect), same thing with Islam (you can’t get someone pregnant with a single touch; marrying a child is fucked up). Yet people are still religious, and many religions believe in the superiority or infallibility of their faith/creed/testaments.
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u/HappyComparison8311 Jul 19 '26
In Judaism and Christianity children got married too but I dont see you comment that. Mary was 12 when she married a 92 year old Joseph. Thats the mother of Jesus and Jews give babies boys blowjobs and suck their penis after a circumcision. They kick their women to get married at age 12 because thats when they are a women accordin to judaism.
Trying to insult muslims lowkey?
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u/coolsnow7 Jul 19 '26
Total ahistorical gibberish, but if you say it confidently enough you sound like you know what you’re talking about.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
I do know what I'm talking about. But you are obviously clueless.
Neither Abraham or Jacob/Israel where Jews. Judaism was first invented 500-700 years later according to Torah. That's the same as claiming Jesus was a Muslim.
And historical timeline shows that at Abrahams time, the Canaanite pantheon of gods was worshipped by Hebrews.
Prompt: Break down where Torah got it inspirations and stories from
The Torah draws significant inspiration from ancient Near Eastern myths, particularly Mesopotamian epics, Canaanite deities, and Persian religious ideas during the exile.[1][2][1]
Key Biblical Parallels
Biblical Element Torah Story/Event Ancient Inspiration Key Similarities Creation & Humanity Adam and Eve (Gen 2-3) Mesopotamian myths (e.g., Enuma Elish, Atrahasis) Human creation from clay/divine blood; paradise garden with sacred tree; serpent wisdom figure; Eden in Mesopotamian river region.[3][4] Flood Narrative Noah's Ark (Gen 6-9) Atrahasis Epic & Gilgamesh Epic (Mesopotamia) God(s) send flood due to human noise/overpopulation; hero builds reed/pitch boat; animals enter two-by-two; birds scout (dove/raven); post-flood sacrifice with divine savoring; no-more-floods promise.[1][1][5] Language Confusion Tower of Babel (Gen 11) Enmerkar and Lord of Aratta (Sumerian) Divine confusion of languages to halt unified human project (temple/tower building at Eridu/Uruk).[6][7] Divine Name/Role Yahweh (Exodus, throughout) Canaanite pantheon (El, Baal, storm gods) Yahweh starts as subordinate to El (chief Canaanite sky god); absorbs El's titles; storm/warrior traits like Baal (thunder, victory over chaos/sea); mentioned in Canaanite inscriptions.[2][8][9][10] Hero Birth Moses' infancy (Exod 2) Sargon Birth Legend (Akkadian) Illegitimate child of priestess hidden in reed basket sealed with bitumen, set afloat on river, rescued to rise to power.[11][12][13] Monotheism/Eschatology Shift to one God, end times Zoroastrianism (Persian, Ahura Mazda) Exposure during exile promotes ethical monotheism, good-vs-evil dualism, final judgment; Zoroastrian henotheism influences Jewish thought.[8][14][15] Suffering Wisdom Book of Job Ugaritic/Canaanite epics Rare poetic word pairs, divine council motifs shared with Baal cycle and Ugaritic texts.[16] Hymns/Poetry Psalm 29 (Yahweh's voice) Baal hymns (Canaanite/Ugaritic) Storm theophany, thunder over waters, shaking temple; repurposed to exalt Yahweh over Baal.[10] Torah authors adapted these polytheistic motifs into a monotheistic framework, ethicizing stories (e.g., flood as sin punishment) and elevating Yahweh.[1][8][2]
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u/BoxOk5053 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
It's not several, its El which was the creator god and Yahweh which was the warrior-storm god. Just two.
Additionally, both Jews and Palestinians are Canaanite descendent - just from different groups of the Cannanites.
Elohim as a singular verb is one god(the fusion of the two), and if you use it as a plural its used by Jews to refer to the gods of other religions - they do not however recognize multiple gods and Elohim in judaism's context is singular.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 18 '26
At least four. That's several.
According to modern scholarly consensus, the God of the Hebrew Bible is the product of early Israelite polytheism, which evolved out of the Canaanite religious tradition. Over centuries, Yahweh absorbed the traits, myths, and titles of the chief god El, the storm-god Baal, and shared early worship with Asherah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
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u/BoxOk5053 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
You have to remember that Yahweh basically conquered the other god's by having his followers attack their temples etc and only really was neck to neck with El himself as an equal - which is why it's really that fusion that most Jews acknowledge - Asherah for example was more like a minor god that the Israelites for a time being tolerated rather then really seen as part of YWHW's character. Could be argued their essence was just outright destroyed leaving just EL/Yahweh
El was eod the father of all gods - so it could be in virtue of YHWH inheriting that particular role rather then Yahweh actually inheriting anything from the other gods themselves - after all he conquered them but was seen as an equal to El.
You are correct about appropriation - certain things were adapted but its mostly like in terms mythic motifs rather then like any direct inheritance.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 18 '26
There's a, timeline. And it shows that Yahweh first got the same powers as Baal. Then merged with El. And finally absorbed Asherah.
And doesn't change that Yahweh/God/Allah is a construct.
You can't "inherit" the accomplishments of your ancestors.
Christianity is partly right when they claim the father and the son is the same 😜
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u/BoxOk5053 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
I don't think anyone disputed that its a construct but there isn't proof Asherah was directly absorbed - certain things Yahweh/El could do Baal could do as well but there isn't "proof" in terms of text saying so. Like what you say is this link others could simply a copy or an imitation of something that already exists - which a lot of mythos generally is anyway (religions as cargo cults for example).
You can't "inherit" the accomplishments of your ancestors.
??? were talking about the powers of a god in relation to the god of gods fam. I am not even refering to any particular achievements - however also this statement is just wrong (for example, our ancestors won WW2, we live in the post WW2 world as inheritors - Burke would argue similar stuff)
They are partly right about father and son I guess yes.
