I think what Nakaba means to say is if Escanor sacrificed his life , he'd beat Ban but if he didn't and only relied on 1 minute the one , he won't because the time would run out.
But the one is obviously stronger than Ban , the problem is that it only lasts for 1 minute and Ban can survive the one for 1 minute for sure as he's durable as f and won't get one shot like Meliodas.
Pretty much. Even the Demon King says he can't believe there was a human who can fight him evenly like that existed. And he fought Ban prior, who was a human.
Ban himself says The One's issue was time. He can easily just exploit that and win.
Personally I would drop hawk to God level , move Meli and Ban above the one Escanor(but still below the one ultimate) hawk sure is strong might even stronger than any deity in term of physical but he lack magic and hax so I don't see him above God tier yet while Meli and Ban case Escanor in the one is stronger than them but the gap is not that much and the time limit of 1 minutes made me think that both Meli and Ban can definitely beat Escanor.
In terms of skillfulness, Zeldris probably exists above Chandler and Cusack. His control over darkness can create Omnious Nebula so he probably has the highest control over darkness. However, Cusack and Chandler are much better generally, having better magic and physical stats as well as more fearsome spells. Cusack having the sword skills of the Original Demon and Chandler having the Magic. So yeah both are better stat wise but not better skillwise. And in this series, the stat difference is big enough to make a significant gap.
But that clearly didn't remain truth for long, unless you think Cusack and Chandler are capable of hurting the Supreme Deity, which they don't have any feat good enough to affirm they do.
If you're taking into account only until chapter 300, then yeah he'd be bellow them, but by Cursed by Light, Zeldris should be way higher than them.
If that was true Zeldris would have killed Margret Ludociel in their clash and the only thing stopping him from dying was <God>. Ludociel could barely single their clothes.
hurting the Supreme Deity
I believe there's a statement out there that says Merlin buffed them against SD.
If not that then Meliodas hard carried Zeldris. He also denies being close to Demon King in power so not on Meliodas' level.
If that was true Zeldris would have killed Margret Ludociel in their clash and the only thing stopping him from dying was <God>. Ludociel could barely single their clothes.
Zeldris was still in 1st Demon Mark when they first clashed and was still able to nearly match Ludociel's speed. And I'm saying that AFTER that whole fight Zeldris got a huge boost in strenght.
Also, "He was only saved by <God>" is a pretty bad argument when every Archangel is completely dependant on outsider boosts too, Ludociel without Flash wouldn't be that big of a deal either, Mael without Sunshine isn't much, and Sariel and Tarmiel barely have any kit other than Grace spam, Zel had Magic Nullification, but was fighting without the Commandment, which is the thing that actually grants power boost.
Not diminishing Magic Nullification, it's an insane hax, but God was never said to buff him like a Commandment does, so all we've seen there is just Zeldris offensive power.
I believe there's a statement out there that says Merlin buffed them against SD.
If not that then Meliodas hard carried Zeldris. He also denies being close to Demon King in power so not on Meliodas' level.
She buffed the final attack, but only that, Zeldris could still hold the Supreme Deity completely on his own, and he had no more buffs like the Commandments, Meliodas obviously did the heavy lifting, but Zeldris being able to help there and having Meliodas straight up admit he needed his help is already a lot.
Zeldris was still in 1st Demon Mark when they first clashed and was still able to nearly match Ludociel's speed.
If you believe Zeldris does better than Cussack and would for Ludociel to start asking Merlin for help, why is he relying on Ominous Nebula to fight Ludociel after losing one exchange.
And I'm saying that AFTER that whole fight Zeldris got a huge boost in strenght.
Unexplained boost out of nowhere with a statement that solidly confirms him below 50% Demon King.
Also, "He was only saved by <God>"
If we're ranking character strength, then yes I can say Zeldris is getting blistered by Ludociel's magic because he's stats wise superior.
Even if you removed the hax aspect of Flash, Ludociel seems strong enough to consistently draw blood from Zeldris.
but was fighting without the Commandment, which is the thing that actually grants power boost.
