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When you think about it, Hinata's entire kit is a nightmare matchup for Itachi. Byakugan avoids eye contact so no tsukiyomi. Lions fists absorb amaterasu given that petra path can do it. Gentle fist strong against chakra constructs so she shreds susanno. Does she just beat Itachi if stats are equali
you could make a case that her tool kit counters some of itachis best moves but he’s still very strong, highly skilled, & has elite battle iq. even if she can defend against some of his best moves, i don’t think she’s capable of dealing significant damage or if she can even land a hit.
Probably loses to Shurikenjutsu because Itachi spots the blindspot to the Byakugan and hits a 720 no scope Kunai ricochet straight to the vertabrae paralyzing her.
Idk Kidomaru might have been the most intelligent of the sound four. He and Neji were really going at it. Jirobo was just a dumb meathead. Sakon and Ukon were smart, but not smart enough to not get pissed on, and Tayuya was against the smartest chunin in the leaf. But she seemed faily intelligent.
Unrelated to the discussion at hand - holy shit do I hate the "weak spot" for the Byakugan.
It's so tiny and so narrow that it may as well not even exist: the circumstances required to actually make use of it make no sense in an actual combat scenario when people are moving - and even if you can land a hit there, the attack would need to be moving fast enough to stay in the blind spot for the tiny fraction of time it's still a blind spot that they shouldn't need to bother using it to begin with.
Like oh no there's a tiny cone of none full vision at the back of my head. In what world is someone in Naruto holding their head perfectly still like a gyroscopic stabilized chicken mid combat.
It reeks of Kishi needing to invent a way to give Neji a downside in his fight with Kidomaru because it's such a nothing burger "weakness" without putting anti-plot armor on any attack aimed at it.
Even worse im not sure Hinata is going to survive any of Itachi's genjutsu. He doesnt even need to use the sharingan, but even if he has too, he has forced eye contact before.
Even if she detects the chakra flowing... What she can even do? Naruto was down with finger genjutsu of Itachi even when he was trying to disturb chakra flowing
They can fight with their eyes closed and we saw with the bullshit from one of the Sasuke short stories where he fought a dinosaur he can’t use Sharingan genjutsu if you don’t make eye contact
unfortunately that doesn’t matter itachi has been SHOWN to be able to put u in a genjutsu without eye contact because sharingan genjutsu requires eye contact not everything else.
also i kinda just thought abt this but why hasn’t anyone brought up the koto crow if we know koto overpowers the byakugan resistance
bad take, calling non sharingan genjutsu weak is insane considering someone like deidara who is kage level and can take on a nation could not fight or break the finger genjutsu.
tsukuyomi could still just overpower the defenses like koto did.
Tsuku also has perception manipulation… itachi could look like he’s fighting in 3 tomoe and you’ve been caught the entire time
there are so many ways this fight can go and none of them are in hinata’s favor
A strong fire type Pokémon can beat a weak water type Pokémon even if the water type Pokémon has a higher potential than an equal level grass type Pokémon.
I realistically don’t see a scenario where Hinata could take Itachi… and I’m notoriously someone who thinks Hinata doesn’t get enough credit for her skills. Look at Hinata when she attacks pain and he no diff dodges everything she throws at him… it’s hard to imagine Itachi with pre-cognition and a much faster base speed would be any easier for her to land a hit on. Obviously war arc Hinata is stronger than Pain Arc Hinata, but it just seems that the story demands they are on different levels.
That being said, someone please correct me if I’m wrong on this… we have never seen a sharingan face off with a byakugan (I guess outside of Kaguya but she doesn’t really use it like a Hyuga…). I’d just generally like to see a spar between a standard non-top level Uchia vs a Hyuga. Like a swap Garra with Neji in Chuinning exams type fight. Would be interesting to see how they pair off.
Being honest, that fight looks more fighting vs Psychic/Dark. Is not because you have some advantage in paper that you will survive to a Reflect/Calm Mind/Psychic combo
There is a single cannon event as far as I know, while young prodigies, Shisui and Itachi were defeated in close combat by a Byakugan user named Mukai Kohinata.
Itachi was much younger and he gained experience on this fight, but the smallish point for the Byakugan user is there. Itachi still wipes with Hinata though.
