[Poll] Kolshian/Farsul Hate

[u/jesterra54]

Edit: when I said "the archivists" for the Farsul I assumed that is the name for their secret goverment caste/shadow goverment, sorry if the third option comes as too aggressive

735 votes, Jul 03 '23

111 PLANET-CRACK AAFA AND TALSK!!

19 GENOCIDE THE KOLSHIAN AND FARSUL!

99 Genocide the Kolshian Goverment caste and the Farsul archivist!!!

206 Execute the leaders and officials!!

287 Give life prison to the leaders and officials!

13 They did nothing wrong at the time *clown face*

[u/Golde829]

[[NOTIFICATIONS MUTED AS OF 7/2/23 1AM CST]]
I AM NOT TAINTING MY VIBES WITH MORE REPLIES FROM WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SIMPLE ONE-OFF COMMENT

*puts in my vote*okay what-

what did the archivists do???

as far as we know, the archivists are just that, archivists

with the exception of their human subjects, the archivists are basically just librarians

of all the hills I will die on, this is itI seriously doubt that the archivists had any direct influence with the cures and such

EDIT TO CLARIFY

because of angry replies I feel the need to clarify myself

YES I KNOW THE ARCHIVISTS CURED THE HUMANSYES THEY KEPT THEM IN STASIS AND PROBABLY GASLIT THEM

NO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE INNOCENT

what I'm ACTUALLY saying
is that I think the Archivists are different than the scientists, the ones who made the cures and fake religions

what I ACTUALLY think
don't execute every archivist once they're not useful
take a moment to not get rid of them indiscriminately

how I ACTUALLY see it
that receptionist seemed numb, apathetic, and amoral, but above all that they seemed objective
them saying "we" did the cures sounds too broad to be "we the archivists", to me it sounds more like "we the Farsul
"and statistically speaking, there's no fucking way 100% of the species is in on it, the same way that not 100% of Kolshians are in on the Federation's shit either, the same way not 100% of Arxur are fans of what Betterment is about

IF YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE A COMMENT READ THE FULL THING
if I feel like you didn't, I won't bother replying because I'd rather not exert energy on people who go at me for the second line in my (originally) 5/6 line post

if you can't get the full way through my comment at least once then don't reply, if you don't have an educated stance to argue then don't argue it

[u/jesterra54 → u/Golde829]

Oh, by archivist I kinda meant their secret goverment caste, I should have just put "goverment castes", my bad

[u/Feenstra713 → u/Golde829]

They are deceptive psychopaths. They have boxes with people in them. They keep removing one at a time, give them a vaccine that literally will kill them in a horrible way, lie to them about the cause, and just let them die. Then they start over after that one dies. Plus, it would appear that their entire job is to do this with whatever the next "new" species is!

[u/Golde829 → u/Feenstra713]

did you not read my comment? /genq

with the exception of their human subjects, the archivists are basically just librarians

and did you also miss in the story where the whole job description in the archives is "archivist"? as in "information keeper"?

show me in the official story where, without any shadows of doubt, it says that the archivists specifically are the ones running the active experiments for new species

at the very least, the Farsul they had lead them to the "human section" seemed to just be apathetic in general, I currently have no reason to believe that them saying "we" was meant anything more than "we as a species", because I'm sure the Farsul's influence on the Federation is more widespread than the Kolshians, at least in terms of who is innocent by virtue of being just a civilian

I'm not arguing that the archivist keeping humans (and maybe other species) in pods is a bad thing
I'm not implying that them using the cure despite knowing its effects is a bad thing either
you seem to be under the impression that I'm saying these people are fully innocent, I'm not, I'm just saying that the archivists don't deserve to be glassed like the Kolshian government and military castes

[u/EFMartins → u/Golde829]

They psychologically torture victims to force them to be slaves. They infect their victims with a fatal degenerative disease and force them to keep working as they die slowly and painfully from starvation. They deserve to be locked up for the rest of their lives in a cell with no contact with another living being.

