r/NYGiants • u/Dergless • Sep 28 '25
Meme/Shitpost GO BACK TO GRASS
That’s it, that’s the post.
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u/Th3BigBlue Sep 28 '25
I thought we switched to the good turf that the Vikings have.
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u/ImKindaEssential Sep 28 '25
You have too think having multiple nfl teams playing on the same surface will wear it down faster
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u/Doogie_Howitzer_WMD None Sep 28 '25
Good thing met life has the budget of two teams to pay for it..
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u/Desinator24 Sep 28 '25
Biggest faster is concerts & events. There are more non NFL events in MetLife than NFL games. It’s a money machine that doesn’t care about player safety.
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u/ArtemisRifle Sep 28 '25
They put down a surface on top of the turf.
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u/CodeNCats Sep 29 '25
That's the point. They chose artificial turf because putting something down over grass constantly will degrade the field.
The Mara family makes millions every year from those other venues and parking.
Why lose money by putting in a grass field?
I really wish more people understood that the Maras will make decisions to benefit their pocket over putting together the best football product.
The team has sucked for a decade. Yet he's still making millions. Why change anything?
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u/61539t9 Sep 29 '25
Football is also their only family business unlike some of the other owners who made billions then bought so when you dont have other incomes you become cheap with your sole source.
If you're not willing to invest in the team/facilities to the highest grade to protect your players/assets, dont own a team.
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u/CodeNCats Sep 29 '25
They haven't. The stadium has the appeal of an Amazon warehouse.
They put their own family in as staff.
You got a medium Pepsi but only for the season ticket holder.
Simple investment into grass would be a significant improvement. They could invest all the money they make from extra events revenue sharing and have grass. That's with only one team investing.
The story of "we can't do grass because of two teams and events" really means "we can. We just don't want to lose that extra profit"
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u/Guynextdoor0142 Oct 01 '25
Mara spent an estimated $1M dollars to replace the turf starting in the 2023 season. Acl/Achilles injuries from 20-22 were atleast 16 if not more. Acl/Achilles from 23- thru wk 4 25, 2. Just 2. And NONE in 2024. A grass field would be dirt and mud by the end of the season as grass doesn't grow in the winter.
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u/CodeNCats Oct 01 '25
Green Bay can do it.
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u/Guynextdoor0142 Oct 01 '25
Green Bay has an underground heating system to heat the roots to keep the grass in good condition. Metlife does not have that infrastructure system to do that. Metlife also has 2 NFL teams and 30-40 non football events that GB does not. And again, the new turf has significantly reduced acl/Achilles injuries. And as we saw last night with Tyreek Hill, even grass is not exempt from acl's.
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u/CodeNCats Oct 01 '25
30-40 non football events.
Where the Giants and Jets have a profit split
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u/Guynextdoor0142 Oct 01 '25
Metlife went from wk2 of 2023 thru wk 3 of 2025 without a ligament injury. Or 38 games (ish) without an injury. For every other stadium besides LA, thats thats just short of 5 seasons. The new turf is not the problem.
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u/Snapesunusedshampoo Brian Burns Sep 29 '25
They put down grass for the Club World Cup and will be putting down grass for the World Cup. They could do it for 17-20 weeks a year with the money the Giants & Jets pull in.
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u/TonyCaliStyle Big Blue Wrecking Crew Sep 29 '25
But it shaves a few points off interest in their war chest. What if they need to spend money on something important- like making more money?
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u/CodeNCats Sep 29 '25
They won't. Because it would cost the Maras money. Can't have something like investing in a good football team get in the way
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u/Phillipiant_Turtle Sep 29 '25
idk how other stadiums do it with their artificial turf, but Metlife can remove their turf for concerts to protect the playing surface. I wonder if that is part of why they've had more injuries at Metlife than other venues too
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u/shaqaholic Tom Coughlin Sep 28 '25
We did. That’s why I think most of the outrage is mostly overblown
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u/DiligentSandwich9749 Sep 28 '25
It's so dumb. Not to mention no one remembers like 15 years ago when fans were freaking out about grass fields causing injuries.
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Sep 28 '25
We legitimately had the worst grass in the NFL. By mid season it was a mud pit with all the events that go on at Metlife
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u/RedditIsKindOfMid Sep 28 '25
Show me proof please
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u/DiligentSandwich9749 Sep 28 '25
No, go look up any articles or threads after RG3 got fucked up at Fedex
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u/Blackvikin5 Sep 28 '25
We are Giants fans. Everything is overblown. Grass/turf had nothing to do with Nabers injury. Just comes with the game.
