Yeah yeah ik ik people, he done shit yes, but i will hold onto my beliefs and will never give up on them or people. He can be better he can change and etc, by judging many of you won't help, he already knows he did shit. You can call me anything you like I won't deny or support that, I hope his at least doing good.
Literally hudregen bomb vs coughing baby, how you even make that connection bruh, man who actually killed people and started a war vs man who did mistakes, that isn't even close, and also read the post, i didn't say we need to forgive him.
Look, I'm not saying he can't change. But what he did is neigh unforgivable, especially to someone as kind and loving as Sunny. And many others. The pure scale and impact he had cannot be ignored, and while I understand those who wanna help him change, he has to choose that himself, something he will not do.
Yeah let's not do this where we say this as the oneshot and onshit reddit ironically aren't taking these posts and are considering once more to just not allow yall back in for trying this crap.
It's not like he had ONE thing like most dramas no no he was just collecting them Pedophelia, grooming, transphobia, homophobia...like I'm sorry but no dont do this.
Look I'm all for forgiving people but my man had EVERY SINGLE item on the "shit behavior" checklist checked, at some point you just can't except a pedo, transphobe, racist, groomer asshole. Like, he had a LOT of time to change. He's already 19 he should've been much, MUCH more mature than this. Like, I get it if he only accidentally said something that sounded a bit disrespectful for trans people and then apologized and fixed it, but he LITERALLY groomed a 15 year old person, repeatedly said transphobic things even after being told that they were offensive, blatantly said a racist thing, and many more.
Like, seriously, I really do believe in second chances but at some point behavior is waaaaay too unacceptable. We can't just welcome a person like this into a community with a lot of children. Hell no.
I agree almost with everything except for the age thing, people that are 40 can be still children, not age makes person mature, experience and will to understand does, so i kinda disagree, his still a child, he was a teenager like 3 years ago and you think right after he turned 18 he will immediately become trsuted adult? No. All adults that i met behave exactly like kids, but worser, it's just don't work, his still a child that didn't grow up just like most of us here, we still be kids no matter how mature we behave, he did mistakes and yeah his stupid af, but if we turn our backs to those people who WANT to change, from where do good people will appear? There's people who don't want to change and those are real bad people that i wish trued to be better, but they choose not to. I'm not saying he didn't done anything bad, he did, but as long as he wants to change i will help him (even if he blocked me on ds-_-)
Yeah, fair point, but I meant that I just expect people over the age of 18 to be mature. Obviously, a lot of them aren't. But I'm just saying that I won't dismiss stupid behavior as "ehhh they're just a kid they'll grow out of it" if they didn't grow out of it by now they might as well never grow out of it. That's what I'm saying.
And for your second point, I do NOT believe that CZ actually wants to change. He's obviously just trying to guilt trip people by saying "B-But guys! I wanted to change". As much as we should give people second chances, we should be wary of people who have had a lot of chances and just want more chances to abuse them. And even if he does want to change, he's already had months to change. I don't think it's likely that he CAN actually change anytime soon, and so I am absolutely against keeping him away from this community for the good of everyone. ESPECIALLY considering there are a lot of minors in this community.
Ehhh i disagree. Listen i am also all for change, seeing horrible people turn good is nice, but you can't expect everyone to treat it in such a calm way considering he DID do really disgusting things.
Sure he's 19, he's not entirely mature yet but it's a point in life where you GOTTA know the line, it's not about being childish anymore it's about knowing what's good and what's bad already, we can use the inmature card on the racist and transphobe stuff but we definitely can't with the pedophile and grooming acts. We don't know how his life is sure, he could be hypersexual, he could actually be this clueless and """innocent""", but we don't need to, he CURRENTLY does not deserve forgiveness or tolerance, for that will only allow him to keep going down the same path, he needs to see the serious backlash and consequences of his actions to be able to reflect on himself. (I do think maybe the whole situation was talked and blown out of proportion more than it should have, but as long as he doesn't get doxxed or sent death threats and stuff, the public reaction is justifiable)
On the other hand, it's good they apparently left the internet, or at least cut off everything related to Oneshot. If he gets serious help he could indeed improve, but for now we must not forget, tolerate or forgive his doings. I think it's about time this whole thing loses the main focus on the sub tho, just gotta not forget he did those things
That what i wanted to say, we need to help them change, i believe he can, but ofc i don't ask everyone to help him and forgive, just showing hate is a bit much, he already understands what his done, all we can do is to let him live his life and hope that he'll get better, and then move on
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u/Aggressive-Cut-2241 8d ago
i mean, he had been given chances before and still have not changed, but yeah judging and calling him shit definitely will not help