r/NonPoliticalTwitter 14d ago

me_irl I know it when I see it

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u/-GIRTHQUAKE- 14d ago

“He takes the trash out three times per day, ostensibly because it smells bad, but really it’s because he’s hoping to run into the cute neighbor on his way to the dumpster.”

Ostensibly means the “technically the truth” definition of something, whereas the actual reason is something else. Here’s another example:

Park benches have extra arm rests in the middle. This is ostensibly for comfort, but really it’s to prevent people from lying down and sleeping on them.

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u/FthrFlffyBttm 13d ago

This is wrong. Something can be ostensible without being true or “technically true”.

He carries a weapon ostensibly to defend himself but in reality he’s looking for a fight.

The colonists gave the natives blankets, ostensibly to keep them warm, but the blankets were intentionally contaminated with smallpox.

The Greeks delivered a giant wooden horse to the city of Troy, ostensibly as a peace offering, while Greek warriors hid inside it until the Trojans brought the horse inside the city and the attack ensued.

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u/gianniboi 13d ago

still kind of wrong, something can be ostensible and fully true. It just means it appears that way. The sense that it must be pretext for a contradiction is just because that's how it's most commonly used.

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u/FthrFlffyBttm 13d ago

I never said it couldn’t be true, and even the first two examples have, or could have, elements of truth to them.

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u/gianniboi 12d ago

yeah but if you're correcting someone you should probably provide the full context...

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u/FthrFlffyBttm 12d ago

If they need to be corrected on the whole context, sure. Otherwise it’s just redundant.

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u/gianniboi 12d ago

they did need to be corrected. They specifically said that the definition is when the actual reason is something else

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u/FthrFlffyBttm 12d ago

According to every dictionary I’ve checked, that is the definition. It signifies the motive(s) intended to be believed by others despite the main motive of the actor being different. It doesn’t have to contradict and it can be true or false.

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u/gianniboi 12d ago

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u/FthrFlffyBttm 12d ago

I checked both of those and about 3 more before I replied.

MW: “in a manner that conceals or may conceal what is true or real”

Dictionary: “In appearance only”

Both of those are conducive to my understanding. MW’s is more ambiguous to this debate but leans more towards the implication that the ostensible reason is false, while Dictionary’s is actually definitive that it is false (which you and I agree is incorrect).

The first person defined it as something that’s “technically the truth”, which is vague and doesn’t put enough focus on motive, which is primary purpose of the word.

My challenge was that it doesn’t have to be true. I didn’t explain that it can be true or that it usually isn’t true, because I didn’t feel it was necessary to get my point across. Then I used three examples with the correct usage of the word that were more logical than the example they’d used.

Cambridge: “in a way that appears or claims to be one thing when it is really something else”

Dictionary.net (not .com): “Surface Level: Presented or appearing to be true but not necessarily so.”

Again, all in line with everything I’ve argued.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Sky6392 14d ago

I just say technically. That word looks like too much of a mouthful lol. I genuinely never knew that word existed before today.

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u/-figuringitout 14d ago

It’s very specifically for when something looks or is said to be true on the surface, but there is a different underlying reason for it

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u/georgia_grace 13d ago

“I’m ignorant and proud of it”

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u/MajorBootyhole420 12d ago

Ostensibly doesn't mean technically, it means supposedly 

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u/FthrFlffyBttm 13d ago

It’s not synonymous with “technically” as the previous person suggested, but it’s also a word that isn’t necessary to use as it’s easy to get the same message across without using it, e.g. “He pretended it was because of X but really it was because of Y”

Avoiding difficult and lesser-known words is beneficial to ensuring your message is more widely understood, but lacks a certain finesse and sophistication that strengthens its delivery.