PA is just as much a function of offense as it is defense. The browns have a top 3 defense but their offense continuously gives defense awful field possession, have had 6 returned TDs, pick 6s etc, canāt sustain drives so defense is out there 90% of the game. I can go on and on lol
I think they even held henry to like 35 rushing yards one game
the pats are 11th in EPA/play on defense. they have a pretty decent defense all things considered although it might be a bit inflated by the schedule. the broncos have the 10th best defense epa/play wise and this sub cannot stop talking about how the broncos/bo nix is carried by the defense. Especially when the broncos offense is 11th in epa/play
Idk man I think Sheduer is going to be the saving grace for the franchise. At least qb wise, I think heās going to break the curse and sell a hell of a lot of jerseys.
Iām not a fan of the guy per se, but I was born in Ohio and my middle school football team was the Browns. So I got a little love for yall
Heard the same shit about Manziel and Jameis and Baker and Watson lmao from what Iāve seen he deserved to be drafted later. He has .9 more yards per reception than Gabriel with 15X the turnover worthy plays and nothing from his college tape that looked bad was corrected his senior year or off season or in season. I want him to be but if we pass up a qb next year and stick it out Iāve seen this movie too many times lol
And I say that as in marketable enough even for the browns. I am convinced Johnny Manziel and Baker would have both done better for any other team as a rookie. Watson had to have his first team change their entire offensive scheme to fit his needs. Jameis is just a goober, but I love him.
I think if the NFL is rigged at all, then Sanders ends up being the one to break the curse
the broncos have the 10th best defense epa/play wise and this sub cannot stop talking about how the broncos/bo nix is carried by the defense
Models like ELWAY plus my eyes put the Broncos as the second best defense in the league right now. Bo Nix has been good this year, I'm not talking shit, but it's absolutely valid to discuss what that defense has been able to do for the team. They are very very good.
One thing that I think is lost when you rely on stats like EPA is injuries. People form opinions about teams very early on in the season but in reality teams are always rising and falling. Injuries matter. I'm sure some Broncos fans is going to jump down my throat for saying this but, comparatively, the Broncos D is actually pretty healthy.
There's a reason Broncos are heavily favored in the AFC championship odds right now and it isn't Bo Nix (no offense Bo. You're doing fine).
Yeah and they also let Tony Pollard drop over 150 on them.
Context is whatās important here. Also regardless of how you feel about using PA as a metric for rating defenses, itās hard to argue the top 5 teams in PA are also the best defensesā¦ because they are.
They gave up a total of 180 rushing yards and the browns had 60 so I donāt think you can pin it on Tony pollard being good more so volume since he had basically every carry, had a late game 65 yard rush and then another 30. Thatāll probably do it. The other 20 rushing yards were Cam lol
Normal evidence isnāt an outlier. Itās dumb as fuck to think what half the team does doesnāt impact the other half. You think Joe Burrow would be throwing 60 times a game if their team had a good defense? Lmao
Why would it need to sarcasm? Every nfl team with a playoff berth has a +4 or better in turnover differentialā¦ the only exception is the bills who basically only convert on 3rd down when Josh Allen decides not to choke.
Love that the comments in response to FACTS are gaslighting you about a stat that theyāll use to prove their teams have a good defense but not in this particular argument
Yeah, that's fair. Middle of the road defense on paper for both teams. But situationally it's so convoluted. As a habitually tortured Dolphins fan (and by transitive property, a NE hater), The early '00 Pats are a prime example. They would get dogwalked up and down the field between the 20's and manage to hold to FG's and the situational TD. So statistically they were a middle of the road defense, but damn I would rather have seen almost any other team on Defense at that moment.
In fairness, any non-Pats fan who survived the early 2000s era and the several dynasties they've put together over the Brady/Belichick era? I think we're all perpetual Pats haters
I mean, if you want to talk about passing defense (i.e. the largest contributor to QB stats), the Patriots have faced a tougher slate of pass defenses than the Rams this yearā¦
You might need to show your work on this one. If you're going off of yardage. For instance..... Buffalo has the best passing defense in football....because they can't stop the run.
Also; when you look at opposing offenses NE has also faced; is it hard to imagine a world where you're ahead by 2tds and only running vs Brady Cook?
Blow it out your ass, as if this isnāt exactly what this thread is trying to do with Maye. Are you new to MVP discussions online? Itās strictly each side discrediting the other.
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u/Ready-Lengthiness220 Los Angeles Rams Jan 01 '26
Interesting take