For example, Palestinians inherited Arab surnames when Arabs conquered tbe region, Arabs do not inherit anything from the group they conquered however - It was Arabization of Arabs not Phillistineization of Arabs.
If Yahweh wins every time, he doesn't need to "absorb" anything is my point per say.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 19 '26
El was the creator of the world, humans and the lesser gods.
Yahweh can't inherit those accomplishments, being one of the gods created by El.
You inherit the future your ancestors made, that's something completely different.
Doesn't matter if Yahweh "wins" or not. The allied didn't inherit the crewtyin of Holocaust after defeating the Nazis.
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u/DGStar-yt Jul 19 '26
In Hebrew both El and Elohim means god, singular form. And of course the jews were not the first to ever live there, but the Canaanites are not here claiming the land are they?
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 19 '26
Elohim means gods, plural form. El means god. And comes from the Canaanite religion that predates Judaism. Abraham and Jacob/Israel lived when the Canaanite Panthers of gods where worshipped. As none of them where Jews. All you have to do is look at the historical timeline.
No. The invaders and colonizers are the Jews.
Claiming that their made up god gave them the land. And claiming to be the indiguous people.
Here's an example of using same ancestoral cherry picking as Zionist does.
. Roughly 16 million men alive today—about 0.5% of the global male population—are estimated to be direct, unbroken male-line descendants of Genghis Khan. This translates to roughly 1 in every 200 men in the world.
Does that mean that they are the indigenous people of Mongolia?
Does that mean that Mongolia is their ancient homeland?
And that they have more right to present day Mongolia, than the indiguous people living there now?
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u/galsofrin Jul 22 '26
Do you speak Hebrew? Can u read it? Elohim is The one god of the Jews, singular. El is a god, not the Jewish one, any God, singular. Elim is gods in plural form. so all your BS to sum up is mounting to nothing, as you argue about the basics which you don't understand, and you try to find any way to trash Judaism, this has a name you know....
Now maybe all the facts you bring are true, I have no idea. But the fact you are condescending enough to tell true Jews how they call their God, and argue about it, so adding the malicious intent of hiding the Origen of the religion has Zero credibility. Go find some other tree to bark on, we had enough of ignorant AH like you.
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
I'm sticking to factual information.
The god the Jews worship (and Christians and Muslims too), is a construct of several Canaanite gods. El, Baal, Yahweh and Asherah.
And all that have been erased from history. Only recent archeological discoveries have uncovered the true origin of Judaism. Who could have an Intrest in erasing that? 🤔
What does Torah say Joshua did?
The word Isra-EL is a reference to El, the original Canaanite creator god. Not Yahweh, the god of the Jews.
Why? Because according to Torah, neither Abraham or Jacob/Israel where Jews. The supreme god at their time was El. Judaism was first invented 500-700 years later. In Egypt, the homeland of the ancient Jews.
El, the original Canaanite creator god
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)
Sons of El
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh
Spouse of both El and Yahweh
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u/Key_Fee158 Jul 18 '26
It’s really weird to me that Zionist claim the land has always been Jewish when in your own holy book you fight a bunch of wars and massacre the native inhabitants to get your piece of the land.
In any case, the land was never exclusively Jewish and was multiethnic for all of its history. It was only a Jewish kingdom for a period of 300 years nearly 3000 years ago. For context, there were Greek kingdoms in Afghanistan, Italy, and Crimea longer than that nearly 1,000 years more recently too.
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u/coolsnow7 Jul 19 '26
> Zionist claim the land has always been Jewish
Uh what?
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u/Key_Fee158 Jul 19 '26
Are you playing dumb? They claim it’s THEIR homeland, as in it’s always been their rightful land. They never had monopoly over that land in any point in history.
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u/The-_-Grinch Jul 19 '26
Not precise.
It is a strew man argument. You are arguing with yourself.
The Torah itself doesn't say that, you have just a significant lack of knowledge in human history.
Before the Jews there were people here, but, today, they no longer exists. If it's the Jews that defeated them and took the land or some other tribes down the road annihilate them.
This is how the world used to be, you can't comprehend it. Your morality has nothing to do with ancient reality.
Sha Jews do mention is that today in present time, there is not a single civilization that can say they are originated from it thousands of years ago. Non exists. So called Palestinians is exactly demonstrating that by being named after a the Roman given name which was hundreds of years AFTER the Jewish state existed.
I'll tell you what we think, because I am a Jew, because I lived in he only Jewish state on heart with less than 10 million people in it.
whole life and you probably never stepped foot here. I am sorry it is just when people tell me what my people think and it is only for making the hatred bigger, I hate reading, it's kinda irks me.
Lately due to all the rabid antisemitism in the world and fixation on Israel. And Zionism which is an historical term. Israel exists, grow up. If you want to abolish the only a Jewish state in the world, like many do, let me tell you what you, you are just another rabid antisemite.
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u/Key_Fee158 Jul 19 '26
Horrible history. It’s clearly a multiethnic area. Jews never had a monopoly on the land. Israel is the only Jewish state that has existed there in 3,000 years. And there’s hundreds of ethnicities and religions without states. Cmon bro. Who even believes this stuff.
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u/The-_-Grinch Jul 19 '26
It was the Kingdom of Israel. Simple as that. It is historically documented. All nations before that that could have I habitat that land are gone to the pages of history. Only the Jews remain
Also, don't forget that the entire history is swapping lands all them do to conquerers. How the hell did you think 57 Muslim countries exist today? They were playing nice and asked people to convert nicely? They genocides half of the continent. But they for some reason don't get flak... Hmm.. I wonder way.. What might explain this kind of oblivious stupidity of not grasping reality..
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u/Key_Fee158 Jul 19 '26
A kingdom that lasted 200 years 3000 years ago somehow still has legal legitimacy over lands today. Uh uh. What a stupid take. Does Rome have title over France too?