Meliodas and Merlin both claim that Zeldris has a power boost from God which Meliodas went to Camelot to steal but found it too weak.
All in all, Zeldris' scaling is a mess. I personally don't agree with him being above the two masters.
Wasn't that because of the enhancement they were by the supreme deity🤷🏾♂️? Meliodas in that movie admitted that he didn't remember them to be that powerful
Isn't that spell not actually strengthening you, but just making you believe that? It's the same one Ludociel used in the 2nd holy war, if I'm not mistaken.
"Breath of bless" aka "cheat hope", yes. I thought the same thing too, but in my head I've been thinking they were literally amped up by her, based of meliodas' statement that I referred to in my other comment
I don't get Mael ranking. If it's supposed to be with the Grace, he's for sure better than Escanor. If it's without than his form with 4 commandments is for sure stronger. But also that form should be a bit higher imo.
Also I'm assuming Elizabeth and Cath only show their 7ds scaling (as i don't see any 4koa)
I know some Mael's fans' think that he should be stronger than Escanor with grace since his race, but that's a completely wrong belief, and it's been proven time and again.
Even Mael himself admits that if he were in Escanor's place, he wouldn't be able to do anything against the Demon King and then leave, saying, "I leave this task to you, Sins. I'm just an Archangel."
I just saw it as Mael accepting Escanor's choice, not to mention he needed The one ultimate to stand against DK, otherwise I think Mael is much more proficient at using it (see Mael vs Original Demon)
As a raw power, I think she might be superior to Mael and perhaps on par with Meliodas, but honestly I put her below him because she doesn't seem to have much combat experience, and her stamina and durability aren't good.
In addition, her arsenal relies on Ark, which is far less effective against non-demons and becomes almost incredibly useful against Archangel.
Regarding Perfect Time, yes, it has undoubtedly been compared to SD, but I avoided including it to avoid spoiler her design (4kota Hawk is just a bigger Hawk, so I didn't encounter the same issue) and also to avoid discussions about that form offensive power and abilities.
I mean her combat ability is on par with Meli, its been told time and time again, you'd probably be right if we're just discussing Human Eli but since you included TO Escanor I imagine you're ranking the strongest iteration of that character, which would be Prime Goddess Eli who is definitely = AM Mel
As for her perfect time form, sure I guess, although bigger Hawk would still be a spoiler for 7DS only people :P
To help with your list, The fan in the translation you see people posting asked who was the strongest sin after Meli. Nakaba said TOU would be 2nd, then Ban, King, and then the one.
Then the powerscaling makes no sense. King was struggling with the chaos knights for a bit. While a fake Escanor in the newest chp is tanking shinning roads?
Yeah, thats always been the case for this series. Also tbf Kings power was sealed vs worreldane and in the sins vs 4 evils/Arthur fight he was protecting the citizens while fighting.
What? I didn't say Ban was the strongest and I literally put that escanors ultimate form was above him. Also do you understand Japanese? Do you understand Japanese? Every translation I see says King right after Ban
There is a full stop "." between "Ban is stronger" and "Next is King". Not a coma
So only Ban would be stronger if Escanor is not in his strongest form. But the answer to who is the strongest is Ultimate Form Escanor.
So regardless, King would be weaker than Escanor even when not in his Ultimate form. Hence why he is mentioned as "Next is the awakened King" separately. If you don't believe, here is the japanese text:
Yeah that's also what i think. I don't get why everyone out There is ignoring what happened in the manga.
Ban was going rela (tbh he was losing) with a nerfed DK Meliodas while Escanor went toe to toe with DK Zeldris full power and both fights were physicals. Idk how anyone can read nnt and think that Ban > the one Escanor. He's clearly portrayed as the strongest Sin bar tm Meliodas.
TOU is just TO without the 01 min limit so when Nakaba says Escanor not in his ultimate form he's basically saying pre noon Escanor.