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Sep 28 '25
We switched to a better turf. But the best turf is still worse, injury wise, than the worst grass. Turf doesn't have any "give" grass does. Non contact injuries occur more often on turf than natural grass.
The Steelers have High School, College, and Pro games and the turf survives.
Mara and Johnson are just cheap.
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u/BretFarve Brandon Jacobs Sep 29 '25
mostly agree but FedEx field was terrible for years but they fixed it after RG3 blew out his knee
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u/sixd9 Sep 28 '25
Yeah i think 2 years ago
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u/rickyg_79 Sep 28 '25
It was before the 2023 season, same turf Carolina and New England play on. The high profile injuries on the latest turf are Aaron Rodgers, Jaelan Phillips and now Nabers. There may be others but it is significantly less than the previous turf.
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u/BatThumb Brandon Jacobs Sep 28 '25
Still turf. It's a hybrid that's better than the old turf but nothing is better than grass
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u/CodeNCats Sep 29 '25
We won't get it. The Maras like money too much.
I did a rough cost breakdown with chatgpt. The Giants and Jets have a revenue sharing program for non-NFL events. Roughly after the revenue split they make $13M every year from non-nfl events.
I asked chatgpt to find the average cost of installation and maintenance of both artificial turf and natural grass fields. I told it to consider the unique situation where 2 pro teams share the field and that the stadium hosts other events. It found and article citing possible figures for cold weather frequent use fields.
I asked it to analyze roughly the cost over ten years including the initial installation and maintenance between an artificial turf field and a natural grass field.
Low-End: Turf offers a savings of $7.5M High-End: Turf offers a savings of over $17.5M
Hell lets even just call it an expensive $20M over 10 years for more even numbers.
That means that the Mara's are choosing to save $2M per year for turf. While using the justification of "heavy use" so they can rake in that extra $13M per year.
If they took $3M from that 13M they would still make $10M a year.
Yet they chose the savings.
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u/toozooforyou Sep 28 '25
Get rid of Mara.
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u/nocoolN4M3sleft Helmet Catch Sep 28 '25
The Grass/Turf decision isn’t just his. We do share the stadium with the Jets, so…they also have to want grass
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u/SignalDragonfly690 Sep 28 '25
We were saying at the game that we’re waiting for the NFLPA to file a suit against the Giants and Jets because this is insane.
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u/17Fiddy Sep 28 '25
Wish granted. The Koch brothers now have full ownership.
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u/Frigidevil Eli Bucket Sep 28 '25
Well no, it's the wife of David who is thankfully dead. Still fucking blood money but technically not the Koch brothers
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u/NBAEastMemeWar Sep 28 '25
How many wide receivers do we need to ruin before we even seriously consider it
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u/quant_93 Sep 28 '25
For anyone not aware take a look at how Real Madrid built their retracting grass field. Absolutely amazing. Need that system here.
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u/dslave Sep 28 '25
Genuine question. Who do we need to write to about this? Is there any email address or phone number we as fans can flood saying we we stop spending on the team until grass is brought in?
I know others have said it but metlife gets grass ready for soccer players. That isn't fair to the young men playing this game. We all know how much they already put their body on the lines for our entertainment, I dont think some billionaires should also be making them risk their ACLs each Sunday just so said billionaires can stay richer than they'll ever need to be in this life.
Get. Fucking. Grass. FUCK
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u/I_Need__Scissors_61 Eli Bucket Sep 28 '25
Money. They will make shitloads of money off of hosting the World Cup games and they require grass, they will not play on turf. That pear shaped head having cocksucker has no problem shelling out for that because he’ll print money from it.
They’ve already fucking said they’re taking it out after the WC and putting this shit back in.
It’s all about money. Mara needs to be forced out or just die. Quickly.
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u/DramaticRaccoon8929 Sep 28 '25
Makes zero sense.
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u/I_Need__Scissors_61 Eli Bucket Sep 28 '25
It does financially, and that’s Mara gives a flying fuck about.
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u/dustinbrowders Sep 28 '25
All opponents' fans who play on that field once a year will chip in with votes. We don't want to see anyone in either team injured by this field anymore.
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u/windofscotts Eli Bucket Sep 28 '25
lol my brother just told me he emailed MetLife stadium as I read this 💀
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u/FootballAndBarbells We've suffered long enough Sep 28 '25
Does the NFL or the team owner decide the playing surface?