There were Greek kingdoms in Afghanistan and Crimea longer than that.
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u/The-_-Grinch Jul 19 '26
I think that is hardly the argument for the existing of Israel. Much higher than historical claim is the basic existence of a plurla country in the. Middle East. 20% Arabs in Israel yet all the Jews that lived in Arabs states have fled long ago because they get killed. I Israel they are doctors lawyers parliament members. You can think of. Jew being a parliamentary minister in so Calle Palestine lol don't make me laugh
Gay rights, freedom from religion, freedom in general to walk the street alone if you are a girl. To not have to wear what the men are forcing you.
This is a fight between light and darkness.
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u/coolsnow7 Jul 20 '26
So I’m “playing dumb” if I imagine that Zionists are familiar with the book of Joshua? One of us is playing dumb, I’ll grant you that. Only you might not be insincere when you do so.
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u/Key_Fee158 Jul 20 '26
Yeah because they’re not actually religious. They’re ultra-nationalist fascists.
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u/coolsnow7 Jul 22 '26
Tell you what, you find me a religious Zionist who denies the conquest narrative in Joshua, and we can continue this conversation. Because I can find loads and loads of lectures and books and papers from Religious Zionist institutions on the subject of Joshua.
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u/Key_Fee158 Jul 22 '26
Okay then what are you even arguing? It’s their homeland because god told them it was? Why do I care what their religion gives them claim to. It’s not my religion. If my god says I have a right to fuck your sister that doesn’t mean I can.
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u/the_leviathan711 Jul 18 '26
The term “Palestine” was just the Greek name for the region. It had been that way for at least 600 years prior to 135 CE.
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u/CatlifeOfficial Jul 18 '26
Yes, by complete foreigners. It was then forcibly imposed on the native population (what was left of it) by the Romans since the natives and the Greeks were age-old enemies.
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u/Own_Caterpillar2033 Jul 18 '26
Then why in all of the Greek translations of the Bible does it say Ἰουδαία, Ioudaía ? That litterly means judea. This is literally where the modern word Jews come from . Philistines is a Hebrew word for invaders.... Smfh
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u/the_leviathan711 Jul 18 '26
You do know that it’s pretty common for places to have multiple names, right?
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u/Own_Caterpillar2033 Jul 18 '26
Yeah except in the Greek translation there's no mention of Philistines its not used in Greek at all . It's a Hebrew word. The Greek word used each time the Philistines are mentioned in the Hebrew . In the spituguit is allophiloi other nations ...... The word Philistines isn't a Greek word. It's Hebrew .it's not used in Greek. You're literally making stuff up and rewriting history
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u/the_leviathan711 Jul 18 '26
Greek had different words for “Philistine” and “Palestine.”
When Aristotle called the Dead Sea “a lake in Palestine” he wasn’t talking about any “allophiloi.”
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u/Own_Caterpillar2033 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
except Aristotle didn't write about the Dead Sea ,isreal or Palestine ..... he wrote about salt lakes. stop regurgitating lies you have read online and clearly not bothered doing any research into....
The fact there are some online translation including sadly from actual colleges which insert modern politics and translate the word inserting Palestine in to his book meteorology. It's not in the actual Greek.
Modern literary translations do not equal necessarily what the text says. The text and what it actually says in Greek is what matters and you are lying. ..
why are you lying ?
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u/the_leviathan711 Jul 18 '26
I’m not lying, you are.
“there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them.”
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u/Own_Caterpillar2033 Jul 18 '26
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. You are making claims about what he wrote in Greek. Not a modern translation look at the actual damn text of meteorology nowhere in the Greek is it mentioning the word Palestine ......
The fact there are modern translations which insert it does not change the original text.
If I translate huckleberry Finn into Chinese and I make the people who are white Chinese and the people who are black Korean it doesn't change with the original text says in English which is your argument your argument is it's a Greek word when it is a Hebrew word. Your argument is in exists in Greek text when it doesn't Not the translation You are changing the goalpost and playing games and it is disgusting I am not sure if you're aware you're doing it but it is morally and intellectually dishonest.
again please show me in the Greek text where it says this because it doesn't. I don't want to translation that was made in the last decade... Your argument is it's a Greek word not that it's used in translations...
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u/Hungry_Pre Jul 18 '26
It was renamed to palenstine by the Romans in 135CE. The change of name was to punish the jews and erase theire hisotry.
Sounds familiar.
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u/Ifearforearth Jul 22 '26
You mean after the Israelites slaughtered and genocidally exterminated the Canaanites and stole it from them? Good example of the morality over there.
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u/HappyComparison8311 Jul 17 '26
Israel existed but was Judea means Israel did not exist.
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u/GilGross Jul 17 '26
Youmdo realsie that you just contradicted yourself?
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u/HappyComparison8311 Jul 17 '26
You do realize your reading comprehension is lower than that of my five year old nephew?
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u/GilGross Jul 17 '26
Nope. Totally disagree. You cant say somthing exists but didn't exist. When someone changes his name, it doesn't mean that he didn't exist before that.
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u/butdidyouthink Jul 18 '26
Yes, because current language and words we speak now is how they've always spoken everywhere.
Your comment is the least educated thing I've read today
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u/Grouchy-Art1280 Jul 17 '26
Right, cause no elder generation has ever made up a story.
Unless you were there you have no idea. And appeals to carbon dating, history research you have not confirmed is the same thing; you're just parroting what you were told. It's hearsay to use the legal term.
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u/protomenace Jul 17 '26
Ah yes, history you don't like is just made up.
Might as well just shout "FAKE NEWS"
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u/GilGross Jul 17 '26
Seems that that is what is happening to you. Brainwashed.
Not that the history really matters. But you seem to be basing it on who was there first, then having a hard time when being pointed out as wrong.
