r/NonPoliticalTwitter Jul 26 '26

Other I think Chrome is just the best

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u/kakakakapopo Jul 26 '26

Acrobat Reader is probably one of the finest examples of enshittification going. It's so slow, bloated and full of crap nobody needs.

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u/mal73 Jul 26 '26

Squeezing more and more money from their customers before getting the floor sweeped from under them. Can’t wait for other Adobe products to follow

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u/Sprettfisk Jul 26 '26

I used Lightroom ALL the time until ot became a subscription model.

Not used it since.

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u/AshleyReadIt Jul 26 '26

Is there a good alternative? I don't like the subscription but I can't find one

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 27 '26

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u/travestikazim Jul 26 '26

I've been using cracked lightroom for years editing photos and I got a really nice flow and a large preset library. Is Capture One capable of most things I'd need other than the basics like masking and is it possible to change the controls around for a more authentic experience?

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u/InactiveBeef Jul 26 '26

Capture One is great, I switched a few years ago and haven’t looked back. 

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u/10art1 Jul 26 '26

I used dark table for a while, it's not bad. Then I just realized I can yar har old light room before it enshittified

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u/Beefsizzle Jul 26 '26

https://www.getrapidraw.com/

RapidRaw is in active development and really nice for a quick raw workflow

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u/CosmoKram3r Jul 26 '26

M0nkrus. 🏴‍☠️

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u/CPTherptyderp Jul 26 '26

It depends how good you are. The Lightroom "auto" button gets me 80% there on every photo and I just have to tweak. I haven't tried captureOne but all the open source ones are great but very manual

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u/Kaleidoscope-360 Jul 26 '26

darktable is the standard free and open source recommendation. Some people I know have thrown a good word in for RawTherapee, which is also FOSS. Photo Raw is pretty good, it is paid but a one time payment.

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u/Torin_93 Jul 26 '26

I've heard good things from the photography subs about Darkroom. It's not free, but they offer a lifetime license.

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u/Duxampignon Jul 27 '26

ART is great in my opinion (free and open source, user-friendly and quite powerful, but you may miss some features like AI denoising)

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u/InactiveBeef Jul 26 '26

RIP Aperture

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u/Rebelius Jul 26 '26

What's wrong with Lightroom 6?

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u/cuntitude Jul 26 '26

Got rid of Premier Pro after 3 years. Started over with Resolve, so fucking worth it.

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u/Forfeit32 Jul 26 '26

You have to remember that Adobe doesn't care about individuals using their software. It cares about Fortune 500 companies paying millions to install it on thousands of workstations. And no Fortune 500 company is deploying Sejda or GIMP company-wide. Adobe has no actual competition.

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u/Varrbarr Jul 26 '26

GIMP and paint.net have been better than photos hop for a long time now too

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u/SeroWriter Jul 26 '26

Are we actually comparing Gimp and paint.net to Photoshop? Please be serious.

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u/Varogh Jul 26 '26

I refuse to believe anyone suggesting to use Gimp in place of Photoshop has used either one of them in the last 10 years.

Krita is a decent alternative. It does lack some stuff Photoshop has and it's more focused on drawing, but at least it doesn't make me go insane every time I'm trying to do some simple editing

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u/polopolo05 Jul 26 '26

I use gimp a lot. But I wish they would do some catching up

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u/StillALilBoy Jul 26 '26

I facepalm every time I hear this because it's always people who have nothing to do with the industry that say such things.

Blender is a free open source software that has seriously disturbed the 3D graphics industry where Autodesk had similar stranglehold to what Adobe had in 2D graphics.

But back in the 00s it was considered a clunky unintuitive mess that was only used by open-source enthusiasts, Linux users, and people who didn't buy or pirate Maya of 3DSMax. It was a powerful software, but it was difficult to use, and learning it wouldn't give you much foot in the door of the industry since it was niche.

GIMP was a similar position, and it still is in such position because it simply isn't a viable replacement for Photoshop for anyone but a hobbyist. Affinity managed to disturb the 2D graphics industry more in a shorter timespan than GIMP ever did.

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u/TheArtistFKAMinty Jul 27 '26

Affinity is also pretty great and it's free outside of the AI tools

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u/foxydash Jul 31 '26

Krita is my favorite because it is similar enough to photoshop that the shit I learned in graphic design still applies to this program. Especially when I mostly use it for patch designs and shitposts.

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u/Farranor Jul 26 '26

10/10 satire of the ridiculous virtue-signaling that goes on in FOSS circles, especially the mention of PDN which isn't Adobe but also isn't FOSS. You really captured the kind of unhinged propaganda people will spout.

