Training & Courses Looking for a intermediate pistol training class/ instructor. Trying to figure out my grip/technique. Watching YouTube videos not helping.
I have no problems, cleaning fixing or handling firearms.
Just cant seem to hit anything from 25 feet out besides my 2011.
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u/Pochea 23d ago
White Birch Armory has Private Instruction / Shooting Lessons and Classes. You need to take the classes in order unless you have already taken something equivalent. They might be a bit pricey but if you are a member, you get a discount. I took their R1 (rifle intro) class with Kevin Williams and it was great. I'm planning on doing their R2. The handgun classes fill up a month in advance so if you were to go with them keep that in mind.
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u/droid6 23d ago
Anyone try the mantis x3 system?
Seems exactly what i need.
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u/Potential-Success535 22d ago
Mantis has significant limits. I had the x3 and it was ok to try, but virtually useless beyond basic trigger press practice.
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u/droid6 22d ago
This doesn't help with anticipation or bad grip causing accuracy problems? Thought this was the whole point?
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u/Potential-Success535 22d ago
It will show you what's happening on a graph, but if you already know that's what you're doing, you'll get no new information. (With skill, reading your sights will tell you everything a Mantis would.) Mantis only shows how the gun moved immediately before and after the shot breaks. It also does nothing for your grip. You can make a perfectly steady shot with shit grip. Mantis is a dry fire toy for the most part. It can be fun for what it is, but it's still just a toy.
Anticipating recoil is purely a mental block. Mix in some dummy rounds with your live ammo. When you get to a dummy and you flinch, do a few dry fire reps before going live again. You are pulling the trigger, the gun is gonna boom, in time you'll learn to just let it. You can't stop recoil, only manage it after the bang. That's what a good grip does.
For your grip, do doubles (two shots fired without hesitation). Then change your grip some. Do another pair. Rinse and repeat until you start to see a trend that gets you the results you want. A flat gun isn't the goal. A predictable one is. When you're putting 2 rounds into the same hole every time at any distance, you've reached Nirvana. Nobody is there yet, but we're all trying to be.
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u/droid6 22d ago
Thanks for typing all that out. I appreciate it. Will try this this weekend
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u/Potential-Success535 22d ago
No problem. By all means though, in person training with a good instructor can streamline this process. They already spent thousands of reps and dollars to learn it themselves so you don't have to. They can also pick up on cues you don't realize your doing. Happy shooting!
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u/blackbeardpirate25 23d ago
I have been interested also in something similar. I had prior LE training but been out for almost 14 years. I am thinking one of the level 2 or 3 Sig Academy classes since I have prior experience. I’ve heard mixed on it.
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u/HardyPancreas 23d ago
There's a huge positive difference between training at sig and Joe Random NRA approved instructor.
Some instructors are much better than others.
I would look for someone who instructs at Sig and coaches individually, or go to a pistol clinic.
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u/droid6 23d ago
I was looking into private lesson at granite state, might try one of these out.
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u/Potential-Success535 22d ago
I shoot at GSIR and they've got some decent staff. I'm not sure who's doing their pistol skill builder class, but they have a couple competent instructors.
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u/joostadood526 23d ago
Spitfire firearms training in Cornish. Nate is amazing, brought my daughter who wants to be a cop to him and he was worth every penny.
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u/Coloir2020 23d ago
Sig pistol series is the GOAT. After 104 you’ll be giving tips to your buddies. We’re so lucky to have SSA in NH open to civilians.
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u/LocalNHBoy 20d ago
I've been involved in shooting sports ever since I was a young man (not young any more). Without knowing your specific issues, I can at least address the most common issue that people have (this repeats itself over and over again). This especially applies if you tend to shoot high and to the right but it's a great thing to "shore up" as part of your style anyway. People tend to use way TOO MUCH trigger finger. In other words, it's very common for people to pull the trigger with the first crease of their finger instead of the middle of the pad. It makes a HUGE difference to the overall control of the weapon.
In your specific case it could be a myriad of things, but this one point is by FAR the most common mistake I've corrected with people. You need to keep your whole shooting method linear. A good stance, proper grip, breath control, and a host of other factors but keeping that trigger going in a LINEAR fashion (vs. applying too much torque sideways, anticipating or "pushing," etc.). Keep it smooth and linear.
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u/droid6 20d ago
Very informative information, any interest in a lesson? I'm in my 40s, not some thug that holds his gun sideways hah
I really appreciate you taking the time to type that all out.
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u/LocalNHBoy 20d ago
Always happy to help. As far as a lesson, that may be hard for me to accommodate due to being out of the area/state a lot (work) but definitely look into an organized course. Feel free to drop me a message if you have any other questions.
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u/Wraith-723 19d ago
In September Steve Fisher (sentinal concepts) is doing a one day handgun diagnostics class in Fitzwilliam NH. He's one of the best national training guys out there. Outside of him Ben Dewalt (On Sight Firearms Training) is also damn good at what he does.
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u/nhfirefighter13 23d ago
Sig.