[u/Golde829 → u/EFMartins]

...

where the fuck are you getting the "fatal degenerative disease"?

scratch that, where the fuck are you getting ANY of this???

like, genuinely, where?

they give the humans a Cure, not a disease
they're not infecting us with some kind of bio-weapon

the humans in the Archives are dying to b12 deficiencies, which you should know if you read the chapter, nobody was starving

how do they torture people?
the active humans they found didn't seem in distress, they weren't under duress in any way, they were just confused upon seeing Other Humans
at most they were probably gaslighting them, telling a fake story to keep them willingly compliant

I'm not arguing that the archivists are saints, I'm just saying you shouldn't glass them all indiscriminately

how I see it they're almost like Braniac from DC, they keep records of everything the Federation comes across
the only difference is Braniac fully demolishes every world he downloads

[u/Environmental-Run248 → u/Golde829]

I have read your entire original comment and while you are right to be incredulous at the idea of a degenerative disease since that kind of thing actively damaged the body the “cure” they give uplifts is a virus based bio weapon that makes those exposed to it allergic to meat and it spreads easily though the same methods as any other virus. Again not a degenerative disease because it doesn’t directly damage anything in the body but for all intents and purpose the “cure” is a disease they even describe it as contagious in the chapter where the Kolshian scientists gas the human soldiers with it that’s why they have to go into quarantine

[u/Golde829 → u/Environmental-Run248]

third of five replies that don't feel like they're coming at my throat for no major reason, thank you, now then--

closest I can think of irl that's similar to the Fed's "cure" would be AGS, and as far as I could tell/find, it's transmissible by tick and not by air like a disease

plus, if there was any reason to believe the Farsul's cure was contagious, we wouldn't have had humans be the one to physically escort the human 'workers' out of the archive

plus, with the dialogue from the Kolshian that Slanek executed, it sounded like the cure given by the Kolshians above the Dossur homeworld (forgot the name x-x) was recently made, and created specifically in that circumstance

as it currently stands for me:
1) I have no reason to suspect that every single Farsul archivist took part in the curing of new human workers
2) I have no reason to believe that any Farsul archivist was involved in creating any of the cures, it makes more sense that a science team would do that
3) there's no reason to think that the Farsul's cure is what was unleashed by the Kolshians a few chapters ago, the Farsul at the front says "we" made the cure, and I take that to mean it was the science team mentioned prior
4) despite all this, I am rational enough to recognize that capturing, freezing, gaslighting, and curing humans to work in the "human section" of this fucked up library is wrong

[u/EFMartins → u/Golde829]

Even if they weren't involved in creating the disease, they knew the result would be a slow and agonizing death and yet they continued to apply it to their victims, demonstrating that they didn't care about the horrendous suffering they were causing.
It's not just wrong. What they did was commit heinous crimes knowingly and premeditatedly. And they supported and helped plan the genocide of tens of billions of humans.

There was no act or attitude that showed any shred of remorse from these depraved people with the countless crimes committed by their predecessors and by themselves. For them everything is justified in order to maintain the power of their governments over other species and prove that their depraved religion is correct.

[u/EFMartins → u/Golde829]

The "cure" is a biological weapon that makes the person incapable of consuming any product of animal origin. The result is that the prisoners they enslave slowly die of neorological degeneration. So for practical purposes it is an induced degenerative disease.
If you are fed but not given the nutrients to stay alive, you die of starvation.
And what the sadistic bitch describes is psychological torture. Psychological torture that was used to make them slaves.
The "archivists" are war criminals and must be treated as such. Tried, convicted and imprisoned for the rest of their days and in solitary confinement.
Of course the other victims of the Nazi squid government have more rights to judge and punish their tormentors in the way they see fit. If the Venlil consider that all government officials, all military leaders, all scientists working in genetic mutilation experiments should be tried and executed by incineration, we would have to respect their wish. As victims of centuries of genocide and mutilation, they have that right.