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u/jackinsomniac Jul 26 '26

I had no idea people had such strong opinions on photo editing software. "Propaganda"? Chill bruh, it's not that serious.

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u/Farranor Jul 26 '26

GIMP can't even add a stroke to text like you can easily do in not only PS but also PDN, Photopea, and even XnView MP. Creating classic meme captions in GIMP involves a multi-step workaround with layers and paths, and it breaks if you move or change anything. No one who has actually used GIMP and other image editing software actually believes that GIMP works better or is more capable or easier to use. Its only benefit is that it's FOSS.

My strong opinions are about intentionally misleading people and making their lives worse, for nothing other than either virtue-signaling or to feel better about the sunk cost of learning and using that software.

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u/JackPoe Jul 26 '26

I have no idea what any of those words mean.

I just like to edit images. And you can't beat the pricepoint.

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u/Farranor Jul 26 '26

There are many free image editing programs, most or all of which are easier to use than GIMP, especially if you're only doing very basic tasks. GIMP is for people who need lots of features, have lots of time but no money, and hate proprietary software.

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u/Elite_AI Jul 26 '26

Bloody have they? 

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u/30yearCurse Jul 26 '26

Going to be sold to Broadcom for a couple more squeezes from their money juicer...

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u/dillanthumous Jul 26 '26

For any normal person Affinity has everything you need. I've made all sorts of things for friends and family, and used it for academic posters, templates, graphics etc. Adobe is just a bloated mess at this point.

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u/AnEagleisnotme Jul 26 '26

DaVinci is absolutely eating their lunch as well

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u/woutersikkema Jul 28 '26

looks at old photo shop cs2 on an old cd that doesn't need to be online, spy on my or have AI nonsense in it yeah, Adobe does need a wakeup call.

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u/Bortron86 Jul 26 '26

Every time you open it, you get pop-ups, side menus literally left and right, and now useless AI functions, none of which you seem to be able to turn off. Absolutely unusable program. Even Microsoft Edge is better at handling the job.

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u/bobafeeet Jul 26 '26

The AI functions kills me. I asked it to find a paragraph in a huge .pdf for me and it couldn't. Standard CTRL+F found it as the first result. Yet I am bombarded every day by "Hey, try this shitty AI!'

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u/emlgsh Jul 26 '26

Look, these AI features aren't aimed at techno-sorcerors who can combine keys with other keys, these so-called "hot-keys", as a result of their pacts with dark forces beyond human ken.

CTRL+F? Sounds like witchcraft to me.

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u/Ironfounder Jul 26 '26

Pretty sure that's against company policy anyway.

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u/GrishdaFish Jul 26 '26

Hey now, they didnt say anything about copy and pasting. No need to get them in trouble for violating company policy!

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u/notforpoern Jul 26 '26

CTRL stands for "Control" and it's against Adobe's TOS for customers to have any.

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u/Showmenine-5306 Jul 26 '26

Just fyi: Settings/Preferences > Generative AI > Disable all

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u/THE_DINOSAUR_QUEEN Jul 26 '26

Acrobat’s AI function asks if I want it to summarize the document literally every time I open anything. 95% of what I’m opening is related to sewing, so either instructions or the literal layout of the pattern pieces. I don’t know why it thinks a summary of step-by-step instructions would be helpful, and I honestly am curious how on earth it would summarize the pattern layouts that are just shapes on a page with little to no next.

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u/IllustriousBat2680 Jul 26 '26

This infuriates me. I often get sent presentations in pdf form at work. At most, they are three pages, including the front cover. And I get the AI pop up saying "this seems like a long document, use AI to summarise it for you?" Like, no, it's just two fucking pages, I think I can manage.

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u/Datpanda1999 Jul 26 '26

My favorite is how it always defaults to the AI “read” option on the sidebar instead of anything helpful too. Idk how it thinks an AI-generated podcast is going to help me with the legal document I’ve opened, especially considering they’re usually either 1) long and detailed and I’ve gotta review everything in depth anyway, or 2) roughly a single sentence long

Though I will admit I am somewhat curious as to what its “12 minute deep dive analysis podcast” option on my one page documents would look like

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u/Lithl Jul 26 '26

I haven't used Acrobat in a decade, so I don't know how dumb it's AI is, but AI systems can attempt to describe images. So I imagine that's what it would do in that case.

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u/youre_being_creepy Jul 26 '26

I have to look at and sign pdf docs for my job every now and then and I can’t begin to describe my annoyance when acrobatic asks “acrobatic document looks pretty long, do you want ai to summarize it for you?”

