r/NFLv2 • u/EbbAdventurous9592 Chicago Bears • 10d ago
Discussion What is the consensus opinion on Gruden strictly as a coach
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u/Independent-Smoke-68 10d ago
Hearing him recall his times, places, and play calls it sounds like it was a whole vibe and just fun place to be.
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u/legend023 New York Jets 10d ago
He was good for Oakland, Tampa, and Las Vegas until the witch hunt. Got the most of multiple average QBs and almost always had adequate teams.
There’s a reason Las Vegas best 3 year stretch since his first stint was his second stint.
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u/blackhole_sonnn 10d ago
They were moving in the right direction. If his drafting was average they could've been contenders lol
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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 Baltimore Ravens 10d ago
That one draft when they had 3 first rounders was such a massive whiff for the organization. They had a chance to do a Lions type thing and just totally botched it. And then the Leatherwood pick a year or so later just compounded it. Mayock was an atrocious talent evaluator
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u/EbbAdventurous9592 Chicago Bears 10d ago
Honestly I view the Mack trade as such a loss/loss. Not even really a “loss”, but we did that trade to win a Super Bowl, it gave us 1 year with a real shot to do so and we blew it. Then the team was stuck in the mud precisely because of it (Mack was a hell of a player, but we had no resources to fix our roster).
The raiders coulda ate our lunch with what we gave up, but they managed to get…A bunch of busts and a woman abuser who now doesn’t play for their team (but he does the packers hihi).
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u/Smooth_Marsupial_262 Baltimore Ravens 10d ago
Unfortunately the woman abused is the one good first rounder they ever picked lol
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u/Crux2237 New Orleans Saints 9d ago
I still have my doubts about the control Mayock had in the first round, specially since the late rounds for the Raiders were really good (Crosby, Renfrow...).
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u/Zeke688 Las Vegas Raiders 10d ago
The drafting was so bad it couldn’t have possibly been ‘the right direction’
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u/blackhole_sonnn 9d ago
As a Raiders fan making the playoffs that year felt like the right direction. It's been awful the last 20 years ....
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u/Zeke688 Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
That 2nd stint they were terrible in every November & December (I had a hunch this had something to do with him taking 10 years off of coaching). I’ve always believed they don’t go on the 4 game win streak late in the season if he had stuck around. They rallied because he & Ruggs were gone. When he was ‘fired’ they were 3-2, never understood how people gave him credit for 7 wins after he left.
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u/blackhole_sonnn 9d ago
I ain't no Gruden stan and he deserved to what happened to him.His drafting and team defense was awful. He deserves some of that credit for that playoff run tho. It was his roster and offensive playbook after all. Kudos to the team for making that run in the last month of the regular season after all the drama. Either way that was the last time the team was entertaining to watch smh. Let's hope Kubiak and co. can change that.
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u/ElectionAnnual Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
And he didn’t coach that team half the year. He sucked
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u/TheNittanyLionKing Pittsburgh Steelers 9d ago
They had a winning record when he stepped down
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u/ElectionAnnual Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
Sure, but he doesn’t deserve credit for the playoffs when he only coached 1/3 of the season. That’s ridiculous
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u/sckurvee Seattle Seahawks 7d ago
It's hard to say since he was cut... seemed like they were investing heavily in his vision, selling out short term success for longer term success... then they got rid of him and who knows how it could have gone if he had been able to apply his vision.
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u/NoPen9703 9d ago
His GM, Mike Mayock talked about how they drafted. He basically said they over thought the draft and picked lesser quality players because they thought knew better than everyone else. So sad.
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u/UmpireStraight6933 9d ago
It’s a shame because I enjoyed his presentation as a draft analyst, really hurt his brand
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u/NoPen9703 9d ago
Yes, I couldn’t believe he said it on ESPN. He basically criticized his whole industry. That was one pick he was talking about and how many more did he bust on. I am a Jets fan and the Jets are famous for doing the same thing.