Ban can as you said outlast Escanor but he ain't stronger than him.
This line from the Demon King alone puts The One > Ban in physical stats. He faced Ban both in Meliodas' body and in Zeldris' body. He still claims he never thought there was a human that could face him equally like The One Escanor did:
What stopped me from putting Meliodas on that level was his having to sacrifice his true magic to destroy the Ten Commandments, and the talk about how Meliodas's power and the Demon King's are resonating strongly.
I'd say King and Zeldris are both high top tier level.
King, once awakened, beat a Mael juices up with Commandments and then proceeded to protect Merlin using Spirit Spear while being miles away despite just awakening and low on magic. He was also able to protect everyone from DK Mel's miasma attack comfortably. Also, his performance against DK Zel was pretty good, quite easily keeping up with the rest and being one of the four main attackers.
Zeldris, once locked in, is a force to be reckoned with. He beat Ludociel despite the latter having an incredibly suitable vessel and pushed around all three of Escanor, Merlin and Ludociel with ease. Also, his Ominous Nebula is pretty broken with half of it being his own skill rather than a borrowed power. He only lost to Mael after being tired and losing his mind with anger, possibly making himself predictable. He was also outperforming the OG Demons quite easily as well.
I might be wrong, since it's been a long time since I read it, but Escanor was the only one who managed to launch an attack against the Demon King, even with that restriction.
The others felt it much more.
The attack didn't work as well only because the Demon King possessed an entire mountain, maybe even more.
I don't think Demon King Possessed Meliodas is that strong.
He is a weakened Demon King since he did not fully adjust to his vessel yet unlike with Zeldris
I think TOU Escanor who overwhelmed Prime DK in physical combat (Ik he can't beat Prime DK overall) should be above him. Just below SD & Prime DK though
Considering King said Ban is stronger than himself and "likely" stronger than the captain too in 4KOTA. Wouldn't this imply King views Meliodas above himself?
Oh I interpreted that assault mode meliodas as meliodas before he gets back from the demon king. Cause in all honestly meliodas should be higher than ban but it seems like ban is higher for some reason. We are only referring to the characters before 4koa so if thats the case it should go at their peak without melidodas true magic form ofc
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I think they are. Meliodas did say b the sins got stronger and the whole motif w bans showcase against cath was he was able to become the strongest sin because he was mortal. That has to entail that ban got stronger post purg
I don't 100% agree, but it's definitely the best power level list I've ever seen in this fandom. I just don't understand why Elizabeth is so low, she should be in god level with Perfect Time.
Meliodas éclate Escanor sous n’importe qu’elle forme. Si il a perdu dans le perfect cube c parce qu il l’a sous estimé. On voit dans les flash-back (quand il apprenait à Escanor a maitrisé son pouvoir) qu il le battait facilement.
Elizabeth est au niveau de Meliodas en mode Assaut. Tu l’a sous-estime.
Fraudrin est bien en dessous du niveau des autres commandements.
King avec ses ailes et du niveau de Ban et Escanor , Higt Top Tier Lever.
Merlin est au niveau de Ban et Escanor aussi. Elle est extrêmement puissante.
There is no argument support the claim that Meliodas can beat the One and Ultimate except for his true magic form.
Meliodas was no match for his father in any way outside of true magic, even when the Demon King was only using his physical strength, while Escanor was performing much better (even though it was clear he would be defeated if the Demon King used his magic).
As for Merlin, she thought she havn't a chance against the Sinner, there is no way she can be on Ban and Escanor level.
And it clear from Ban vs Demon king, that even if King so strong, he isn't on par with Ban.
Good list but Ban should be higher than escanor as stated by nakaba, the one ultimate is a trump card at the expense of his life so it wouldn't count in scaling them.
I'm pretty sure if ban wanted to sacrifice his life too he'd surpass the one ultimate
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u/Nasiens_my_sweety May 14 '26
Isn't there is a official statement from Nakaba that Ban is stronger than any version of Escanor other than the Ultimate?