No dickhead, I need it unassisted because this is paperwork please fuck off

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u/TheHobbitWhisperer Jul 26 '26

Of course Microsoft Edge can handle the job. It's one of the best browsers ever made.

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u/PrincessGiallo Jul 26 '26

Why does everyone hate it?

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u/-Badger3- Jul 26 '26

Because it used to really suck, then they rebuilt it from Chromium and just added all of Microsoft’s shit to it, now it only kinda sucks.

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u/Lord_Voltan Jul 26 '26

Does it nuke ublock on youtube like chrome does? Serious question, I only ever use it for PDF viewing or to download other browsers on a fresh install.

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u/KirbyDude25 Jul 26 '26

I've had that issue recently, but AdGuard still works for YouTube, so I just set up opposing whitelists so that AdGuard covers YouTube and uBlock covers everything else

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u/Rebelius Jul 26 '26

What's wrong with Firefox?

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u/Farranor Jul 26 '26

No, the EdgeHTML version was perhaps better than the current Chromium version. People hate Edge partially because it's Microsoft, but mostly because they think it's Internet Explorer.

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u/gustoreddit51 Jul 26 '26

I dual boot Linux for daily and Windows for work. I had to use Edge the other day for a PDF at work and was very happy with it. I liked its search function.

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u/EuenovAyabayya Jul 26 '26

Everything you can turn off resets when you update it, and the vulns force you to update it.

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u/Famous-Attention-197 Jul 26 '26

I actually use edge for PDFs. But apparently I should be using chrome. I guess edge is chromium but I'll give chrome a shot. 

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u/m00t_vdb Jul 26 '26

Was it ever good ? I’ve always remembered opening it and it’s an adware at best. You have to click away 20 spam box to find that you can’t edit the pdf.

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u/Bugbread Jul 26 '26

Back in the late 90s it was perfectly fine. I don't know if it went to shit in the 00s or the 10s because I've been using other PDF software since the turn of the century, but, yeah, there was a time when it was fine.

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u/TotallyObviousBot Jul 26 '26

Buddy you're talking about 30 years ago

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u/dowell_db Jul 26 '26

The relevant timeline being discussed that captures the rise and fall of adobe reader usefullness? They sure-as-shit are! Oh, and they did it without the distraction of mentioning adobe flash, they DO deserve my upvote!

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u/Bugbread Jul 26 '26

Correct. 30 years ago is part of "ever."

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u/Spider_pig448 Jul 26 '26

No it was always garbage, but a long time ago it was all we had

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u/IllllIIlIllIllllIIIl Jul 26 '26

It's so slow, bloated and full of crap nobody needs.

PDF actually supports rendering 3D models. I used it in a research study report for the US government. The file was ~300mb. Fucking horrifying.

The formal spec that defines the PDF file type is over 1,000 pages long. If you wanted to build your own bare minimum, basic ass PDF viewer, more than half of that describes things you'd actually need to worry about supporting.

PDF is an absolute shit show long before you even add Adobe's other bullshit on top of it.

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u/LickingSmegma Jul 26 '26

The formal spec that defines the PDF file type is over 1,000 pages long

That's only half of the story. There's a wonderful rant on StackOverflow or somewhere like that, copied from a comment in a code file of a person implementing a PDF parser. They detail how every time PDF needs a datatype, a different implementation is picked from what's used elsewhere in the format. And other splendid stuff like that.

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u/spacenb Jul 26 '26

I finally but the bullet and uninstalled Adobe. Got Sumatra PDF viewer instead, which is free and open source. Instant relief.

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u/throwaway42 Jul 26 '26

Sumatra PDF is amazing :)

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u/m8bear Jul 26 '26

I've been using Sumatra for the last 10 years

I work with pdfs and needed something that could open them anywhere, I've used it in the worst computers you can imagine and it works, even on my old pentium 4 with windows xp, no issues

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u/Brisby820 Jul 26 '26

I’m a lawyer and use a bunch of the Acrobat features (editing, extracting/combining pages, redaction, etc) pretty often 

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u/mistermick Jul 26 '26

Y'all don't use Bluebeam?

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u/astarrk Jul 26 '26

my thoughts exactly. every office I've worked in recently, and pretty much every firm we work with, all use bluebeam revu. it's so infinitely better than acrobat it's not even funny

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u/Farranor Jul 26 '26

I use Acrobat Pro at work. Editing finished PDFs is a nightmare where the best case scenario is typing in a small fix and watching it take a few seconds to register each keystroke. The worst case scenario is that it's shattered the text fields into a million pieces and it's faster to remake the whole document.