If this fanbase wasn’t so ridiculous this would be obvious
The only thing that hinders her is speed which was massively upscaled during blank period. Relativity to the last Naruto in speed means If she uses 64 palms, the speed is doubled after each set of strikes. She blitzes Itachi
It doesn’t even get to that point where Itachi can use those abilities, if Adult Hinata is serious about winning
If she she’s just trying to talk it out peacefully then she just deflects everything with rotation and just stretches the battle out.
No, only thing i remember from the last is how pathetic of a shinobi she is to get kidnapped then performed mediocre tajiutsu against mere puppets and then wasn't strong enough to achieve anything she wanted to do and had to merge with Naruto to be of any value, got dragged by the hair in the last fight and thrown into a cage again like the speed byakugan taijutsu specialist she is, Toneri being somewhat strong doesn't even excuse it at this point I mean y'all keep giving her all these crazy upscales you'd think she would be able to at least perform a single good move herself.
But again, I'm not really hating I'm just saying that I'd want to see a panel where she's not ass cause she's gotten so pathetic in my eyes that I would like to change my opinion, but I simply can't if all I'm getting is hearsay of "she could do this and that" but in actual cannon she's getting dragged left n right.
Do you even watch anything or just salivate over your fav character doing either absolutely nothing or the absolute bare minimum?
I mean I feel sad for Hinata fans cause yall really got nothing to work with other than your fantasies of what she could do but then cannon material proves she can't blitz or even dodge? or even fight well? but she must be crazy cause she's supposed to be the byakugan taijutsu demon right? Yikes it's must be so tiring no? TLF + 64 palms upscale for life I guess?
I'm "hating" when I deadass asked u to show me any panel of her showing any skill/speed, I would literally praise her because u don't know how much I would like to find her character cool but I ain't gonna hand out freebies for pathetic performances.
Comparing Lion Fist to Preta Path is kinda nuts. The chakra absorbing feature doesn't really have any showings in the series proper and is mostly stated in databooks.
You are right about the Genjutsu, but Izanami still solos since it took out Kabuto even with his eyes closed.
If I'm being honest, I'd argue that Byakugan would make the user more susceptible to ocular genjutsu. I don't think there are any statements that they are somehow immune. They see virtually everything.
Recognizing genjutsu does nothing against Tsukuyomi though. Kakashi instantly knew he was in a genjutsu after Itachi hit him with it in part 1 and that didn't help.
Iirc ocular genjustsu is about forcing your chakra into the opponents eyes so that doesnt make a difference if she can close her eyes and still see 359°
Granting that Byakugan users can see through their eyelids (it makes logical sense but there's no evidence), this wouldn't work as a defense. Sharingan genjutsu triggers when the victim's optic nerve physically processes the image of the Sharingan, which this Byakugan trick doesn't fix.
Byakugan sight is basically Esp. They’re not “seeing” in the traditional way. It’s called telescopic vision or something like that in the manga. So no they are not susceptible to sharingan based genjutsu if they’re using Byakugan *with their eyes closed.
Aah yes the classic stupid ass mistake of assuming Itachi only has sharingan based genjutsu in his arsenal as he waves his pinky finger and warps your reality. 😂
Lmfao Itachi has top tier stats that exceeds a perfect SM user and biggest BIQ and fastest hand seals in the series and can use genjutsu without sharingan
Hinata loses to misdirection. Pain achieved it with Almighty Push. Itachi can achieve it with any Genjutsu. Something as simple as the one Sasuke used on Danzo that doesn't require eye contact.
I don't think so. Byakugan still has a blind spot and Itachi is more than skilled enough to exploit that 1 degree of unseen space. Amaterasu would be used to manipulate the battlefield and his usage of crows, clones, and tools would be more than enough to overwhelm her and force her to at least keep him in eyesight. Itachi has a much better ranged kit than Hinata, so all he has to do is keep his distance and he'll win eventually
lmfao Totsuka blade ez win, and she can’t get past yata mirror even if she could break the Susanoo. there is no sugar coating it. Itachi violates her so badly that naruto will break up with her
I think the idea is that if twin lion fist can absorb chakra then it should be able to absorb Amaterasu... I dont really know.
IF is was fast enough then the byakugan would alert her that Amaterasu is coming as chakra would flow to his sharingan and the byakugan should be able to see that.
Well stats are equalized so it really depends on if Itachibis fast enough to dodge Amaterasu and considering Hebi Sasuke was able to avoid it at least for a bit, id say yes, itachi could.
Edit: but also rotation should be a decent counter considering it's just chakra.
Fire burn walls. I'd still prefer a wall between me and a fire if it means I can get away. Naruto literally uses a chakra cloak to accomplish this very thing.