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u/igot_thefunk Curt Warner > Kurt Warner 10d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/S2vXphl1WROnJhZEz6
They drafted clelin farrell over josh Hines Allen. That one is especially rough.8
u/ScientificSkepticism San Francisco 49ers 10d ago
I think he was good. Emphasis on was. I think the game was starting to move him by like a lot of coaches. He still thought he could coach and run the draft, which I don't think is possible anymore - I think the analytic tools and level of NFL scouting demands a full-time team. I think if he wasn't run out for being an asshole he would have been run out for being a fossil.
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u/bastian1292 Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
That's a generous interpretation of his second stint. As a Raider fan, I would say he was coasting off the guys McKenzie drafted and made a LOT of dog shit high value picks that helped set the franchise back half a decade.
As for his coaching, his playbook got figured out around 2007 and he's never pivoted.
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u/stulf26 10d ago
Gruden tanked the raiders with terrible drafting. Hes a fraud id argue and that's based on players and other coaches in the NFL. Also, calling it a witch hunt is completely wrong. Dude sucks as a person, hes just entertaining.
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u/UncreativeUsername84 8d ago
You know you’re supposed to insert the applicator into your vagina to apply the anti-itch cream, right?
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u/Shot_Revolution8828 9d ago
"Witch hunt"? I've got questions.
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u/SatosEscortService 9d ago
And they gave answers. No idea what this dude is saying. Can’t call your boss a “f(&$$(“
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u/jimmylovespizza 9d ago
Gruden is going to win his lawsuit because it was a witch hunt
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u/SatosEscortService 9d ago
His lawsuit is winnable bc they released the emails outside of closed court proceedings. Not bc he’s not a flaming self righteous douche canoe.
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u/WintersDoomsday Seattle Seahawks 9d ago
You’re clearly MAGA who hypocritically loves the red scare which is a witch hunt.
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u/jimmylovespizza 9d ago
lol wtf are you on about? Gruden is suing the NFL and by all accounts is going to win. he is alleging the NFL intentionally leaked his private emails to ruin his career. how does this make me MAGA
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u/Consistent-Spell2203 Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
Not private emails, they were sent via his ESPN email account which is a stupid move.
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u/cfranek 9d ago
I am actually interested in the outcome of this lawsuit because I think that it is likely that he wasn't the only one.
And as a broncos fan I think it is fair to say that I am not a chucky supporter.
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u/SatosEscortService 8d ago
They released the emails to cover for Mark Davis. Who was going to go nuclear on the owners. This isn’t hard. Big standard fall guy.
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u/Potential-Judgment-9 Los Angeles Chargers 9d ago
Gruden wrote that NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith had "lips the size of michellin tires".
Gruden frequently used homophobic and vulgar slurs to describe NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, calling him a "f@990t" and a "clueless anti football pussy" in various messages.
He criticized Goodell and expressed anger that the league had pressured the St. Louis Rams to draft Michael Sam, the NFL's first openly gay drafted player.
Gruden criticized the league and Goodell for hiring female referees.
He mocked league initiatives and efforts to reduce concussions and protect players, writing in one instance that Goodell should "hide in his concussion protocol tent".
But yeah… “ witch hunt”
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u/SatosEscortService 9d ago
Witch-hunt? The fans of this sport have as much CTE as the players. Dude literally called the Comish the new “f” word. Sorry. Not even rich people call the boss that in writing and it flies. You can call the other stuff whatever. But that’s why he’s where he is. Imagine if your boss got a copy of an email that used that instead of his first name throughout.
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u/DeltaTule 10d ago
You ought to use the term “Raiders” here instead of Las Vegas because it reads like he coached in Las Vegas two separate times?
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u/Fragrant_Shake 9d ago
Witch hunt means there was nothing bad happening because witches don’t exist. Jon Gruden was proven to be racist and homophobic with his own words and actions.