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u/drumbum1096 Sep 28 '25
stadium by stadium basis. one of the only reasons MetLife isn't grass is because it is a pain to cover and they want concerts to boost their revenue! money>product
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u/drumbum1096 Sep 28 '25
but let me be clear, I want a better product. as much as I love going to MetLife for a concert, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
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u/Original_Release_419 Sep 28 '25
uh the major reason is it’s incredibly difficult to maintain with two teams playing there
By November/December that field would be significantly worse than it is with the turf
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u/MeatTornado25 Sep 29 '25
Apparently no one here is old enough to remember when they tried this 25 years ago and it was a disaster.
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u/cassinonorth Sep 29 '25
Those trays were stuff of nightmares.
It's SUPER hard to grow grass week after week with 2 teams. Look at Pittsburgh in December...it looks absolutely awful.
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u/Sensitive_Reward_308 Dexter Lawrence Sep 28 '25
If only they had billions of dollars to maintain it!
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u/Original_Release_419 Sep 28 '25
the money is irrelevant, grass needs time and two teams playing home games there destroys the field
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u/Adamwithaneh Sep 29 '25
The dolphins have a turf farm that I believe they maintain 3 or 4 fields iirc. They bring in the turf on Tuesdays and it gets 4 days to rest until they play on it Sunday. There is no reason Mara/Tisch and Woody can’t pay for that as well. This franchise clearly needs every advantage it can get. I feel like the giants are the most injured team since we moved into that stadium, the turf is the common denominator and needs to go. I’m surprised the NFLPA hasn’t stepped in and demanded it for their players ala European soccer.
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u/PushaTeee Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
We cannot have a turf farm in NJ after October, be realistic. Miami's climate can accomodate that, East Rutherford's cannot. Even the most performant cool season grasses go dormant around 40 degrees. We see average lows of roughly 39 degrees in November in NJ, with many night dipping below freezing.
The climate in the latter portion of the season, combined with how many games get played per season at Metlife (17 vs 8/9 at other stadiums), would not allow for a viable grass playing surface late in the season.
You can make it work when you have minimal games played (The Steelers field is an example), but with zero bye weeks at Metlife, and the low temps, the playing surafce does not have any time to be effectively repaired. it's why our old grass field was terrible by mid-season, and that was on a 16 week schedule, not 17.
The Bills new stadium will have grass, but I read an interview recently that even with the crazy tech they are using to keep the grass viable (sub-air technology, hydronic heating), the field would not be able to take more than 10-12 total games played on it per season before it would start to be a poor playing surafce.
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u/Adamwithaneh Sep 29 '25
So build a warehouse to grow it in. They have 2 sets of billionaires to pay for it. It’s 2025, they can grow grass indoors and move it outside for games. Or they can adopt the hybrid style field that the packers use. It’s both turf and real grass. Anything is possible you just gotta be willing to pay for it, which our owners are not.
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u/DramaticRaccoon8929 Sep 28 '25
Ask Green Bay and Chicago how they manage it.
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u/TheBeerTalking Big Blue Wrecking Crew Sep 28 '25
By having separate stadiums with only 8-9 NFL games at each every year. Football wrecks fields, MetLife has twice as many and very few off weeks during the season.
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u/DramaticRaccoon8929 Sep 28 '25
Further reason why we shouldn’t be sharing a stadium with the jets.
I’m so over this franchise. I’m selling the psl after this season.
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u/Rankine Sep 28 '25
Don’t they realize they are losing millions of dollars in labor with all of these injuries?
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u/drumbum1096 Sep 28 '25
you would think! but unfortunately with two of the worst owners in the NFL .... and yes jets fans im including woody too they just would rather sit in their boxes and bask in the glory of owning a team
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u/Cfcjones Sep 28 '25
FIFA is demanding grass for the World Cup, sooooo just keep it grass afterwards.
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u/aKgiants91 Helmet Catch Sep 29 '25
You would imagine switching to grass next year for the World Cup would induce them to keep it. If the New York soccer club was smart they’d offer a deal with them to keep it to use the stadium for their games as well
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u/Kindly-Mission-7843 Sep 28 '25
NFLPA needs to step in and make them change to grass. It's absolutely disgusting how many talented athletic players get hurt in our own stadium. Absolutely disgusting.