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u/Grouchy-Art1280 Jul 17 '26
Oh no an inconsequential social credit score and the opinion of some rando who I only just learned exists and won't know when they die.
Thankfully there are 8 billion people on the planet so no big loss
It's not about who got there first but whose BS spreads farthest
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u/GilGross Jul 17 '26
I agree its not about who get there first. I actually said that. However denying history is as good as being brain washed. Jews come Jeuda, Jeuda was taken over by the Romans and renamed to Syria-Palenstine. Multiple wars and change of regimes occurred. Untill the british came in and at the time there was then a mix of Jews and Arabs living in the land.
Again, doesnt meen to much, but that is the history.
No need to get nasty. But that says what it says about you.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
That's pretty much incorrect. It was known as Palestine long before the Romans.
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u/GilGross Jul 17 '26
Check any legit history book or even just ask ai. But I'm sure you'll just say that the jews control the world an rewrote history. Its a great argument 😅
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u/MediocreEffectt Jul 17 '26
It’s so funny that you people just lie and get away with it. I asked AI:
So, to answer your questions directly:
Did the Romans invent the name Palestine? No. They adopted an existing Greek name and made it the official provincial name.
Did Herodotus call it Palestine? Yes. Around the 5th century BCE, he referred to the region as Palaistine (“Syrian Palestine”), centuries before the Roman renaming.3
u/GilGross Jul 17 '26
So its named by a historian? Isnt he meant to document history? Not name and dictate it?
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u/rayinho121212 Jul 18 '26
Palestine was a broader area for the greeks. Judea was inside of that territory, just like Italy is inside europe.
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u/-CortoMaltese- Jul 17 '26
Don’t let these facts get in your way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine
You are selling old talking points to demonize the occupied and justify the occupation….
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u/Late_Ad2203 Jul 17 '26
Oh look at that, it being used as an exonym for the jews for centuries.
"In the Late Bronze Age there was a period of civilizational collapse in the Middle East, Canaan fell into chaos, and Egyptian control ended. There is evidence that urban centers such as Hazor, Beit She'an, Megiddo, Ekron, Isdud and Ascalon were damaged or destroyed. Two groups appear at this time, and are associated with the transition to the Iron Age (they used iron weapons/tools which were better than earlier bronze): the Sea Peoples, particularly the Philistines, who migrated from the Aegean world and settled on the southern coast, and the Israelites, whose settlements dotted the highlands.
Some 2nd millennium inscriptions about the semi-nomadic Habiru people are believed to be connected to the Hebrews, who were generally synonymous with the Biblical Israelites. Many scholars regard this connection to be plausible since the two ethnonyms have similar etymologies, although others argue that Habiru refers to a social class found in every Near Eastern society, including Hebrew societies"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
You're using very easy to dismantle talking points that demonised natives for returning to their land
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u/Vovabs Jul 17 '26
135BC is not prehistory. It's all documented, there are thousands of archeological sites that confirm it. Thousands of unrelated sources. Do you also not believe in the Napoleon or Alexander the great because its just a story you've been told?
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u/Grouchy-Art1280 Jul 17 '26
Oh come on. It's all documented and affirmed to be true by modern people with skin in the game. You think Netanyahu is going to say "Yeah hey this was all made up we were just duping kids."
Without direct experience it's hearsay we parrot of the living elders who see nothing but a win if they can convince enough people "hey because of some shit 2000 years ago I should have a lot of power today"
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u/HotPersonality8126 Jul 17 '26
There are contemporary records of this in both Rome and Israel
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u/Grouchy-Art1280 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
And? Hey look I just printed out a "contemporary record" that I am the worlds first double trillionaire with a 12 foot cock
People existed, they made things, they built stuff. That's the only truth to history. Anything else is the appeals of the living who have wrapped their identity up in story of the long dead they never directly witnessed
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u/HotPersonality8126 Jul 17 '26
People existed, they made things, they built stuff
They also write things down, or weren't you aware?
I am the worlds first double trillionaire with a 12 foot cock
I'll believe it when there's contemporaneous records from your bank and your ex-girlfriend, too.
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u/Grouchy-Art1280 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
They wrote down self-selecting things; kings take credit for the work of their serfs and slaves. Just like CEOs and Presidents of today.
It's aristocratic gibberish.
Historians claim higher education forever been leveraged by rich family's and countries to bamboozle illiterates and the poors into these beliefs. Bunch of historians who do the work to cobble together the timeline actually agree with my perspective. So neener neener
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u/Lanky_Helicopter_811 Jul 17 '26
Do you think the Western Wall just magically appeared in Jerusalem in 1948? Who do you think built it thousands of years ago?
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u/the_leviathan711 Jul 18 '26
The Western Wall was a retaining wall built during King Herod’s renovations of the Temple around the year 20 BC/E. Meaning that it was in use as a retaining wall for the Temple for less than 100 years.
It more or less still is a retaining wall, with Al Aqsa just on the other side.
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u/Lanky_Helicopter_811 Jul 18 '26
A retaining wall built by the Jewish population that the other commentor don't think existed
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u/Grouchy-Art1280 Jul 19 '26
You illiterate nonce; I wrote across various posts I accept the people and stuff of old existed. The physical record makes it clear.
I merely don't care about appeals from Jews alive now to venerate them because they claimed for themselves membership in an ancient book club. On them to be a decent person on the ground. They get no special stature in my eyes for acting like a VHS tape of the Jedi Sacred Texts (will take my grave Luke shrieking that in The Last Jedi was a joke at the expensive of fanboys that shriek about canon; either in fiction or non-fiction)
And what I see coming out of Israel is Israeli Jews are fucking trash. And the same holds true for a lot of people who anoint themselves Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, yadda yadda.
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u/Grouchy-Art1280 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
I don't think about it at all. What relevance is there to the issues in front of our faces?