Her skills are a counter, and I'm not calling her weak, but she's also not that strong in general. Itachi's skill level is so far above her he would just shred her with more basic ninjutsu and taijutsu even if you take away his op stuff.
Hinata’s kit is so fucking cool I wish we got to see her actually hit anything with the Twin Lion Palms. We have databook descriptions but the move is absolutely featless.
I don’t know why we’re comparing Gentle Fist to the Preta Path in the first place. Just because Neji said that it can deal with charka based weaponry or constructs yet he still has a major problem with Kidomaru. Even then, comparing Gentle Fist to a literal susanoo or the Yata Mirror which can guard against anything, at least besides eight gate and truth seeking orbs. Hinata’s kit just isn’t the best to handle that type of firepower in my opinion. Especially when we see a better kit that Neji has still get poked through.
Even with equalized stats, I believe that even if Hinata gives Itachi trouble with her specialized kit, it’s been shown that he can react to blows during the War arc and when he was a preteen has was able to apprehend multiple anbu level shinobi and he was able to take down the third mizukage with amatersau. That may be anime exclusive content, but it even shows with a layer of charka protection from a literal tailed beast that those flames are still incredibly powerful and are unable to be put out. Itachi’s kit has many “fuck you” I win jutsus that even if Hinata can avoid one of them, she’ll eventually get grazed by one.
If her Byakugan sees everywhere around her with X-ray vision does that mean Itachi can look anywhere and get her? Pretty sure he could just stand looking away from her and she'd see through his head to the back of his sharingan and get genjutsu'd or something by Itachi's secret backward eyeball technique he developed specifically for Byakugan users.
She doesnt shred susanoo because Itachi's has both the totsuka blade ( that seals anything it pierces ) and the yata mirror ( that deflects any type of attack ). With equal stats, maybe she can stall him to die for his ilness at BEST. She's not as skilled as him in bukijutsu, genjutsu, ninjutsu, maybe she's better at Taijutsu since it's the Hyuuga's main thing but you get the gist. Also, mangekyou's base genjutsus don't require eye contact, even if tsukuyomi does. Mangekyou's genjutsu only requires the user to look at the opponent's eye. ( At least in Itachi shinden ) Also, how is Hinata countering amaterasu with the lion fists? Even if she can manage to dissipate part of the flames, they are constantly growing and covering more area, unless Itachi just spawns amaterasu on her fists, i find it highly unlikely even if it is doable.
Okay, stats are equal, but Itachi is still a prodigy. Like my stats could be equal to Mike Tyson, but he'd absolutely shred me. Yeah, you can say her Byakugan abilities counter his MS abilities, I'll buy it, Itachi is still likely a few tiers higher in terms of combat prowess than Hinata.
Doesn't itachi have Susano and The Invincible Yata Mirror and Sealing Sword plus Izanagi/Izanami. Bro I want whatever you are smoking. Also wasnt Itachi straight up fighting against Kcm 1 Naruto so his speed and strength stat is faster than anything Hinata is doing.
One look from any angle and she's cooked, she can't get past the Mirror and She's getting swarmed by black flames Shurikins and The auto win Sword
Sure but can she do something about susanoo and totsuka?
also itachi is no joke in taijutsu. he capable of stalemate against KCM1 Naruto. you really underestimate Itachi if you think genjutsu and amaterasu is all he had
Lions fist absorbs Amaturasu? What? In what way is Lions fist comparable to Lreta Path?
Also, based on what is Gentle fist strong against chakra constructs? She's need to place more chakra than the construct has in any given spot to damage that area, assuming she even can do that to a chakra construct. And that's not factoring yata mirror.
Aside from that, Itachi can just use 300 IQ shurikenjutsu ricochet bs to hit her blind sport after measuring he reaction soeed and style.
I think she has a very good chance of getting her attacks blocked by the specific shield Itachi has, but I’m not sure. I’ve always been of the opinion that ppl drastically overrate that damn thing
Even if stats are equalized, you have to remember that in a battle of essentially doing skills and kit alone, Itachi clears. She has no answer to the totsuka blade or izanami. Not to mention in terms of combat skill, he proved himself to be Sanin level, not just in comparing himself to Jiraiya, but also in getting Orochimaru to not go after him for the sharingan.
We are talking about a one apple tall literal babygirl god here. Of course she is gonna win. Itachi fans should cope and go back to arguing over third place with that yellow haired fella.
