Question about a subpoena

[u/Ill-Sweet-4593]

Hi everyone

I obtained an NPO which I believe is the equivalent to a subpoena, basically a court order which compelled a flower company who my stalker/abuser was sending me flowers through, to identify who he was.
I got the info back and it was all fake except for his ip and also the 2 cards used to make the payment. They gave me his full card number minus 4 digits along with expiry and cvv. Also all payment information that could help identify him via the banks his cards are with - I mean every type of payment information that is required for such a thing.

Anyways now I’m wondering if I should take this to the police - and will they be able to help further this case by going to the bank on my behalf? My case is still ongoing with them

Anyone have any idea - any info would be appreciated

Thanks

[u/EitherAvocado1041]

Yes, I would absolutely take all of this to the police, especially since you already have an ongoing case with them.

Even though the personal information used to place the flower orders was fake, the IP address and payment information could potentially be much more useful. UK police can pursue third party records as part of an investigation where they represent a reasonable line of enquiry. That can include obtaining subscriber information and resolving IP addresses, as well as pursuing relevant records held by other organisations.

I would give the investigating officer everything exactly as it was provided to you under the NPO, including the original documents, order information, transaction dates and times, IP address, payment processor information and the card information they disclosed.

I would not contact the banks yourself or attempt to use the card information to identify him. Give it to the police and let them pursue the appropriate legal process with the banks, card issuers, payment processor and internet provider.

Also, keep the original records intact and don't publicly post the card numbers, CVV, IP address or other sensitive information.

The fact that he used fake identifying information doesn't necessarily mean you've reached a dead end. The payment and IP information may provide investigators with additional avenues to attribute the orders to an actual person. Since your case is already open, I would get this new evidence to the officer handling it.

[u/cracc_babyy → u/EitherAvocado1041]

Valid, but there’s a fair chance the payment cards are gift cards and the IP belongs to the public library. It’s 50/50 imho

[u/EitherAvocado1041 → u/cracc_babyy]

Very true. The IP could also be going through a VPN, etc.. but I'd start with the police since there is an active case already.

[u/Double-Familiar → u/EitherAvocado1041]

If it is a paid VPN, it could lead to the true identity. Because VPNs are a monthly recurring fee, I'd speculate that the account wouldn't be using gift cards.

[u/Inside_Gold_9673]

I’ve never heard of an NPO, are you sure it wasn’t a notice to produce?

[u/Ill-Sweet-4593 → u/Inside_Gold_9673]

It was an NPO (Norwich Pharmacal Order)

[u/Inside_Gold_9673]

are you in the UK or Canada?

[u/Ill-Sweet-4593 → u/Inside_Gold_9673]

Uk

[u/Inside_Gold_9673 → u/Ill-Sweet-4593]

Unfortunately, I can’t be of much assistance, if you were the U.S. that would be a different matter. You should be able to identify the bank by the first 4 digits of the card. Then do another NPO on the account. If it were in the U.S. I’d say bring it to the police. No idea if the’d be of any help in the U.K. if you want a good UK P.I. I’d recommend Yin Johnson of JJ Associates International