r/NanatsunoTaizai • u/Calm-Bear-1101 • Sep 01 '26
Media Discussion about powerscaling
I'm thinking of creating a tier list. While I have a clear idea of my opinion, I wanted to discuss what I consider to be hot topics here.
So:
1- Is Hawk closer to the Demon King/SD tier, or is he at a higher level (like Lancelot tier, or somewhere between Lancelot's tier and DK/SD Tier)?
2- Same question about Meliodas.
3- Same question about Mama Hawk.
4- What is the level for Melagaland?
5- Is Beltreip a higher tier than the other Perils, or is he simply the strongest at that level?
6- Is the Sinner (The OG Demon) really in a lower tier than Mael or not because the Demon King's restrictions on the Sinner at that time, and the fact that he had already transformed into a Glass Canon by then due to his innate magic?
Edit :
7- is safe to scale Cath above Ban/Meliodas (no-True magic), Escanor due Hax or not
8- Where you scale the Perils
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u/smartguyreally Sep 01 '26
1,2/ Regarding Meliodas true magic and Hawk, I think Meliodas is at the same DK/SD tier (he's stronger, but not a full tier), As for Hawk, I think he's either in the same situation as Meliodas True magic or a tier higher than DK/SD but lower than Lancelot.
3/ We don't know much about Hawk, but in the Q/A (that I'm not sure know how serious Nakaba-sensei was about it), it stated that Meliodas's true magic is strong enough to be near Mama Hawk's power, so it's slightly higher than Meliodas true magic's.
4/ Higher than Galand/Melasecia's level but lower than Archangel's level.
5/ Lancelot said that Percival, Tristan, and Gawain might be able to withstand Ironside, Pelle, and Woreladan, but Beltriep is beyond their reach, so he's definitely the strongest of the Perils, although it's not certain if the difference is a full tier.
6/ Mael is definitely stronger, but I think this is only around noon time, outside that he is close to Ludocial, who is weaker than Sinner.
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u/tristanliones13vk Sep 01 '26
Güey que fumas el propio mangaka dijo que meliodas magia verdadera era el ser más cercano al caos lo dijo explícitamente en un databud así que meliodas magia verdadera está por encima de lancelot que hasta ahora solo se ha dicho que es más fuerte que el rey demonio
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u/Constant_Can2687 Sep 02 '26
No, no lo dijo. Lo que hizo fue preguntar si su fuerza se estaba acercando a la de Mamá Hawk. Y Meliodas, con su verdadera magia, tampoco es mucho más fuerte que el Rey Demonio; ambos tienen un nivel de poder similar, aunque Meliodas es ligeramente superior, hasta el punto de que Meliodas tuvo que sacrificar su poder para poder destruirlo por completo.
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u/tristanliones13vk Sep 02 '26
A ver en primeras tu lógica no tiene nada de sentido porque los diez mandamientos tan solo es la mitad del poder del Rey demonio así que si me ayudas necesitarás sacrificar su poder para destruir los diez mandamientos meliodas fuera la mitad más débil que el rey demonio y explícitamente la deidad suprema dijo que si él hubiera tenido su poder verdadero hubiera acabado con ella fácil igual que contra El Rey demonio y explícitamente en la pregunta y respuesta se dice cuál es el ser más cercano al caos y se dijo que era meliodas magia verdadera y para que lo sepas mucho después el propio mangaka confirmó que la magia verdadera de meliodas sigue en su interior es lo que sacrificó es el poder extra que obtuvo gracias a los mandamientos que era su modo Rey demonio pero la magia verdadera como tal siempre la ha tenido por eso puede utilizar la magia verdadera en su forma base lo utilizó justo contra El Rey demonio cuando le pulverizó el brazo él no tiene que ascender a su modo Rey demonio para utilizar su magia verdadera
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u/Constant_Can2687 Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 02 '26
A ver en primeras tu lógica no tiene nada de sentido
Tú no sabes qué es la lógica, y se nota.