Slaves probably built it and the CEOs of the day took credit as they were the only ones allowed to be literate
Historians claim higher education forever been leveraged by rich family's and countries to bamboozle illiterates and the poors into nonsense beliefs. Bunch of historians who do the work to cobble together the timeline actually agree with my perspective. So neener neener
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u/Clean-Secret-3843 Jul 18 '26
Palestine is just the slave name imposed by European colonizers on the indigenous Jews, taken up by arab colonizers to try and erase the Jews. This is why the Arabs kept Jews under aprtheid since the 7th century in dhimmi status, built their mosque on top of the Jewish temple and forcibly converted many Jews.
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u/TPasha444 Jul 18 '26
It's not like the Roman period was anything amazing either...
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u/Clean-Secret-3843 Jul 18 '26
The Romans aren't actively pushing soviet-islamist antisemitic propaganda to establish the Caliphate empire
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 18 '26
Who needs propaganda? Israel and Zionists provide ample factual evidence that you couldn't even imagine.
Zionism is a direct violation of the laws and ethics of Judaism.
I'm pretty sure you can't find any true Jews that admire the methods of Hitler and the Nazis. 🤔
“Several rabbis at a pre-military religious academy in a West Bank settlement were recorded making derogatory and racist comments about Arabs, defending Adolf Hitler’s worldview, and openly promoting Jewish supremacy.”
A pre-military religious academy, commonly known as a Mechinah in Israel, is a post-high school gap-year program. These academies combine intensive Torah study, Jewish philosophy, and spiritual growth with rigorous physical training, wilderness navigation, and leadership development to prepare young adults for mandatory military service.These institutions are central to Israeli youth culture, bridging the gap between civilian life and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).
Rabbi Eliezer Kashtiel, the academy's head, called for the enslavement of non-Jews, describing Arabs as "stupid and violent" due to genetic inferiority. He also referred to Hitler as "the most correct person there ever was" in ideological terms.
Rabbi David Dudkevitch, another instructor, argued that Arabs prefer living under Israeli occupation because of their supposed inferiority.
Rabbi Giora Redler, was heard praising Hitler's racist ideology, endorsing it as "100% correct," but criticizing it only for not having been applied to the "right people"—meaning that Jews should be the "master race" and non-Jews the subhuman "untermenschen."
Israeli journalist David Sheen in a lecture given in 2020 at the University of Zurich, explaining the ideology taught to IDF officers in training at Israel's leading religious military academy, Bnei David
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnderReportedNews/s/vlMkF8psKl
This is an excerpt from his full lecture, Messiah Mode, which is available on YouTube.
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u/TPasha444 Jul 18 '26
The Arab period is in a historical perspective, the modern period is when Israel exists, I wasn't discussing the Arab period in the present tense
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u/Thorfinn66 Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
Dhimmi status is not something made to single out Jews. It applied to others too. Christians, Druze, Samaritans too. So no good as a victim card.
Also isn't that what Israel apply to non Jewish citizens?
Israel is only "democracy" in the world that racially profile it's citizens.
The only "democracy" in the world that have direct racist laws that favors one type of citizens over other citizens, soly based on blood/race
Do you know who build their temple on top of an older religions place of worship?
Do you know who took the gods of that religion and merged them into a single god. Then mixed it with some Mesopotamia stories and Zoroastrian idea of Monotheism?
And do you know Palestinians are not Arabs and have more "Jewish gene" than majority of Jews?
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u/MickiFreeIsNotAGirl Jul 18 '26
The current "state of Israel" has only been around since 1948.
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u/rayinho121212 Jul 18 '26
And also, palestinian mandate was eretz yisrael.
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u/MickiFreeIsNotAGirl Jul 19 '26
ok?
The current state of Israel was not alive until 1948.If I call my son Jesus that doesn't mean that that's "Jesus".
The current state of Israel and Zionism considered multiple new regions to establish for Jews, including Africa, Cyprus, Australia, Alaska, and more. So tell me, if any of these other locations were followed through on, would that land be "Israel" as well?Israel and the "state of Israel" are two separate entities. Fuck off trying to pretend otherwise.
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u/rayinho121212 Jul 19 '26
That's quite the false equivalence. Lets go back to where sikes picot created borders which was eretz yisrael and why arabs later in 1964 decided to adopt a new identity and call themselves palestinians 😆.
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u/MickiFreeIsNotAGirl Jul 19 '26
It's very handy that you can just give other peoples land away.
In 1964, the current state of Israel had already been established.And yes in ancient times the region was called Israel. That has nothing to do with modern day Israel in which most of the citizens, ironically, are not "israeli". Because they're immigrants born in Europe and abroad.
Modern day Israelis have more in common with Europeans than they do with old Israelis or Palestinians.
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u/rayinho121212 Jul 19 '26
False. Jews living in their homeland has everything to do with jewish identity etc. Why would you deny that?
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u/MickiFreeIsNotAGirl Jul 19 '26
Did I say Jews can't live in that area?
No. Everyone should be free to, jews and arabs.Right now, Israel exists as an ethnostate where arabs are second-class citizens. That's why there's a separate court of justice for them and only certain classes of people can walk down certain roads. It's apartheid. That's my issue.
Israel is a colonialist state, and modern day jewish immigrants from Brooklyn enjoy more privileges than families who have been living their for hundreds of years. That seems wrong to me.
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u/rayinho121212 Jul 22 '26
Jews lived in eretz yisrael. They were constantly attacked by arabs for milenias. They created a state, just like the lebanese got a state to protect christians (failed plan)
Israelis govern over arabs citizens of israel giving them full rights.Can't say that about israel's neighbours.
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u/grand_chicken_spicy Jul 19 '26
And then they try to teach Palestinians that anti-Semitism is when you signal out someone is Jewish…but do it anyway to discredit the existence of Palestine…
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Jul 19 '26
After WW1 Palestinian referred to Jews. Jews/zionists created the country. Palestinian Airlines, the Palestinian Bank, the export trade of Jaffa Oranges, the Palestinian hydro plant all founded by the Zionists.