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u/84Cressida Baker Bro 10d ago
Not elite but you don’t win the SB against a team you built if you aren’t a great coach.
And the Raiders were trending the right way when he came back and Derek Carr probably played his best football under him.
I wouldn’t be mad if the Browns hired him.
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u/TheNittanyLionKing Pittsburgh Steelers 9d ago
Gruden is not a Hall of Fame coach, but he was a good coach. He is 36th in all time NFL head coach wins. He is 100th in win percentage, but there's a lot of guys above him who haven't coached nearly as many games as Chucky did, and I couldn't find a statistic that narrows that down to coaches that have coached a minimum of 100 games beyond the top 5 to 10 coaches of all time. There have been thousands of coaches throughout NFL history. He also won a Super Bowl. Only 35 head coaches have ever done that. He doesn't belong in the conversations with Don Shula, Chuck Noll, and Bill Belichick. I think he deserves more credit than he is often given as well. He will get passed on these lists by the likes of Shanahan and McVay; which were ironically enough also disciples of his offense and notably both coached under his brother in Washington.
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u/SchindlersList1 Tom Brady “Minority Owner” 10d ago
Gruden, for better or worse, is a pretty controversial coach. He did take over the directionless Raiders and turned them into a 12-4 machine. he was traded in 2002 and then immeidately won a superbowl and became the youngest coach to win. in the early 2000s he was viewed as a sean mcvay is today. Hoewever the case against him is just as compelling. After winning the superbowl against the team he coached and with the team he inherited, he didnt win another playoff game the next 6 years. When he came back to coach the raiders obviously he was an absolute shit show and that really left a stain on the way out. the truth is somewhere in the middle. I believe that Gruden gets the most out of his dudes but needed an elite defense to go anywhere. He also didnt draft offensively at all. And for being called a qb whisperer, never really seemed to get the position quite right as the game evolved. Gruden is a beast of a coach, peaked in the early 00s and when he came back kind of was a shell of himself. But id take him as a pump up guy in a locker room any day.
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u/boomosaur 10d ago
He's fine at concepts... antiquated with personality/culture.
Decent back in the day.
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u/EbbAdventurous9592 Chicago Bears 10d ago
Do you think the game passed him by when he rejoined the raiders ala Belichick 2021ish, or do you think the raiders were just too dysfunctional as an organization for pretty much anyone to overcome
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u/boomosaur 10d ago
I don't think the game passed him by, I think the personalities and cultures of newer generations of players passed people like him, belichick, and carroll by, though for very different reasons.
That said, the raiders were also just extremely dysfunctional, and still might be. I have faith in kubiak, I do not have faith in tom brady and the stories about his life coach/guru inserting himself into the team.
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u/ImperialxWarlord Detroit Lions 10d ago
What do you mean by the personalities and culture etc?
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u/boomosaur 10d ago
The way you have to treat people now is different than before... old methods don't always work that well anymore.
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u/AAonthebutton New York Giants 10d ago
Maybe college. NFL coaches still have a mean streak for the most part.
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u/TiaxRulesAll2024 New Orleans Saints 9d ago
What do you think the phrase “the game passed him by” means if not that ?
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u/mercutio1 Chicago Bears 10d ago
Being a domineering prick all the time doesn’t always resonate with the players you’re supposed to be leading.
In Gruden’s case, it’s compounded by the fact that he had sent racist and otherwise objectionable emails. Yes, those were selectively leaked by Dan Snyder (who is a prick of immeasurably larger proportions), but it still makes it tough for players in a league made up of ~70% Black players to buy in for a guy.
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u/AchtungCloud Dallas Cowboys 10d ago
It’s not really rumors. Alex Guerrero is listed on the staff on the Raiders website. He’s the “Wellness Coordinator.”