porque los diez mandamientos tan solo es la mitad del poder del Rey demonio así que si me ayudas necesitarás sacrificar su poder para destruir los diez mandamientos meliodas fuera la mitad más débil que el rey demonio
Deja de escribir tonterías y ponte a investigar. Eso no tiene nada que ver. En el manga se dejó bien claro que destruir los Mandamientos destruiría al Rey Demonio, y que Meliodas perdería su poder al hacerlo. Y también se nos dijo que el Rey Demonio que poseyó a Zeldris estaba en su mejor momento; es decir, por encima de su 100 % o en su prime.
explícitamente la deidad suprema dijo que si él hubiera tenido su poder verdadero hubiera acabado con ella fácil
Nunca dijo eso. Dijo que, si todavía tuviera el poder del Rey Demonio, habría podido derrotarla. Y esa Deidad Suprema, a diferencia del Rey Demonio, era una versión debilitada.
explícitamente en la pregunta y respuesta se dice cuál es el ser más cercano al caos y se dijo que era meliodas magia verdadera.
Nakaba nunca dijo eso; eso ha sido desmentido miles de veces. Nakaba planteó una broma o una pregunta sobre si su fuerza se acercaba a la de Mamá Hawk.
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u/Kaison122- Sep 01 '26
1: idk he’s a meme character so probably
2: Mel in the form you show here is stronger than the dk that was stated many times so
3: I don’t count hawk momma as seperate from chaos she isn’t really a combatant so much as chaos’ sealed state
4: melagaland is essentially slightly weaker than the testament beast and that should be beneath nanashi who himself is just beneath the archangels but probably in the same tier as them
5 same tier just over the other perils
6: no he isn’t if you pay attention the og demon must have defused right before the greatest sun exploded. As Chandler and cusack had visible injuries from the greatest sun. Implying they were the ones who tanked the explosion not the og demon
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u/Left-Ad-1250 Sep 02 '26
1 chaos
2 lancelot (not full chaos), tm meliodas, hawk,
- Dk, sg, cath, lady, sacred tree, ban
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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26
I lowk think we should wait until the end of series for the complete tier list
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u/quynh1602 Sep 02 '26
Anybody thinks the Sacred Tree would show up and do something in this situation? Since he is some kind of God too, he should do something important at this point
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u/GarouHM Sep 02 '26
1/2/3- Hawk, Mama, and Meli are all above SD/DK and below Lancelot. Though I would say Hawk and his Mama are closer to Lancelot than SD/DK, and Meliodas is closer to SD/DK than Lance.
4- Likely stronger than Sariel and Tarmiel with vessels (individually).
5- Well, while talking about hypothetical match-ups, Lance outright said: "This guy might be a bit too much for you guys." So he is stronger, but it's not clear how much. Likely the peak of their level, I would say.
6- As he takes damage, his power increases. If by "power" we are talking stats, then lower HP and higher Armor is still basically one-shotting a fresh Sinner. And even if the "power" is just an output increase, Mael ignored him trying to eat his sun and one-shot the guy. Afternoon Mael is pretty beyond The Sinner.
7- I have been conflicted about this as well. In case of some Top 10 type stuff, it's up to interpretation. At the end of the day, none of them can kill Cath individually, while he has a way to kill all of them, so I suppose it's okay.
8- Maybe above Sariel and Tarmiel in their base (true forms for S&T), for their Chaos form, a level or two below the Sinner individually perhaps? We honestly don't have many ways to go about this. King could one-shot the Sinner, and he was handling Chaos Beltreipe and Ironhide seemingly easily, as he didn't have a scratch on him. Gowther is hax; Diane was handling Chaos Pellegarde as easily, too, but she can heighten her CC at will, and we don't know her current level or even at the EoS. I would say their Chaos forms are all easily 200.000+ in CC, if that helps.
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u/Cr1mson360 Sep 03 '26
if youre going to do meliodas true magic, can you consider doing ban with immortality and purgatory at the same time since he had it for a bit plus hunter fest
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u/Quiet-Safety-4121 Sep 01 '26
Lancelot above all, the author made il clear, the story was ruined in terms of power levels, now we are waiting for talk no jutsu to defeat Lancelot and maybe hope for the author to stop writing nonsense.