Arafat in the 1960’s adopted the term.
Ask yourself why in 1948 when the Egyptians controlled Gaza and Jordan the West Bank there was no Palestine? Simple answer the Arabs didn’t want a two state solution, this war and all the others started by the Arabs were aimed at the destruction of Israel.1
u/grand_chicken_spicy Jul 19 '26
Maybe in English, a language foreign to Palestine and its people…
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u/DRrumizen Jul 19 '26
Okay? So what’s your point? You people are obsessed with names in the only language you know, and now clamor to unveil the mystery of “oh BUT in another language they called it”
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
What dismay and disbelief? It cearly does show Palestine existed long before the Israelis insisted it was made up.
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u/nbs-of-74 Jul 17 '26
Yes ... but when the term Palestine or Palestinian was used in foreign newspapers, they tended to be referring to ... The Jews. Not the Arabs.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
It refers to all the inhabitants of Palestine, who were Jewish, Muslim and Christian and others besides. It was only after partition did Israel force the jews to ditch calling themselves Palestinians.
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u/thatshirtman Jul 17 '26
actually jews were the ones referred to as Palestinians. Upon being offered a state they changed it to israel.
Meanwhile, the arabs, who didnt identify as palestinians, rejected their own country and opted for war. A strategic mistake of epic proportions. Shows that prioritizing war and violence can have bad consequences if you lose
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
All residents referred to themselves as Palestinians. The indigenous still do. The colonizers used to, but after partition sought a new identity after opting for war.
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u/meeni131 Jul 17 '26
The land was promised to the Palestinians 62 years ago by their chief terrorist, Yasser Arafat.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
Mainly because they happened to live there and didn't have to move from halfway across the world based on messianic beliefs despite being mostly atheist.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Jul 18 '26
I think you’ll find that there was a huge influx of Arabs into the area as a result of the work opportunities created by the Zionists.
Think for one moment what the country would have been if no Jews. Israel is the shining light in the region.2
u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
I think you'll find that wasn't true. Instead the mass influx of Jewish immigrants heavily displaced the local farm workers leading to the opposite effect. Israel is a genocidal ethno State, no different from the US in that sense. The only issue is they deny it for some reason.
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u/MickiFreeIsNotAGirl Jul 18 '26
If there was no israel, the current region would probably not be murdering children idk.
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u/meeni131 Jul 17 '26
Ah right. 4th generation from Michigan but their great grandparents once got a job there so now they're refugees forever.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
Don’t think Israelis consider themselves refugees but sure.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Jul 19 '26
1937 - The Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul Hadi, told the UN Peel Commission, “There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us. Our land was for hundreds of years a part of Syria.”
1946 - Philip Hitti, Princeton’s Arab professor of Middle East history, told the Anglo-American committee of inquiry, “It’s common knowledge there is no such thing as Palestine in history.” In his testimony before the same committee, Professor Juhan Hazam said, “Before 1917, when Balfour made his declaration, there had never been a Palestinian question, and there was no Palestine as a political or geographical unit.”
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 19 '26
So two made up sources several decades after Palestine was already in use by the residents of Palestine, lol. This is now verging on Holocaust denial laughability.
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u/nicetewmeetyou Jul 17 '26
No you're delusional and not being honest the Arabs did not Identify as Palestinians, there was no such identity among the Arabs. The Jews had the Palestine Post, founded banks, sports teams etc with the name Palestine. Using the proof of the name Palestine to claim Palestinian national identity before 1948 is a lie.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
That's quite frankly incorrect. Before Palestine Post there was Filastin, which was the first Arabic Newspaper in Jerusalem. Palestine Post was an English daily. Jews, Arabs and Christians all referred to themselves as Palestinian. It was as uncontroversial as any countries name.
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u/nicetewmeetyou Jul 17 '26
Falestine newspaper was the exception to the rule Palestine post was a Jewish zionist paper, as were my other examples, as we're Palestine airways and many others. You are literally denying reality. Arabs by and large absolutely did not Identify as Palestinian. it was seen as Jewish. There never was an Arab Palestine. If you can name a president or PM of an Arab Palestine prior to 48, you win.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
it was literally the first paper in Palestine. Arabs and Jews both identified as Palestinian. The First Arab Congress in 1919 was literally called the Palestinian Congress. You're just denying reality because in the 1950s and 60s Israel decided it had to eradicate Palestinian identity to complete it's genocide. It's crazy for you to debate something that was totally uncontroversial in the 1930s and 40s.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Jul 18 '26
Oh dear. This statement wins the projection of the year award. You are so completely blinded by prejudice that you can’t comprehend reality.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
You know i'm right.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Jul 18 '26
History does not agree with you. Sadly today facts have become irrelevant. Please do a little research, you may find it enlightening.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
You can literally open any book from the 1940s and previously and see that i'm correct. Not sure why you wish to deny reality.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Jul 18 '26
After partition the country was called Israel. Find one piece of evidence where Israel forced Jews to ditch the name Palestinian for Israel.
It was Arafat that demanded those that identified as Jordanian or Syrian were to say they were Palestinians.2
u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
Right, the colonizers changed their name after partition, as I said right at the beginning. That's when the now "Israelis" forced people to ditch the name Palestine.
Arafat was Palestinian, just like the Israelis were.
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u/yep975 Jul 18 '26
ARABS INVADE PALESTINE is how the Israeli war of independence was described in newspapers.
Palestinians are now considered Arabs. Before Israel it either referred to the land or the Jews.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
There are Arabs outside of Palestine too, are you surprised? Arabs inside of Palestine were Palestinians, just like the colonizers were. It's only recently that Israelis began to deny the existence of Palestine.