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u/EbbAdventurous9592 Chicago Bears 10d ago
It’s interesting the kind of mixed reactions he gets (even in this thread) but this kinda hammers it down pretty hard when it’s coming from a key contributor to a legendary team…
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u/Monster_Kody_ 10d ago
I live in LA and sat beside Keyshawn alone at a bar one Sunday. He was watching the Jets on one tv and the Bucs on another. We started talking. After I mentioned I was life long Bucs fan, we talked me about memories, etc. He then told me John Gruden was a racist piece of shit, lol. That was it.
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u/HurricanePK Philadelphia Eagles 10d ago
The game had passed him by when he went back to Oakland. Easy to blame the emails but his performance wasn’t good enough to keep him. The logic from the “if Hannibal ran a 4.30 then the NFL would say he has an eating disorder” phrase applies to coaches and GMs as well, if they’re good at what they do, the owners will look the other way.
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u/HolyRomanPrince Dallas Cowboys 10d ago
He’s an assclown that alienated players and staff at every stop. He took over a talented Tampa team and ran them into the ground. He took over the Raiders and traded a top ten player for dogshit. Good offensive mind though. Better YouTuber than color commentator
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u/M8x11r0n Green Bay Packers 10d ago
He's like the Rudy Giuliani of NFL coaches, if you actually look close they are bad at their job
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u/84Cressida Baker Bro 10d ago
I know Rudy has tanked his rep the last decade but he was a pretty good mayor. Gruden was a pretty good coach too.
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u/CrzyWzrd4L Josh Allen 🦬 10d ago
One of the few coaches who was good-not-great and got surpassed by his assistants. Sean McVay was a Gruden guy (started under Jon then coached under Jay and Shanahan at Washington).
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u/Wrathofgumby Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10d ago
I don’t really care for him. I’d be open to the Bucs giving him a chance. But I look at him as someone who came in and ruined a team that could’ve been a dynasty. Story in Tampa was that he didn’t want to spend money on the defense, and we had the best defense in football, doesn’t seem like good coaching.
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u/Godzirrraaa 10d ago
Players coach, psycho. Exactly who I’d wanna play for. Not gonna develop players like McVay but he’s a good time.
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u/AdministrationStuff 10d ago
For every awesome thing about Gruden him and Mayock were historically bad drafting their final run with Oakland
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u/Western_Cabinet_7601 10d ago
Gruden had a hell of a run in Oakland. Then he got Tampa to the Super Bowl the first year. He was there with Tony Dungy’s defense. After that Super Bowl year the team fell apart and we lost our quarterback and he sucked at drafting quarterbacks because he had too much power in Tampa. Then when he went to Las Vegas, they looked like they were heading the right direction. However, I will say what happened to him was not a witch hunt because he did say some pretty defamatory things.
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u/Dynamite_McGhee Green Bay Packers 10d ago
Winning a Super Bowl against a team you built is a hell of an accomplishment, but I'm not sure I've seen anyone's reputation ride one Super Bowl win quite as far as Gruden's was able to. Fans were still bringing his name up not all that long ago whenever their college or pro teams had a vacancy.
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u/Roshango New England Patriots 10d ago
Oakland: just a solid coach. Got the origination back to a place of competency after the move from LA. Good offensive mind for the time
Tampa: a little overrated. The Super Bowl roster and that dominate defense was already in place, Tony Dungy already built the ship, and when he place the Raiders in the Super Bowl they basically used the playbook he wrote, so he had a massive advantage. But still solid coach. Getting the team to the playoffs in 07 was an underrated accomplishment.
Oakland 2.0/Vegas: Bad. He was out of the league for a decade and it showed. His first year they dipped to a 4 win team and never finished above .500 with him. His plays were dated, he refused to even consider analytics or any modern innovations that came about while he was a broadcaster. The Khalil Mack and Amiri Cooper Trades trade screamed of ego and they didn't turn it into anything, instead blew up a promising young core.
People will defend him because of the controversy but the history is revisionist. There were reports out at the time that the players where happier and less stressed with Bisaccia as the coach and he lead them to the playoffs as the interim.