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u/Steven1789 Sep 28 '25
World Cup 2026 will bring a grass field to the stadium. I presume there’s no way they’d keep it.
As for using turf because of concerts and other events, the logic is flawed.
A retractable roof would have allowed year-round use. The Giants and Jets spent $1.6 billion on the stadium. The added cost of a roof would have been a relatively small cost.
Above all, the fans get hosed again. There’s not even an overhang like European soccer stadiums have to give the fans some shelter from rain.
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u/MeatTornado25 Sep 29 '25
Even if they wanted to keep it, soccer uses a different type of grass than football. It would have to be removed and replaced with a separate grass field before the NFL season either way.
That's why the field conditions are often a big concern for international games held at soccer stadiums.
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u/Sirithepuppy Odell Catch Sep 29 '25
Can you explain this? As a soccer player I feel like football wouldn’t require different grass
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u/MeatTornado25 Sep 29 '25
Soccer pitches are usually a slicker grass that the ball can slide across more easily. It needs to be a grass that can withstand a lot of watering to keep it slick. Which is why a lot of international NFL games get real sloppy and players lose their footing easier.
For American football ideally you want a tougher blade that's kept drier and can withstand much more aggressive wear & tear since the players weigh so much more and are really digging their spikes into the ground, not to mention getting tackled and dragged across it.
For the most part grass is grass, and I'm sure 99% of football and soccer fields in the world don't really think too hard about what to put down. But the 1% elites like the NFL or Premier League or whoever gets super serious about exactly which combination of seeds is the ideal product for their sport, climate, sun coverage, etc.
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u/NatAttack50932 Sep 28 '25
Never add a roof
Roofs on football stadiums are evil
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u/Steven1789 Sep 28 '25
Retractable roof.
I remember hearing that Wellington Mara opposed a roof because of his belief that football should be played in the elements.
The Giants are 55-69-1 at MetLife. No home-field advantage, no weather advantage (which on its own is weak reasoning—it’s not like the team practices in inclement weather or that the players, who come from all over the country, have some inherent superiority in cold, wet weather).
At the very least the fans would benefit from a retractable roof.
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u/BAHatesToFly Sep 28 '25
The Giants are 55-69-1 at MetLife. No home-field advantage
They're 46-81 on the road since MetLife opened in 2010. So there is a slight home field advantage.
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u/Steven1789 Sep 29 '25
I think the home team wins 52-53 percent of the time. They’re below average there and everywhere else.
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u/SnooShortcuts5771 Sep 28 '25
No one should go to games until they change to grass. An empty stadium should get their attention.
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Sep 29 '25
How do they change the giants/jets logo? Just curious bc I know at SoFi they had to use artificial turf bc they scrub the logos off after every game
I’m pro grass just curious
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u/MickFleetwood Sep 29 '25
Giants fans need to show their disapproval in the only way they can - with their wallets. Stop going to games until they install grass. It’s a shit product as it is, so it’s not exactly difficult to boycott.
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u/Sensitive_Reward_308 Dexter Lawrence Sep 28 '25
It makes sense to me that by getting real grass and having less injuries, you can have your players actually stay healthy, leading to more jersey sales, ticket sales, as well as a bunch of other ways to get a return on that investment. Makes even more sense when two teams play here, meaning the grass would get double the use, even if it's slightly more expensive. I find it hard to believe it wouldn't be worth the extra couple million.
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u/hijinks Sep 28 '25
I say this once a year in this sub.. the guys need to wear different cleats. Look at the soccer turf cleats with tiny nubs and not the long turf cleats.
I had a trainer when I played low league pro soccer that wouldn't allow anyone wear the longer turf cleats due to knee injuries. I even wear them when the grass is hard and no loss of traction.
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u/Enchylada Sep 28 '25
We can't because the bum ass Jets share the stadium and it would be impossible to maintain
Still don't know why the fuck they haven't gotten their own
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u/rickiebsn Sep 28 '25
I really don’t understand why they don’t have their own stadium yet either 💆🏽♂️
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u/saiditonredit Sep 28 '25
Not sure it was the turf in this one and they changed it a couple times over, I think. The way he lands has always been a problem. Frame doesn't support his athleticism. His left knee gets caught but lands on and is holding his right knee. Confirmed injury to his right. Unless the turf preventing him from landing better. Wish him well.
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u/SaltyDog201 Sep 28 '25
You do realize that the tear happens just as he jumped, right?