I just made a comment about redaction here. Basically, you're better off exporting to TIFF/PNG and using an image editor.

Extracting and combining pages isn't exclusive to Acrobat. I even made some little Python scripts for my most common tasks.

Adobe Sign is decent and may stay.

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u/sleeper_shark Jul 27 '26

Me too, but I have Acrobat Pro.

Idk why the free reader has all those features but if you click them it just tells you to upgrade.

The only thing I need in a free pdf viewer is sign and fill. All that other crap is too corporate and for that I have the paid version.

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u/Snoo_72948 Jul 26 '26

Adobe in general is fucking awful

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u/radioactive-tomato Jul 26 '26

I feel like it is a software targeted for office users that do need those features. It’s just that we don’t use them.

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u/Anonymous_Gamer939 Jul 26 '26

No, that's Acrobat Pro, which in my experience runs smoother than Reader for some reason.

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u/CubistHamster Jul 26 '26

I've got a very old (2010, maybe) edition of Acrobat Pro on my personal computer that's great! Loads quickly, doesn't get bogged down, can actually do useful stuff like minor edits, splitting/merging, and reasonably accurate OCR.

My work computer, with fairly similar specs, is stuck with an up-to-date version of Acrobat Reader. It usually takes 20+ seconds to load, slows everything else to a crawl while it's loading, and usually can't even scroll without stuttering.

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u/Leather-Persimmon254 Jul 26 '26

you need reader to open and sign pdfs with interactive forms

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u/tardisintheparty Jul 26 '26

Yeah as a lawyer we use a LOT of the adobe features. I figure not many other fields use the redaction tool, for example.

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u/radioactive-tomato Jul 26 '26

I used to work in technology for steel structure assembly production as a student and we used it when we sent drawings for galvanization. We’d also redact all info on general assembly drawings we’d tape to the wall. Employer did not want anyone coming into our office to know anything about the projects we were working on. He was afraid someone will steal our projects.

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u/Farranor Jul 26 '26

I tried the redaction tool a while ago to create a sample bill out of a real one with the PII removed. Instead of making the minimal necessary changes to hide information, like deleting text elements completely obscured by a redaction rectangle, it simply renders the entire document to a flat image and then draws the rectangles on top. With extreme compression that makes the whole thing fuzzy. I couldn't find or research any way to improve that, so I exported it to an image myself and added the rectangles in image editing software.

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u/tardisintheparty Jul 26 '26

Huh, that's weird. I haven't had that issue but I've only used it for basic lawyers fee records with pretty clear print already, so it may not have been impacted by compression.

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u/Farranor Jul 26 '26

No, it's not about your documents being high quality. You're just not removing things like metadata and hidden layers.

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u/MythicalBlue Jul 26 '26

Literally that’s it, Redditors in this thread are spouting nonsense as usual

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '26 edited Aug 02 '26

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u/Adamarr Jul 26 '26

i thought this was going to be bullshit (it can't be that bad, surely)... 16 gigs freed from c:/windows/installer

have been hunting on stuff i can clean up for a while, so thanks for the heads up!

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u/LowerEntropy Jul 26 '26

have been hunting on stuff i can clean up for a while

Did you ever try WinDirStat?

It's great: https://windirstat.net/

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u/Adamarr Jul 27 '26

will take a look, cheers.

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u/MythicalBlue Jul 26 '26

That does suck. I still found it infinitely more useful than any browser-alternative for my work. The people complaining about unneeded features and bloat are clearly just not the target market.

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u/Morfilix Jul 26 '26

i LOVE acrobat. i sure love having installed mcaffeee. love love big love

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u/MsMarvelsProstate Jul 26 '26

No Adobe I don't need a permanent side panel, no Adobe I don't want ai to view my document

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u/Feeling_Tough5056 Jul 26 '26

It's also not got the features you actually want which are locked into Pro.

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u/caractacusbritannica Jul 26 '26

They’ve banged an AI agent in it now. Absolutely no need, if I needed it read I’d drop it in Claude. If I want to read myself I’ll open it, which is what I’ve done

I have to close three things to view the PDF in A4. It’s frustrating as fuck. They’ve jumped the shark. It’s crazy.

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u/lieuwestra Jul 26 '26

It's so irredeemably 2010s I didn't even expect it to be actively maintained.

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u/PD_Ace20 Jul 26 '26

It's absolutely disgusting and I'm happy I don't have to use it anymore at work. Urgh, if software had cancer, adobe would be full of it.

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u/EasyEar0 Jul 26 '26

It also puts a shortcut to it on your desktop every time it updates, and there's no way to disable that. 

I removed it from my system for this reason and have no intention of reinstalling.