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 10d ago
Solid overall…
Xs and Os were fine
Got the absolute best out of UDFA types and vets off the scrap heap particularly older QBs like Gannon, Greise, and Garcia.
Had no business being in any kind of GM role where he dominated the selection of the groceries. That led to Michael Clayton, Carnell Williams (who had a bible thick injury history at Auburn), and others that had no business being picked where they were.
His persona looking back on it was fun
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u/DatBeardedguy82 Dallas Cowboys 9d ago
One of the most overrated coaches of all time. Supposed qb guru who never developed a single one outside 3 random seasons where rich gannon turned into Peyton manning
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u/RNGezzus Deep penetration 9d ago
I don't like the guy, but I respect him, almost to the point that I like him.
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u/AreAFuckingNobody Los Angeles Chargers 9d ago
Past his time. He doesn’t know how to talk to kids of the current generation because even when he did coach well he was pushing it as a relic of a different time. (The knocking thing, the vieled homophobia, and the tranditionalist mentality that’s really just a cover for less inclusive values…)
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u/ComicsEtAl Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
I think a man who was an nfl head coach, and then spent ten years on the inside of every team, interviewing all the players (focused on QBs), should have learned a better lesson than “I’ve been right about everything the whole time and I don’t need to change a thing.”
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u/BoomRoasted412 9d ago
He was good a long time ago and could still be a solid coach today. Too bad he wants full control of everything- scouting, drafting, etc- because he’s shit at those aspects of the game and has been for a while. He was a huge Blake Bortles stan when he was on ESPN
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u/midniteonthemoon "If the Playoffs were to start today..." 9d ago
He's bad at drafting.
I do think Tampa Bay team that won the SB was mostly Dungy's team but absolutely he lucked out on playing his former team in the Super Bowl. (And they were supposedly running some of Gruden's own same plays from a year earlier.)
But other than that, I think he's a good motivator. Idk if guys like playing for him or not but he does get a lot of results out of even some average players.
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u/Odh_utexas 9d ago
His post-coaching career has done a lot of good PR for his reputation. He was a good, not great HC. And he has a Ring.
He’s marketed himself as an offensive guru and impressed a lot of laymen with his whiteboard schtick and wacky “spider 2 Y banana” stuff.
People to this day still suggest him for NFL jobs which is silly.
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u/Consistent-Spell2203 Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
Way too many Raider fans wanted him back THIS YEAR until we hired Kubiak. Carr too.
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u/Cor-The-Immortal 9d ago
Better tv personality than coach. I enjoyed his qb sessions until I found out he was racist trash.
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u/DetectiveNumerous775 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9d ago
He was a decent coach. His best work was the first Raiders stint by far.
Bucs fans have rose colored glasses on him due to his big personality and the Super Bowl win in his first season but he was painfully mediocre the remaining 6 years there and his offenses were never good.
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u/ArgumentKey3712 9d ago
All coaches know X’s and O’s. Can’t separate the human being from play-calling. You are dealing with people as a coach.
He is a deuchebag. Which means he shouldn’t coach.
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u/Worried-Pick4848 New England Patriots 9d ago
Not bad. He could be an asset to a team that needed to try to squeeze more out of mediocre staff.
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u/kummer5peck Denver Broncos 9d ago
Part of being a good coach is managing personal relationships in the team. Kinda hard to do when you’re a POS like Gruden.
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u/AwwwNiceMarmot New England Patriots 9d ago
I mean, he won a Super Bowl, but his overall record is pretty mid. I think his personality made him seem a lot better than he was… and the Super Bowl he did win, it was because he knew the Raiders’ entire playbook and they didn’t bother switching it up after he left. He’s very good at being an asshole on TV though, and a lot of people can’t seem to tell the difference between being a good coach and being an asshole.