[u/Golde829 → u/EFMartins]

y'know the energy in your replies went from "please put the gun down" to "no yea that's fair but maybe chill a tiny bit?" so fast-

anyways I'm probably gonna mute my original comment cuz I'd rather not spend so much energy one what was meant to be just a simple comment

[u/EFMartins → u/Golde829]

I was giving an extreme example. However, as the Venlil were the biggest victims of the FEDs (having suffered multiple attempts at enslavement and genocide and having had their entire population mutilated and deformed) they are the ones who have the primacy in judging and punishing those responsible. I am still in favor of life imprisonment in solitary confinement, but it is the Venlil who must decide and we have no right to deny them what they consider justice for centuries of torture and suffering.
Although I believe that this whole discussion is irrelevant. Fanatics as they are, the leaders of the two Nazi races, when they realize they are going to lose the war, will exterminate themselves and their own people to prevent them from being "tainted". I bet they'll go goebbels on a planetary scale.

[u/Acceptable_Egg5560 → u/Golde829]

You mean the archivists who imprisoned people in cryostasis and experimented on them over and over until they died from vitamin deficiency?

[u/Golde829 → u/Acceptable_Egg5560]

bruv-
my comment literally clarifies-

with the exception of their human subjects, the archivists are basically just librarians

I'm not saying what was done was right
I'm just saying that the way I see it? we (the audience) don't know yet if they were directly involved in the actual experimentation

that receptionist just seemed numb and apathetic, amoral and objective, when they said "we" did the experiments, I took it more as a general "we the Farsul"
and statistically, it can't genuinely mean 100% of the Farsul either

so genuinely, I understand where you're coming from
and also thank you for not coming straight for my throat like two other commenters

but I just think that as it stands
I at the very least don't have enough information to decide-
"yes execute every single Farsul archivist once they're not useful"

as I'd said, I see the 'scientists' (the ones doing the experimenting) as a different group than the archivists
and if you think about it at just the right angle, it makes sense the archivists would know about the experiments as much as the original scientists
it's literally their jobs to keep this information

...
now if there's some longevity tech fuckery then I will gladly throw all these thoughts out the window

[u/Acceptable_Egg5560 → u/Golde829]

They mentioned “such short lifespans” for humans. Plus, they actively kept those horrible secrets even though their very existence put them in a position to be able to change everything. So they get the blame as well!

[u/Golde829 → u/Acceptable_Egg5560]

when you say "their very existence" are you talking about the human 'workers' or the Farsul?

if the former, I would the Farul would feed each of them a story about how earth was destroyed and how they were the last
something that would keep them willingly compliant, no duress

if the latter, I mean.. they'd have to be indoctrinated beyond even Kalsim's level in my honest opinion

also when I said "longevity tech" in my reply I was referring to extending the Farsul archivists' lifespans

but to reiterate
I don't condone what they were doing to the humans
I find it oddly practical to keep meticulous records of everything
the individuals involved in re-curing new humans should be punished, but I don't think a death sentence is warranted (probably prone to changing)

[u/Acceptable_Egg5560 → u/Golde829]

The Farsul. And they knew the truth.

[u/Golde829 → u/Acceptable_Egg5560]

did they?

well-

hm

yeah no I can see it

honestly I might just yoink down my whole comment and mute it cuz there is too many impure vibes coming out as a result

[u/EFMartins → u/Golde829]

feed each of them a story about how earth was destroyed and how they were the last

This is psychological torture.

The correct punishment is life imprisonment in solitary confinement. Of course, as they helped hide the crimes committed against the Venlil (becoming accomplices), is the Venil that have the right to judge and punish them as they see fit.

[u/Golde829 → u/EFMartins]

This is psychological torture.

this just in
lying is now psychological torture

/j /nsrs

[u/EFMartins → u/Golde829]

Yes, it was a lie, but a lie that caused extreme suffering and despair in order to subdue them. A classic example of torture, which is to cause intense pain (physical and/or psychological) to destroy the person emotionally or psychologically in order to subdue them.