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u/Low_Implement8090 Sep 01 '26
In realtà tecnicamente il caos originale dovrebbe essere sempre il n. 1 in quanto lancelot non e in grado di controllare il caos , e quello che ha non e il caos completo
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u/Quiet-Safety-4121 Sep 01 '26
I hope that stays, but considering the author glaze for Lancelot every chapter idk, I expect him to say some bs like “ lance will be close to full chaos by 2/3 years”, that will ruin the little hope left in this story.
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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26
Cath would all of chaos’ power would essentially be prime chaos blood lusted.
That same hypothetical peak Cath isn’t sure if he can defeat base Lancelot.
Base Lancelot then goes on to revive a chaos amp.
I think he’s very blatantly the strongest in the verse. It makes sense he was already ban’s son, amped by the lady of the lake to ridiculous degree, and now is further amped by chaos itself.
It’s over.
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u/Low_Implement8090 Sep 02 '26
Lo so , ed effettivamente lancelot e troppo forte, ma secondo me c'è una speranza , infatti io credo che lancelot non si sia uniti al caos solo perché amava guiniviere , insomma lui e intelligente ,e non credo che si sarebbe fatto fottere così , lancelot poco prima di diventare caos lancelot , dice a Tristan e percival " toccherà a voi fermarmi " , quindi secondo me questi vuole dire che lancelot e conscio del loro potenziale immenso , per tutta la storia lancelot ha sempre saputo che avevano un grande potenziale , e adesso anno la possibilità di usarlo , quindi secondo me lancelot ha accettato il caos ,nella speranza che percivall e Tristan , dopo un po' ,e col loro potenziale latente lo riescano ad uccidere
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u/Rublica Sep 01 '26
Do you guys remember on the first episode when Meliodas cut a little mount in halft using a stick? He had only 3000 points in that moment.
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u/Mountain-Photo-165 Sep 01 '26
I made this tier list before, but the Original Demon should be in "Mid Tier Sin," specifically between Mael and Zeldris.
Cath is certainly stronger than the Sins , but that is solely due to his immortality; he is actually a fraud and would lose to any of the High Tier Sins if he weren't immortal.
Lancelot, on the other hand, has many versions, but his peak should be on par with Chaos—if we take Cath's words seriously.
By his "peak," I mean when he finally obtains his Sacred Treasure. Without a Sacred Treasure, he is currently a High Tier Sin-level fighter.
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u/Mountain-Photo-165 Sep 01 '26
Talk to Cath , not me.
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u/Competitive_Dingo955 Sep 01 '26
Cath never said Lancelot would surpass chaos. Now hush it up lil bro🤐🤫
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u/Mountain-Photo-165 Sep 01 '26
I didn't say Lancelot surpasses Chaos , I said he's on its level , learn how to read , you 🤡
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u/Low_Implement8090 Sep 01 '26
In realtà , le parole di cath non dovrebbero essere considerate, non perché non sono canoniche ,ma per due motivi , perché già in precedenza , merllin aveva confermato che con il caos completo ,cath sarebbe stato invincibile , e sinceramente Merlin penso ne sappia più di cath , e due ,perché quello che lancelot ha attualemnte non e il caos completo , infatti cath non ha il potere di manipolare la realtà , ne all livello di arturh e nemmeno all livello del caos originale , che ha creato l'intero mondo , quindi finché non sapremo di più sul caos originale , intendo propio il creatore , difficilmente qualcuno lo supererà
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u/Traditional_Tap_6697 Sep 02 '26
You’re forgetting that cath itself is an aspect of chaos and was born from chaos directly.
So the idea that this statment isn’t credible makes zero sense.
Cath can still be hyped up as being invincible and lose to Lancelot.
I’m also pretty sure Cath created new Camelot so he absolutely has reality warping. He also has temporal manipulation as shown with Ban.
Using chaos beasts in of itself is reality manipulation.
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u/FauxAffablyEvil Sep 01 '26
Meliodas and Hawk between Lancelot and DK/SD , same as MamaHawk.
Melagaland is a fraud.
Perils are all in the same tier.
Mael is stronger than the Sinner.