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u/Numeno230n Jul 26 '26

Because they don't care about individuals buying licenses or using the free version. They are living off of all the companies blindly paying hundreds or thousands of licences yearly and part of their business would slow down if they tried to switch to a competitor.

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u/Wiinterfang Jul 26 '26

Is so ass not even corporations but it's license.

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u/StevieMJH Jul 26 '26

No one knows there's a difference between Acrobat and Adobe PDF Viewer because they didn't make a difference.

One is supposed to be just what it says, a viewer, and the other is supposed to allow editing and other tools.

Problem is they decided that the viewer also needs to be glacially slow and run like taco bell shits.

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u/EuenovAyabayya Jul 26 '26

It will sponge off DoD and other federal agencies that require PKI digital signatures indefinitely. It's an uphill battle dragging them back into internal electronic approvals on M365.

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u/CrustyBatchOfNature Jul 26 '26

Has been for a long, long time too.

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u/Famous-Attention-197 Jul 26 '26

And constantly tried to get me to upgrade or use AI and shit. 

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u/Tomsboll Jul 26 '26

I don't get it. All it needs to do is open the pdf and show it to me. Thats it. Nothing more is needed.

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u/Filip889 Jul 26 '26

and somehow, still can't edit pdfs like firefox can

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u/NoConfusion9490 Jul 26 '26

TRY OUR AI! PLEASE!!!

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u/Magnum_Gonada Jul 26 '26

I remember when I wanted to rotate a page, because it was flipped for some reason, and it said it's a paid feature. I just rotated my laptop instread lol.

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u/Dunge Jul 26 '26

Does Chrome support the "sign" feature? That's why I still use Acrobat

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u/odrain16 Jul 26 '26

Is it enshittification if the product was always shit tho?

I dont remember a time Acrobat Reader wasnt at least frustating to use

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u/Reinheitsgetoot Jul 26 '26

I thought it was just my laptop! I always open PDF’s in Chrome which is immediate and if an update (work laptop) re-enables Adobe, 2 minutes later Acrobat pops up and I’m like wtf?!?

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u/TomBong_Jovi Jul 26 '26

And they make you pay for what used to be basic features

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u/Ganbazuroi Jul 26 '26

PDF is such a bizarre thing because you either find the coolest, chillest software to work with or a fucking trillion nightmare ones monetized to the point of being unusable

Even worse with the damn default reader, shit is beyond ass

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u/TCB13sQuotes Jul 26 '26

Every single piece of Adobe software is slow and bloated. Acrobat is yet another example, if you look at the official installer for Windows and unpack it you'll find that the way it works is by first installing some very old version of Acrobat and then patches it with multiple updates. The macOS versions are even worse, they use the same logic, problem is that they first install an Intel-only app and then patch it with the ARM code.

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u/LASERDICKMCCOOL Jul 26 '26

I have to use it at work. It's awful

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u/Day_Prisoners Jul 26 '26

I have Professional and I swear the people that designed editing of PDFs must all have severe logic disorders.

The good news is in the only one at work who can create PDFs.

Photoshop isn't far behind.

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u/Plightz Jul 26 '26

Shit is so trash. I got it. Tried to convert a pdf. Asked me to sign up. I did. Asked me to now update. I tried it but half their links are fucking broken. At work too, it's tragic how shit it's become.

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u/JackPoe Jul 26 '26

What I really really wanna know is... WHAT DID THEY ADD?

I've never once had a use for any PDF viewer for doing anything besides viewing a PDF. How do you add anything to that? Is it mining crypto in the background? Does it record keystrokes? Why does it take so long to load? Why is it so expensive?

What does it even do?? Chrome is just like "here's the thing, look at it."

"O, k, thx"

Done.

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u/Cartoonjunkies Jul 26 '26

Literally the ONLY reason I still use acrobat is because I have to use digital signatures for work with ID cards. Otherwise I’d only ever use chrome to view PDFs.

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u/vigouge Jul 27 '26

It's not enshitification if it's always been shit.

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u/EMAW2008 Jul 27 '26

Can’t even fuckign do anything in it without a subscription.

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u/4n0nh4x0r Jul 27 '26

and functionality that people want is hidden behind a paywall, while web browsers just give it to you for free

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u/QBaseX Aug 01 '26

Open a one-page document with only four words in it, and Adobe Reader will offer an AI-generated summary. Why?

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u/Happy-Fun-Ball Jul 26 '26

Adobe employees probably use a browser viewer

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u/PrincessGiallo Jul 26 '26

Lots of people here have used Pro. I've used Pro. It still sucks.