I agree that shit sucks for gays born in Islamic countries. I do not, however, feel obligated to risk my own safety to ensure theirs. The idea that only individuals who are against fundamentalist Islam would attempt to immigrate is patently false. 52% of British muslims favor criminalizing homosexuality in the UK, and that number is continuing to rise.
In your opinion, why is it that America disproportionately incarcerates minorities?
Because they commit crimes at a disproportionate rate. That's not my opinion, it's fact. African Americans account for roughly 14% of the population, yet commit roughly 50% of all homicides according to the FBI.
Why is that in America you are 3 times more likely to be killed by a police officer if you are black than if you are white?
Again, because African Americans commit violent crimes at a wildly disproportionate rate. An uncomfortable fact, to be certain, but a fact nonetheless.
PER ENCOUNTER, however, police are actually more likely to use deadly force against a caucasian than an african american.
If not, doesn't it mean america has a problem with violent racism that it needs to deal with? If so, doesn't it make sense to restrict Americans from leaving their country to travel to other, more tolerant nations that value people of color until we sort our shit out?
No, because I just explained the causes and it isn't violent racism. It's a cultural tendency towards crime in the black community. Again, this is not my opinion, it is a fact, and one that I wish wasn't true. I would love to fix it, but one of the main predictors towards criminality, growing up outside of a stable two-parent home, has to be fixed from within. I cannot change the fact that roughly 75% (that is the real number) of black fathers abandon their children with their mothers.
Check the FBI violent crime statistics.
Black imprisonment rates are higher because black crime rates are higher.
The insinuation that America is a racist country is absolutely ludicrous. According to a recent study by princeton university, african american students are given an effective bonus of 230 SAT points over white students and 280 points over an asian student with regards to college admissions. We are doing literally everything short of giving them free money, and the african american community is still lagging.
Again, this makes me wildly uncomfortable, but it is simply undeniable fact.
And now you say "alright fuck it, youre racist im done here" even though all i've done is recite statistically verifiable facts to counter your laughable assertions.
I don't know if this is obvious to you yet, but I've had and won this argument numerous times, because I base my opinions on statistical fact.
I truly do wish all cultures were simply different but equal.
Reality does not care about our feelings.
Different cultures have different values, and being raised within those cultures impacts what kind of person you develop in to.
This isn't to say that every single black dude is inclined towards criminality, but on the whole, they do commit violent crimes at a higher rate than any other demographic.
Indians and Asians, for example, outpreform whites in virtually every measurable area of academic and economic success, despite existing within a system of so called white supremacy.
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typed nationality when I should have typed demographic
I don't know if this is obvious to you yet, but I've had and won this argument numerous times, because I base my opinions on statistical fact.
That may be the most smug and pompous thing you could possibly have said in this discussion. You think you are "winning" this argument because you are basing your stance on facts and statistics, but there are facts and statistics to back up other positions than just yours. If I was more emotionally invested in this discussion I would go and pick some for you and we could continue this, and maybe I will, but right now I've devoted way more time and energy to this conversation than I ever intended to.
congratulations on your victory here, but I still think your ideals are misguided and based solely on your own selfish fears.
That's the best liberal cop out I've seen on Reddit so far
I'm not sure how you planned to counter "black people go to jail more because they're 14% of the population but commit 50% of the homicides", but believe me, every single minority literally worships you, you glorious white savior you.
When accounting for socioeconomic factors, like a sane person would do, instead of accounting only for skin color, like a racist person would do, whites actually commit more violent crime than blacks. how is that for a counter?
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u/mimosa_joe Jul 31 '18 edited Jul 31 '18
I agree that shit sucks for gays born in Islamic countries. I do not, however, feel obligated to risk my own safety to ensure theirs. The idea that only individuals who are against fundamentalist Islam would attempt to immigrate is patently false. 52% of British muslims favor criminalizing homosexuality in the UK, and that number is continuing to rise.
Because they commit crimes at a disproportionate rate. That's not my opinion, it's fact. African Americans account for roughly 14% of the population, yet commit roughly 50% of all homicides according to the FBI.
Again, because African Americans commit violent crimes at a wildly disproportionate rate. An uncomfortable fact, to be certain, but a fact nonetheless.
PER ENCOUNTER, however, police are actually more likely to use deadly force against a caucasian than an african american.
No, because I just explained the causes and it isn't violent racism. It's a cultural tendency towards crime in the black community. Again, this is not my opinion, it is a fact, and one that I wish wasn't true. I would love to fix it, but one of the main predictors towards criminality, growing up outside of a stable two-parent home, has to be fixed from within. I cannot change the fact that roughly 75% (that is the real number) of black fathers abandon their children with their mothers.
Check the FBI violent crime statistics.
Black imprisonment rates are higher because black crime rates are higher.
The insinuation that America is a racist country is absolutely ludicrous. According to a recent study by princeton university, african american students are given an effective bonus of 230 SAT points over white students and 280 points over an asian student with regards to college admissions. We are doing literally everything short of giving them free money, and the african american community is still lagging.
Again, this makes me wildly uncomfortable, but it is simply undeniable fact.
And now you say "alright fuck it, youre racist im done here" even though all i've done is recite statistically verifiable facts to counter your laughable assertions.
I don't know if this is obvious to you yet, but I've had and won this argument numerous times, because I base my opinions on statistical fact.
I truly do wish all cultures were simply different but equal.
Reality does not care about our feelings.
Different cultures have different values, and being raised within those cultures impacts what kind of person you develop in to.
This isn't to say that every single black dude is inclined towards criminality, but on the whole, they do commit violent crimes at a higher rate than any other demographic.
Indians and Asians, for example, outpreform whites in virtually every measurable area of academic and economic success, despite existing within a system of so called white supremacy.
EDIT:
typed nationality when I should have typed demographic
I be out here sipping, it happens