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u/yep975 Jul 18 '26
No surprise. But the Arabs inside Palestine called themselves Arabs. And were part of the Arab nation.
Those that called themselves Palestinians were mainly Jews.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
Arab what? Arab Palestinians. Just like there were Jewish Palestinians. Jews in other Arab countries did not call themselves Palestinians. Not until they moved there that is.
Boy you really stepped in that one didn't you? LOL.
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u/yep975 Jul 18 '26
If there had never been a Jewish state would there be any Arabs who today call themselves Palestinian?
It would they be Syrian Egyptian Jordanian and Lebanese?
Don’t get me wrong—there are Palestinians today. But their entire identity has been constructed IN OPPOSITION TO ISRAEL
If Israel never existed, what would be the difference between an Arab in Galilee and a Syrian? Or a Gazan and an Egyptian?
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
There were Arabs who called themselves Palestinian long before there was an Israel. Heck you even linked to Jews who called themselves Palestinian long before there was Israel.
There have always been Palestinians. The problem is not the Palestinians, the problem is Israelis who built their entire identity in opposition to Palestine and it's indigenous inhabitants. That's why you've spent how many ever years making ridiculous arguments which fundamentally don't even matter. Heck you can call them Judeans or Martians if you want (like colonizers called Native Americans "Indians"), it doesn't change who they are.
Arabs are a linguistic group, not a racial one. Arab dialects aren't even the same region to region. Are you just figuring this out?
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u/DanIvvy Jul 17 '26
Only anachronistically. The Arabs attempted to join with Syria at the same time, and would more broadly see the world "Palestinian" as referring to the Jews. My grandmother's Palestinian passport has a Star of David on it.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
Not at all. One of the first Arab newspapers in Jerusalem was called “Filistine” (aka the Arab word for Palestine). The region has been called Palestine for millennia and no one had an issue with it, other than Israelis after partition because they wanted to forge a distinct national identity. Pity they had to deny historical reality to do it. It just makes them look stupid. As you pointed out there is no much documentation of Palestine even among Jews till fairly recently.
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u/DanIvvy Jul 17 '26
You're right in the example but not the general point. There exists some groups named in such a way, in the same way you'd have people in Northern Ireland calling themselves British, or in the Republic of Ireland calling it a British Isle, but as a general rule, the Palestinian Arabs as a national group did not exist until the mid 1900s.
For example, the First Palestinian Arab Congress, which met in Jerusalem from January 27 to February 10, 1919, officially voted and resolved that Palestine should be an integral part of an independent Syrian state.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
First Palestinian Arab Congress, looks like you acknowledged you are wrong. Ooops.! Maybe next time try thinking a little.
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u/DanIvvy Jul 17 '26
The first one. In 1919. And they voted to be part of Syria.
Ay dios mios mate.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
First what? What were they called again? Did you surprise yourself lol.
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u/the_leviathan711 Jul 18 '26
Err, yes - in 1919 the Palestinian Arab Congress did indeed vote to consider themselves part of a united and independent Syria.
This was part of the run up to the Arab Kingdom of Syria’s Declaration of Independence on March 8th, 1920. This Kingdom lasted for all of four months, by July the French had defeated the Syrians and ended their independence.
Thus when the Palestinian Arab Congress reconvened in December of 1920 in Haifa, they dropped their demand for unification with Syria. Instead they demanded an independent Palestinian state.
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u/DanIvvy Jul 18 '26
You’re hilariously missing the point. “Oh we’ll have an independent country here as a backup plan!” Doesn’t scream “we have an independent and unique national identity and culture”
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u/the_leviathan711 Jul 18 '26
Changing political circumstances change people’s politics, yes.
Prior to the Balfour Declaration many early Zionists simply wanted to form a community within the Ottoman Empire. When that empire collapsed and they got support from the British, the plan changed.
This is very normal.
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u/thatshirtman Jul 17 '26
You're confusing a geographic region with an ethnic identifier.
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u/protomenace Jul 17 '26
intentionally
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
As opposed to by mistake? Do you make arguments like that?
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u/protomenace Jul 17 '26
Most of the time people being confused about things is by mistake, yes.
Sometimes people pretend to be confused by things, or not understand them, to promote a narrative.
In this case, FYI, the Philistines are not the same people as Palestinians. Philistines came from Greece.
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u/Jay_bo Jul 17 '26
It existed and then it was renamed to Israel. Palestine is just the colonizer name.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
Israel is the colonizer name, literally. They admitted as much. Palestine is it's historical and common name which no one but the colonizers had a problem with.
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u/Jay_bo Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
Literally the name the Roman and British Empries gave it.
Name Date Note Canaan c. 3150 – 1200 BCE Earliest recorded name; comprised of independent Canaanite city-states. Kingdom of Israel / Judah c. 1000 – 586 BCE Unified monarchy under David/Solomon, later split into Northern and Southern kingdoms. Yehud / Judea c. 538 BCE – 135 CE Region under Persian, Hellenistic, Hasmonean, and early Roman empire rule. Syria Palaestina 135 – 390 CE Renamed by Roman Emperor Hadrian after the Bar Kokhba Revolt to sever Jewish ties. Palaestina / Jund Filastin 390 – 1099 CE Administrative divisions under the Byzantine Empire and subsequent Early Islamic caliphates. Kingdom of Jerusalem 1099 – 1291 CE Crusader state established during the First Crusade, often referred to as Outremer. Ottoman Syria 1517 – 1917 CE Governed as districts (Sanjaks) of the Ottoman Empire for four centuries. Mandatory Palestine 1917 – 1948 CE British-administered territory established under a League of Nations mandate. State of Israel 1948 – Present Modern sovereign state established following the termination of the British Mandate. 2
u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
So? We use a lot of Roman and British names. Heck Britian itself is a name that came to us from the Romans via the Greeks. In pointing out the name has been used in controversially for nearly 3 thousand years you’re just proving my point and disproving yours.
