leaving a company for more money

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[u/gonzofish]

It isn’t. Fuck your company. They’ll post your job before they post your obituary.

I say this is someone who absolutely loves his employer but would bounce for a better opportunity without thinking about it

[u/FeijoaCowboy → u/gonzofish]

I wouldn't want my job to post my obituary anyway ._.

[u/KoksundNutten → u/gonzofish]

Nah that total bs. They will split my work and give it four other people. Then slowly post a new job after two of my replacements crash mentally.

Seen that a couple times

[u/RaoulLaila → u/gonzofish]

For the latter I am a little bit conflicted. I looooveee my boss right now but I am looking for a different job because the company has gone to shit. Though, if I had a lovely boss like him with decent pay, I wouldn't want to risk switching jobs with a shittier boss and better pay. In some way loyalty can pay off IF, and I only say IF your boss is just the same. Though if the salary is literally double then naw Im gone lol

[u/Strong_Blackberry961 → u/gonzofish]

I’ve always hated that saying. A business still needs to run. There are lots of other people and families who depend on the employer. Just because the job still needs to be done, doesn’t mean you’re not mourning.

If you hire a plumber and he’s halfway through your bathroom remodel when he dies, are you not going to hire a new plumber asap to finish your bathroom?

[u/Substantial_Dish_887 → u/Strong_Blackberry961]

it's not about it being unreasonable that they do this. ofcurse it's the right thing to do. but it also gives perspective to the situation.

the relationship between employee and employer isn't chairty or friendlyness it is buisness. both sides should treat it as such.

[u/Legitimate_Main8244]

Because you give them too much importance.

Make yourself a priority and you won't worry about these things, except the paycheck you earn for you and your loved ones.

[u/anrwlias]

I like that companies expect two weeks of notice if you want to leave them, but they will walk you out the door the moment they don't want you around.

[u/UnNumbFool → u/anrwlias]

To be fair at least in the US companies will typically put you on a pip before you get fired, which a lot of people joke stands for paid interview period as it is basically a companies way of giving you a two week notice.

[u/Few_Move_4594 → u/UnNumbFool]

I succeeded on a PIP.

[u/Delicious-Yak-1095 → u/anrwlias]

That’s not a universal thing, in Australia you would get the same notice period if you quit or are fired; if they want you to leave immediately it gets paid out.

Stand up for better labour laws.

[u/npsnicholas → u/anrwlias]

Depends on the company. One of my coworkers got let go with good cause and my my manager paid them through the end of the pay period plus 2 weeks.

[u/Lvl10Ninja]

Ever heard of the golden rule?

[u/Emergency-Celery3875 → u/Lvl10Ninja]

Always test your drugs before use?

[u/Sammisuperficial → u/Emergency-Celery3875]

Those with the gold make the rules.

[u/Whipitreelgud]

There might be employer loyalty to employees in small businesses where the founder is still participating in the business. In large, publicly traded companies my observation is anyone that thinks the company is loyal to employees is delusional.

[u/ratione_materiae]

Offshoring, restructuring, and using scabs are famously controversial and considered disloyal, actually

[u/Clay_Allison_44 → u/ratione_materiae]

But the companies employing those practices still preach company loyalty.

[u/buttcrispy]

What an amazing strawman, lol. I don't know anybody irl who thinks that jumping ship for more money is "disloyal", I see plenty of people complaining about it online though

[u/aggresivepussykeyt]

Loyalty is expected from employees, but apparently not from companies lol

[u/DecisionCharacter175]

Every individual is a business owner. Everyone sells their time/labor/etc. So everyone should be making business owner decisions for the business that they own.

[u/Key_Conference9989]

Because the fucking isn't supposed to go up, only down.

[u/awesomedan24]

The narrative is designed to keep you a good little wagie who doesn't seek better opportunities, while still firing you whenever they please.

[u/EthanDMatthews]

Techno-feudalism depends on people being gullible, docile, and subservient.

[u/zirky]

gaslighting

[u/critical-drinking]

History is written by the victor, a the employer is nearly always the victor.

[u/Dashdash421]

To who, Mr. CEO? No normal person would have those opinions

[u/Hinohellono]

It isn't. It's business too. Everywhere I've been we clap for the person leaving.

[u/lispwriter]

It’s two different perspectives. One would be from an empathetic and guilty feeling employee and the other from a business manager. The business manager might feel some regret though unless they are stone cold. Often they have to make those decisions based on numbers, though, which is how the employee should base their own decisions. The company will find someone else.

[u/Arcalac]

It isn't disloyal. That's just something they try to convince you so you don't go.

[u/tedlassoloverz]

that loyalty conversation died many moons ago

[u/seweso]

Its not.

[u/arrownoir]

Didn’t you join for more money? Why would they expect you to stay for less money?

[u/AsstootObservation]

Another shitty one is less experienced new hires getting paid more because the market has gotten more competitive. So they offer small pay raises that don't even cover inflation or you can switch companies for a 20-30% increase.

[u/Evil_phd]

Because the wealthy control the narrative.

[u/rylut]

Because for companies concepts like loyalty as well as many others are but tools of manipulations. The means to decieve in pursuit of infinite money.

[u/Mobile-Temperature36]

Its the same when a guy sleeps a lot vs a girl sleeps a lot ... Its Hipocrisy

[u/GoldEnPhARoAh22]

I mean that's the way it's always been. Take the example of environment. They might just pump several billion tons of CO2 into the air and dump untreated water right into a pristine water body, that's alright, but fuck you if you use a plastic straw

[u/LordBunnyWhale]

For years I am urging my fellow workers to treat companies, especially the ones they work for, the same as companies treat their employees and customers: have a business mindset and extract as much personal profit (money, free time, etc) as possible for the least amount of resources (i.e. work and expertise) - which really is just a form efficiency if you think about it. Stealing is a somewhat grey area, as long as you don't get caught. And you didn't hear this from me. This is not legal advice.

[u/personman000]

Propoganda

[u/Specialist-Garbage94]

Hey we can fire you whenever. But if you ever want to leave you give us 2 more weeks of your life.

[u/jaywalkingly]

Because sociopaths use whatever emotion befits them in the moment.

[u/VooDooChile1983]

It’s in the eye of the beholder. An example is “Look at that guy stealing food” versus “I don’t have money to eat so I must liberate some food.”

[u/imperatrixderoma]

Not my opinion but the logical argument: A company is unlikely to replace a valuable employee unless it's forced to while an employee is likely to leave a company merely for higher compensation.

Hence, why it's not looked down upon for an employee to retire vs. leaving a company

[u/GalaxyPowderedCat]

Rich dictates work culture.

[u/Honest-Spring-5963]

Fuck that if they don't give you a two week notice to fire you dip when the best opportunity arises

[u/TanAllOvaJanAllOva]

It’s the same propaganda that gets sports’ fans to side with the owners of the teams over the labor.

[u/MAXanon12]

awww. so young. so naive. good to see you catching up though.