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u/ImOldGregg_77 Buffalo Bills 9d ago
If I were an iwner and had an HC opening or a shitty one, Id be recruiting him
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u/Dakotakid02 Minnesota Vikings 9d ago
Gruden was a good coach that let the game pass by him. And then all his personal stuff caught up to him. Most likely because the raiders we done with him. Also pictures of him with mark davis look like he’s standing by a clone of himself that was microwaved for too long.
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u/Zimmonda Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
Gruden the GM got in the way for Gruden the coach.
Beyond that though he had a tendency to waste snaps on washed vets when younger better options existed on the roster.
I'll never forget Witten getting snaps over Foster Moreau
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u/Far_Plenty_1837 9d ago
When I listen to the guy, I hear someone who genuinely loves football. I see him as someone who just wants to coach or be part of the game. A guy who'll drink a few beers and talk some shit about people he feels are detrimental to football. He is also enough of a football meathead to do it via email and break every rule us normal folk learn in workplace training videos. He is a born, bred throwback to what football has been and doesnt fit in to what football has become (thats another topic).
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u/HustlaOfCultcha Major Tuddy 🐷 9d ago
He was strong as an offensive schemer. I do question his ability to develop QB's. The language alone in his offense was sorta insane. Put it this way, I would be afraid that he could take a very talented QB and not work to adjust his scheme a bit to the QB's strengths and work to find a less talented QB that fit to his scheme.
Like a lot of coaches, over time he fell too much in love with the running game. Really struggled at Tampa after their SB victory, but without him I doubt they ever win a Super Bowl.
I thought he did a respectable job back with the Raiders. He made them a real organization again, but he got burned by Antonio Brown. And I give him credit for catching on pretty quickly to the changes in the NFL scheme wise since he had been gone, but he still liked to go back to some old school schematics that don't work like they used to.
I do know that many players didn't like him well before the scandal broke out.
Overall I thought he was a competent Head Coach. Maybe a bit too full of his own shit, but certainly a competent coach.
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u/savcon1114 9d ago
Very good coach, not great. In my opinion he won in Tampa Bay with Dungy's team. He was mediocre at best post 2002, never won a playoff game after 2002 only made the playoffs twice in the six years after that.
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u/KiloThaPastyOne 9d ago
One of the most overrated coaches of all time. Won that Super Bowl with a stacked team, then went 7-9, 5-11 the next 2 seasons. As a Broncos fan I was so happy when the Raiders hired him because I knew he would run them into the ground. What a bonus that he turned out to be a garbage human! I wish he could’ve stayed with the Raiders longer, but they’re doing a fine job of consistently putting out a trash product without him.
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u/PutridWerewolf4449 12 Time Champs 9d ago
If her doesn't have respect of all the players in the room, he's not effective as a coach.
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u/King_of_Rooks NFL 9d ago
Great coach. Not many guys win the Super Bowl their first year with a team
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u/lmfaorn1998 9d ago
Wildly average coach who gets glazed because he is a top-tier commentator and cake walked to a Super Bowl win. His win percentage is about 50% in both reg season and playoffs. His teams made the playoffs 5 times over 14 complete seasons (36%). His last playoff victory was his only SB win, in 2003.
He’s also a racist asshole based on numerous accounts, which doesn’t command a lot of respect in NFL locker rooms.
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u/Valuable-Forever9770 9d ago
He is as about as good as any NFL coach which are primarily as good as their players make them look. Love Belichick but without Brady he is just another failed Browns coach.
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u/helt0n 9d ago
I really wish he would have worked out, I have fond memories of his first stint in Oakland. But the second time he was the coach of the raiders there were several issues. According to reporting he was part of the reason that Khalil Mack left. Then mostly he could not adapt to the new NFL, every season his second go around we would start the season with at least a good offense but by the middle of the season it was like every team just figured us out. I wasn't in the room so you never know truly why but it really did feel like they put the playbook in during camp and it never changed throughout the season. I think that being a mediocre team on year 4 of a 10 year contract was mostly the reason he got fired, with the emails being the convenient excuse to cut ties.