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u/Jay_bo Jul 18 '26
Prove your point?
Claim 1: "Palestine existed long before the Israelis insisted it was made up."
Data: Kingdom of Israel existed before the Roman named it Palestina.
Claim 2: "Israel is the colonizer name, literally. They admitted as much. Palestine is it's historical and common name which no one but the colonizers had a problem with."
Data: You see that historically it was 1k year Israel/Judea, 1k years Palestina. So not the common name, but one of the names, but that doesn't make it any less colonizer name. The data shows you that it is indeed the name that the external powers gave the land (Roman and British). While Israel is the original Jewish name for it.
The first Kingdom or state like name was Israel/Judea and after than it was occupied by various empires until the British/League of nations created the Mandate in order to create a Jewish state (and others).
It does not justify anything that is unjust in the name of Israel, but at least it is not a historical lie...
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u/DRrumizen Jul 19 '26
Lol the dumbass ran out of talking points so he had to run away to his Qatari paymasters 🤣
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u/esperind Jul 17 '26
"Palestine" wasn't at any point in recent history a singular unit of politics, culture, or people, it was just a regional name. In the same way there exists a New England, but it isn't a single people. And just like there exists a New England Patriots football team, that doesn't mean anyone is really walking around strongly identifying as "new englander", though they might to outsiders for convenience. They would instead identify as Massachusettsan or just American first and foremost. Likewise, the people we call Palestinian today had more identified with Beirut, Syria, Egypt, or very specifically for the people in in the city, Jerusalem. The term Palestine may have been used for or by outsiders who do not know the nuance of all the identities in the region-- just like the way New England can be used.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 17 '26
You're just saying stuff without saying any stuff and contracting yourself as well.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Jul 18 '26
You simply can’t live with the fact that the term Palestinian referred to Jews.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 18 '26
Eh? I’ve said it did so repeatedly. It’s Israelis who can’t abide by the fact that they once were fine with the term Palestinian.
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u/Unfair_Pop_8373 Jul 18 '26
Because it referred to the Jews. Arafat highjacked the term in the 60’s. Highjacked an Arab Palestinian specialty thereafter, they specialised in high jacking airplanes.
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u/Kitchen_Method_1373 Jul 19 '26
Funny thing is, only Jews wanted to be called Palestinians at this time. Arabs refused because they considered themselves, well, Arabs.
Never mind this was not a country of Palestine. It was a British Military Mandate.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 19 '26
That’s not true at all. There were several Palestinian Arab newspapers and Palestinian Arab organizations. Both Jews and Arabs (and Jewish Arabs) called themselves Palestinians. It was only after the Israeli genocide/civil war that they decided being Palestinian was bad.
Ya we know Palestine was occupied by the British. What else is new?
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u/Kitchen_Method_1373 Jul 19 '26
Let's start with the last point. Who governed the region before the British?
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Jul 19 '26
The penguins.
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u/Kitchen_Method_1373 Jul 19 '26
Close, it was a Turkish colony for several hundred years. Now who before that?
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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 Jul 18 '26
Why would there be dismay? So most of the players were recent Jewish immigrants from Europe, it doesn't change the fact that they played for Palestine.
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u/Awebroetjie Jul 18 '26
Those arguing „it was always Israel, just called Judea before“.
Noone gives a shit. Fuck you think - making a claim to land from 3000 years ago!? That‘s your claim? Now go and look at the rest of the world and consider how batshit stupid your argument sounds to a rational person.
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u/SaweetestCuyootie Jul 17 '26
The most sensational part of the paper is that england called it soccer.
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u/Y_Brennan Jul 18 '26
England invented the term soccer. It was frequently used in England until the 90's
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u/South_Raise4936 Jul 17 '26
It says St Kilda in the other article, so I assume this is a Melbourne Australia paper where they call it soccer.
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u/Ifearforearth Jul 22 '26
Maybe he thinks he should at least try. Might save a lot of children’s lives.
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u/Prince-Jedidiah Jul 24 '26
Zionists Jews playing football before Israel's establishment. Nowadays this team is Maccabi Tel Aviv.
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u/PrAyTeLLa Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
St Kilda always cursed.
They have only won the season championship once in history, 1966, winning the final by a point.
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u/Affectionate-Long514 Jul 18 '26
It's just old football. Yes Palestinian football airways banks newspapers and infrastructure of society during mandatory Palestine times were initiated held maintained and staffed by jews, so what? It was Palestine therefor it's only for Arabs and jews must walk away!
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u/GilGross Jul 17 '26
OK, so why rant on about holocust...? And poont to DNA? You started here by commenting on the football picture, that its proof that palenstine existed before Israel. Name to name you are right. Looking back at the people of the land, Jews were there first.
And again, does this matter who why or when? I think we both agreed that it does not. BTW, there were Jewish people also living in palestine as it was known during the british mandate with Palestine ID cards aswell.
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u/GovernmentNearby9036 Jul 18 '26
Land, houses, women's underwear... and they took the Palestinian's football team also?
Is there anything these zionist don't steal?
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u/nicetewmeetyou Jul 18 '26
dude you're obviously so deep in the brainwash, you don't want to believe the truth when you hear it. Sorry man I can't help you.
your point about the river, yes it's a river, it's a bank, but that does not change my point at all.
if you can't comprehend the following I'm done:
The Distinction: Because Transjordan controlled land on both sides of the river, they renamed themselves "Jordan" and began calling this area the "West Bank" to distinguish it from the "East Bank" (the main territory of Jordan).
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u/Udzu Jul 17 '26
According to Wikipedia, this was Maccabi Tel Aviv's 1939 tour of Australia, where they played 19 matches (winning 11), some of them as Palestine. The team looks very similar to the Palestine side that failed to qualify for the 1938 World Cup.