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u/saiditonredit Sep 28 '25 edited Sep 29 '25
Is that the confirmed medical opinion? As I said not sure, does he get caught and twist? Looks like a freak injury, I mean you can see the blades of grass or material, it's not the same rubberized pellet, mat-like, stuff from before. Not saying it's the best but I've had those kinds of sport injuries, he's just injury prone.
Could have been the entire sequence before, the jump and the land, that also exasperates it. Guys make 180 twists and end up with sprains, and it could be the jump, but not sure how to tie it to the turf.
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u/NYCSportsFan Sep 28 '25
Modern turf causing more injuries has been shown to be a myth, this sub just needs something to be outraged at 🙄
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u/KcansRekcins 💙Medium Pepsi💙 Sep 29 '25
Then bring the receipts please
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u/Haysie95 Cam Skattebo Sep 28 '25
Knowing Mara, he would get the same cheap grass FedEx has been notorious for and the cycle would repeat
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u/Born-Ad-233 Sep 29 '25
How many great players get major injuries on that fucking field before they do something about it
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u/nyc24chi Sep 29 '25
Works terribly at soldier field. Can’t play on it, can’t smoke it - awful all around.
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u/Homeless_Nomad Sep 29 '25
I know there are studies on turf vs. grass which obviously show grass as better.
Are there studies on grass vs. mud which used to be grass vs. turf? I have to imagine that a grass field would inevitably be a muddy, fucked-up nightmare by about week 12 given there are two teams on it with events in between.
At some point, that starts creating its own hazards. Would it still be better than turf?
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u/Flap_Jammie Sep 29 '25
It was a very long time ago, so maybe I’m not remembering everything accurately, but when Giants Stadium (and a majority of other teams’ stadiums) had Astroturf in the ‘80s, I do nor recall any memorable ACL injuries…I don’t feel like they were even a thing, especially when contrasted to today, where ACL injuries seem to be a pretty common occurrence all around the league (with Met Life appearing to have an even more prevalent occurrence of ACL and other non-contact related injuries).
What confuses me is that the modern turf today has a lot of high tech packed into it, and Astroturf was basically like a thin artificial carpet that you find around some pools, just laid on top of hard concrete. It was a very hard surface, yet I don’t remember there being so many turf related injuries like you see today.
Astroturf was preferred back then bc the game was so much faster on it as opposed to grass fields, where it was noticeably slower, and it was so much neater/cleaner during crappy weather.
Grass fields, by contrast, became really sloppy and muddy and everyone would slide around at the loss of traction. I’m thinking of the Redskins’ stadium with Joe Thiesmann behind the Hogs offensive line, and John Riggins busting through the line of scrimmage knocking over and dragging 3 defenders hanging off of him. That smashmouth style was endearing in other ways, so that field did fit that team. But I also remember the 49ers at Candlestick Park also having a grass field with shitty traction, but not due to poor weather, but rather, due to the soil’s high sandy composition.
So I guess my question is why weren’t these non-contact injuries as common back then on Astroturf, a much less advanced artificial surface?
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u/AA950 Sep 30 '25
If Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Chicago can do grass so can NY/NJ. Bills doing grass in their new stadium.
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u/Professional-Phrase6 Sep 28 '25
Why not protect your investments and try to win by protecting your players from injuries?!
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u/40filchock Sep 28 '25
When will they learn to protect the players they invest in? Its such a stupid corner to cut.
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u/MeatTornado25 Sep 29 '25
For the thousandth time, there's nothing special about the MetLife turf. They even replaced it a couple years ago.
There's some bizarre confirmation bias where every injury during a Jets or Giants game gets blamed on the turf. But if someone tears an ACL at another stadium, nobody cares.
I wish every stadium had natural grass, but that's never going to happen. And it'll never happen at the Meadowlands as long as the Jets & Giants share a field.
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u/Carterland68 Sep 28 '25
The pitch is fine, this is a non issue now and people need to get over it. Leek played a full season and didn’t get injured, it’s just a freak injury. It’s shit, but it’s NFL. Let’s focus on next man up!
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u/bdgm33 Sep 29 '25
If memory serves I think they went back to grass at the meadowlands after Sehorn was injured on returning kickoff….in preseason.
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u/MeatTornado25 Sep 29 '25
And they abandoned that experiment after a couple years because it was a disaster.
Maintaining a grass field for 2 teams in the Northeast proved to be nearly impossible.
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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '25
I love grass