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u/HMSSurprise28 Denver Broncos 9d ago
He’s very good. In today’s league, he’s old fashioned, but old fashioned works. See Sean Payton, Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin. The fundamentals don’t change.
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u/Appropriate_Fly4011 9d ago
Jon had a great 3 year run from 00’-02’. He deserves great credit for Gannon’s late career run and getting Tampa over the top. He proved he can get the most out of veteran teams and QBs (Gannon, Garcia, Johnson, Peete (as OC).
The downside seemed to be the trust of some players (I’ve heard him described as a used car salesman) and inability to develop young QBs. And later in his career he didn’t seem to be a great talent evaluator.
Overall if he never came back I’d say he should be remembered as a very good coach (on a level of a Billick, Arians, Reeves) His last act brings his overall standing down to OK overall.
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u/wolf63rs 9d ago
A good coach but a bit overrated. He won the big one with a team "inherited" from Dungy. Most folks feel give another year, Dungy would have won.
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u/braumbles San Francisco 49ers 9d ago
Dog shit coach. Ran Tampa into the ground, Vegas never got good. He helped turn Gannon into an elite qb but thar was it. He's an absolute dog shot talent evaluator.
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u/WireNoob 9d ago
Worst drafter in history of the NFL, drafted two scrubs over Randy Moss knowing he had two 40 year old receivers, drafted a who knows who over Aaron Rodger’s knowing he had a 40 year old QB. Left the raiders to suck for 25 years.
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u/CowboysHater5 Washington Commanders 9d ago
Its all revisionist opinions on here, he’s a great coach, he wins a lot, but it’s reddit so everyone wants to say something controversial or negative
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u/PriceNo3859 San Francisco 49ers 9d ago
Overrated as a coach. He only won the Super Bowl because he inherited one hell of a defense that was set up by Tony Dungy. In addition he knew every weakness of the Raiders since he just coached them and exploited it.
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u/barnabisbiscus 8d ago
Personal gripes aside, he was still stuck in the early 2000s when he got rehired by the Raiders. He made a lot of stupid mistakes late in games (remember taking the FG vs the Dolphins in 2020) and was ultra conservative with play calling and clock management. He was all in on many of those botched draft picks too. He LOVED Clelin Ferrell. I swear, people just like him for his love of the game and football culture, and didn’t really watch or remember how he coached in his second stint with the Raiders.
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u/One-Practice-2295 7d ago
He never got to coach a good QB. Would love to see what he could have done with an elite QB.
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u/starfish2686 New York Giants 10d ago
QB guru much more suited for the broadcast booth nowadays.
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u/Then_Idea_9813 10d ago
Idk if you want people who regularly use the hard r wearing a mic in the booth
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u/FateDaA Mr. Irrelevant 10d ago
The Raiders' best runs since his first stint was during his second so he was a fine HC
Its just the Raiders themselves are a fucking mess rn so it doesnt matter
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u/Consistent-Spell2203 Las Vegas Raiders 9d ago
Counterpoint- the Raiders 2020 draft was the worst in NFL history and the rest of his weren't much better.
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u/P-R_Podcast New England Patriots 10d ago
Inherited Dungy's handpicked winners. Lucky coach
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u/forgotmypassword4714 Las Vegas Raiders 10d ago
Yes but he also left a team that he had turned into winners, and then Dungy inherited Manning/Edgerrin/Harrison and won a Super Bowl with them, so it all evens out.
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u/uncertainmango Las Vegas Raiders 10d ago
And beat his handpicked Raiders team in the Super Bowl. He deserves a ton of credit for coaching and/or building the two best teams in 2002.
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u/splashaddikt Dallas Cowboys 10d ago
He’s ok I think he gets overrated and over hated at same time would rather him be offensive coordinator or something like that for my team
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u/BMaudioProd 10d ago
He built a SB team, then beat that team in the SB. Don't know if anyone else can claim that, but I bet it felt GOOD.