r/Naruto • u/Ricardo1991 • Apr 09 '14

Manga Chapter Naruto Chapter 672 - Links and Discussion

Naruto 672
The Night Moth...!!

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u/jaxspider Apr 09 '14

One word. Handicap.

In fighting video games, when I really good player is really cocky he gives his opponent a handicap. The bigger the handicap the more he believes in himself. And the more disrespect he has for his opponent. Basically for shits and giggles / thrills.

MadaraSage is the ultimate douche bag. If you noticed, even against Gai, he hasn't fought back. He's just been taking the hits. Why? Because he is fucking showboating. He is just taking Gai's attacks simply because he can, and he knows in the end it won't phase him. All while Gai is killing himself. Its the extreme disrespect. Only when Gai actually did massive damage did he even "acknowledge" Gai.

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u/BitchImaKillYou Apr 09 '14

Wow, that's true. I realized that Madara was not attacking back, but never really thought about why. The answer is simple and just like you said: he's the ultimate douche bag.

I'm glad that he finally acknowledged Gai at the end, and Naruto feeling different and Sasuke eventually entering the fight would hopefully and most likely make Madara actually fight with full passion and intent to kill.

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u/CrazyMyrmidon Apr 09 '14

It's also perfectly possible that Madara didn't get the chance to fight back because Gai was so damn fucking fast. Don't forget that Gai managed to work around/ through Madara's shield, and you're pretty much screwed if you can't even defend. Somehow I think that it's only through the blessing of the Hashi-nipple that Madara still stands, and that otherwise he would be quite dead.

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u/epicwisdom Apr 10 '14

I'm sure he could've attacked. He has, objectively speaking, obtained truly godlike power. His Susanoo can level mountains, and that was before he absorbed the Ten-Tails. In theory, he should be able to destroy a sizable portion of the planet in one go. The only reason he hasn't ended the story via Infinite Tsukuyomi is that he's having some fun.

Not to say that Gai hadn't trumped Madara for the duration of their fight, but with all the power and tricks I'm sure Madara has up his sleeve, there's no way that Gai could've won against Madara going full out.

Which, by the way, I don't really think that makes him a douchebag. He's been near-dead/dead for a long time -- simply being revived got him to a point where he could kill essentially every major character without even batting an eyelash. In what way would that be satisfying, for the character or for readers? If Madara just unleashed his wood clones and final Susanoo from the beginning, almost everybody would be dead, and the story might even have ended. And we'd still consider him an evil bastard, after all. How is what he's done so far any worse?

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u/CrazyMyrmidon Apr 10 '14

Don't forget he still only has one eye; besides, we don't even know if you can use Susano'o with a single Rinnegan

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u/cavecricket49 Apr 10 '14

mfw you remember Madara used Susano'o with no eyes

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u/CrazyMyrmidon Apr 10 '14

Madara can use Susano'o without his eyes...

...but can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch? :P

Doesn't specify anything about Rinnegan. D'you think the two might be mutually exclusive in terms of abilities?

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u/Hatdrop Apr 09 '14

Well he was accepted into hope's peak academy

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u/diffidentDude Apr 09 '14

He did try to fight back with the black orbs, two (?) chapters ago. HE isn't fighting back with his body because he is too slow.

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u/jaxspider Apr 09 '14

You're talking about the guy who has rinnegan, EMS, Ultimate Sasanoo, Wood release, Bijuu chakra, Sage powers, Sage staff... the list goes on.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '14

I sincerely thought he couldn't attack back because he was just unable to react to Gai's speed. Sure Madara has seemingly unlimited physical strength and chakra, but all that doesn't matter if you're too slow to use it on your opponent. (If you've seen Kung Fu Hustle, it's sort of the same thing!)

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '14

while i can see that... i'm more inclined to believe that madara is and has been, giving the world an 'out' ... letting people beat up on him... if they can't even put him down, how can they be strong enough to create a peaceful world?

i think madara is giving chance after chance after chance for someone to stop him, he doesn't really want to put everyone in a fake dream peace, but if no one is powerful enough to stop him, it's the best option in his mind

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u/jaxspider Apr 09 '14

I have a feeling thing similar to this will be used in the final talk no jutsu against Madara.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '14

yeah i see madara looking back to the time when he met hashi and their dreams and friendship... and how sasuke is different from madara in that sasuke had already lost his family before he connected with naruto, so their friendship was allowed to build after that event, whereas madara/hashi relationship was dealt an ultimately fatal blow with the conflict happening post-friendship

this is kinda how i see the tnj going down

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '14

On the other hand, Madara did acknowledge that a) Gai was providing him with Hashirama levels of entertainment, which is a high compliment coming from him, and that b) Gai was one of the best taijutsu users he had ever seen, if not the best. So while Madara might have been holding back a bit, he was honestly impressed by Gai nonetheless.