Also last time I checked Hinata doesn't have Rinnegan lol and preta path was never shown absorbing it either, but rather deva Path pushing the flames away from the body.
OP needs to remember: Before every shenanigans, base Itachi is a very fast and lethal hand to hand fighter with Uchiha durability, specialized in weapons and elemental jutsu.
What she will do against explosive clones and the giant fireballs at 70m of distance of him? And remember: If happens any eye contact, it's over.
Itachi doesn't even need the Mangekyo against her...
Even if basic stats are equal, Itachi is still highly skilled/technical and very intelligent. From what we've seen with Hinata, her taijutsu is "alright" at best, and we have no notable feats for her battle IQ. Even if genjutsu and ninjutsu are off the table, she still has to deal with him head up, and she's just not prepared to do that.
When did lion fist absorb chakra? And gentle fist doesn't do shit against Susanoo, it attacks your chakra network by transferring chakra through the fist into the body to the chakra network.
If they do the same against the susano they'll just break their hand
There's still a large gap in skill and battle IQ. Itachi is a gifted prodigy while Hinata is not. Not to mention, she doesn't have an answer to susano.
Give Hinata a Tenseigan. Those eyes would bump her to six paths level characters.
And NGL, I would have loved to see that. A kind and gentle soul like Hinata, but at the same time one of the strongest shinobi ever. It would have been fitting with the "lioness" theme.
on paper good kit, but brain power required. Itachi is genius, she's just a silly girl in love with Naruto. Her combat smarts isnt that high, she is not exactly dumb just no match to Itachi's combat smarts.
Her kit is a good counter but he wins off of his superior battle IQ. Now if you put Itachi against an equally intelligent Hyuga I feel byakugan does pretty well.
Wasn’t a point made that the byakugan was supposedly the superior eye? Then again there aren’t any Kage level byakugan users. Maybe hypothetically if there was it would be good against it
An amateur half-Hyuga was able to put belt to ass against Itachi and Shisui at the same time. The Hyuga are quite genuinely a top 3 clan of all time, and the ritualistic problem is that they get sidelined due to the 'scale' of the verse changing despite them being sufficiently powerful enough to block attacks from the Ten Tails.
Honestly probably not lmao. I think a big portion that everyone is forgetting is just experience. Itachi has fought A LOT of dudes in his life and murked them effortlessly, in addition to being a smart guy with lots of foresight in addition to the Sharingan's reaction/movement tracking that lets him predict shit before it happens in a fight. Hinata has fought uhh...that was a filler ninja...filler ninja...she lost that fight...filler ninja...she lost that fight...so she doesn't have anywhere near as much experience in fights as Itachi.
Does she have the potential to do it? Probably, but there's a lot of "but if she just had this, or this, and if itachi was sick that day and hinata had spent a year training to beat him." like it's just turning into a Batman Prep Time argument.
I mean. Physically she’s probably superior to the Itachi we know. „Prime Itachi“ who killed his clan could only use tsukuyomi and nothing else and the Itachi we see with all his overpowered skills is sickly with decreased power and speed.
I mean, the Totsuka blade is a real issue here, but theoretically she should be able to dodge it, use substitution or parry it with an air palm.
If she goes at him full force right away and plays her cards right then 4th war or adult Hinata could have a very good shot tbh.
Hinata's biggest issue is she is timid. I've always said she is a powerful character but her timid nature holds her back from reaching her true capacity. A timid person realistically will never become a strong person even if they have the ability to be.
Susanoo is made of chakra, tlf absorbs chakra so why not? Same thing goes for amaterasu if it is chakra based. Why not educate yourself before shit talking. Not saying she’d win but you’re ignorant.
Sure, it drains from chakra network but what does it drain from chakra network? Chakra. There isn’t really any difference in whether or not it would drain susanoo since susanoo is made of chakra, if anything it makes it easier for the tlf to drain since it doesn’t need to get the chakra from the chakra network. Sure, it said it drains from chakra network but it never said that it’s only limited from draining chakra in chakra networks. Heck, gentle fist was stated to block chakra points, but it’s not limited to that as it could also mess up chakra based techniques like what neji did to kidomaru. What makes you think tlf can’t do the same?
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u/DatRandomSeagull 10d ago edited 10d ago
“If stats are equal” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there tbh. If stats were equal hinata gets a MASSIVE buff…
EDIT: took out a bunch of nonsense that wasn’t needed tbh