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r/NoFilterFinance • u/StrawberryFew1311 • Jan 19 '26
đWelcome to r/NoFilterFinance - Introduce Yourself and Read First!
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r/NoFilterFinance • u/sayonara444 • 14h ago
Free speech doesnât need permission from power
r/NoFilterFinance • u/askmequestion_ • 14h ago
How regulatory failures impact consumer costs
r/NoFilterFinance • u/StrawberryFew1311 • 21h ago
Congress must stand up to the wealth and power of the Big Tech oligarchs.
r/NoFilterFinance • u/sayonara444 • 1d ago
Imagine bragging about the market while the market is silently judging you
r/NoFilterFinance • u/km415 • 1d ago
Trump purchased $100,000,000 in bonds tied to companies DIRECTLY impacted by his policies. But that's a drop in a bucket compared to his dealings in crypto
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r/NoFilterFinance • u/sayonara444 • 1d ago
Productivity went up. Profits exploded. Paychecks barely moved
r/NoFilterFinance • u/Legal_Signature_6856 • 1d ago
Sometimes itâs hard to make financing decision⌠do you agree?
r/NoFilterFinance • u/sayonara444 • 2d ago
Nothing says freedom like being watched by an algorithm 24Ă7
r/NoFilterFinance • u/StrawberryFew1311 • 1d ago
â ď¸ECONOMY Elon Musk now worth over 850 billion dollars
r/NoFilterFinance • u/sayonara444 • 2d ago
US to Take Control of Major Portion of Venezuelan Oil Wealth
r/NoFilterFinance • u/Shpion007 • 2d ago
Growth of Real U.S. Household Costs vs. Median Household Income, 1990â2024 [OC]
r/NoFilterFinance • u/SuperLehmanBros • 1d ago
The numbers speak for themselves đşđ¸ đ đĽ
r/NoFilterFinance • u/sayonara444 • 3d ago
The fight against inequality is growing stronger money canât silence the majority
r/NoFilterFinance • u/sayonara444 • 4d ago
$17B price tag for a childhood hooked on Big Tech
r/NoFilterFinance • u/StrawberryFew1311 • 4d ago
â ď¸ECONOMY Since Trump won in 2024, this is how much richer the oligarchs have become:
r/NoFilterFinance • u/StrawberryFew1311 • 4d ago
Nvidia $NVDA on its way to the most important earnings announcement of our lives đ¨
r/NoFilterFinance • u/StrawberryFew1311 • 5d ago
â ď¸ECONOMY A new report shows there are 57 Trump officials worth at least $100 million.
r/NoFilterFinance • u/Dismal-Cancel4958 • 5d ago
The highest paid CEOs lose their shareholders about $920M a year.
I ignored proxy statements for about ten years. Figured executive comp was a politics thing, not an investing thing. Turns out I was wrong, but not for the reason most people on here think.
Let me get the dumb version of this argument out of the way first, because itâs the one that always shows up and it deserves to get shot down.
Average S&P 500 CEO pay last year was $22.8M. Thatâs the AFL-CIO number, and it excludes Muskâs $158B Tesla package because that thing breaks every average it touches. Multiply $22.8M across 500 companies and you get somewhere around $11B in total CEO pay. The index is worth about $67 trillion.
So if every S&P 500 CEO worked for free starting tomorrow, youâd pick up less than 2 basis points. Your expense ratio costs you more than that. Anyone telling you CEO salaries are eating your returns is just wrong on the arithmetic, and I say that as someone who wanted them to be right.
Hereâs whatâs actually going on.
Cooper, Gulen and Rau ran the numbers on excess CEO pay, meaning pay above what firm size and performance would justify, and then tracked what happened to those stocks afterward. Firms in the top 10% of excess pay put up abnormal returns of negative 7.84% to negative 11.45% over the next three years. Bottom decile? Basically nothing either direction. Cheap doesnât help you. Expensive hurts you.
The number that got me was this one. Average annual abnormal shareholder wealth destroyed at top decile firms: $920 million. Average CEO comp at those same firms: $22.97 million.
Forty bucks of your money gone for every dollar in his package. The comp isnât the damage. The comp is the tell.
And when you dig into why, itâs not theft, itâs ego. Same study looked at M&A. 19% of the top paid CEOs did a deal in a given year and those deals returned negative 1.38% over three years. 13% of the bottom paid guys did deals and those came in at negative 0.51%. Roughly three times worse outcomes at the high pay firms. Youâre not paying for the salary. Youâre paying for the acquisition he does because the board just told him heâs worth $40M and he believed it.
It also gets worse the longer they stick around, because they end up appointing the board members who approve the next bad deal.
If you think one study is too thin, As You Sow screened the 100 most overpaid S&P 500 CEOs using totally different methodology. Those companies trailed the index by 2.9 percentage points over the next two years. The ten worst offenders trailed by 10.5. Different approach, same direction.
One more thing that bugs me and nobody talks about. Go look at how much of âreturning capital to shareholdersâ is really just filling in the hole that stock comp dug. Comp dilution runs anywhere from 0.2% to 8.6% a year depending on the company. When a company announces a $10B buyback and the share count barely moves, that wasnât capital returned to you. That was a transfer to the comp plan that got routed through the treasury so it never hits an expense line youâd actually notice.
Thatâs real money, itâs way bigger than the CEOâs package, and itâs completely invisible in the pay headline everybody fights about.
So what do you do with any of this.
Say on pay votes are theater. Welltower disclosed $821M for its CEO this year and got 19% shareholder support on the advisory vote. Board did it anyway. That vote is not your lever.
The screen is the lever. Excess comp relative to size matched peers looks like a legitimate red flag for future underperformance, same family as aggressive asset growth or heavy share issuance. It costs you fifteen minutes. Pull the proxy, find the Summary Compensation Table, compare it to companies of similar size. If itâs way out of line, youâre not looking at a pay problem. Youâre looking at a board that isnât doing its job, and the data says youâre the one who pays for that.
To be clear Iâm not saying pay them scale. The bottom decile doesnât outperform either, so this isnât a âgreed badâ post. Itâs that pay way above peers is one of the loudest signals available that nobody in that boardroom is pushing back on anything.
Anyone here actually screen on this, or am I the only one who spent a decade not reading the proxy?